When I wrote my Eichmann in Jerusalem one of my main intentions was to destroy the legend of the greatness of evil, of the demonic force, to take away from people the admiration they have for the great evildoers like Richard III.
I found in Brecht the following remark:
The great political criminals must be exposed and exposed especially to laughter. They are not great political criminals, but people who permitted great political crimes, which is something entirely different. The failure of his enterprises does not indicate that Hitler was an idiot.
Now, that Hitler was an idiot was of course a prejudice of the whole opposition to Hitler prior to his seizure of power and therefore a great many books tried then to justify him and to make him a great man. So, Brecht says, “The fact that he failed did not indicate that Hitler was an idiot and the extent of his enterprises does not make him a great man.” It is neither the one nor the other: this whole category of greatness has no application.
“If the ruling classes,” he goes on, “permit a small crook to become a great crook, he is not entitled to a privileged position in our view of history. That is, the fact that he becomes a great crook and that what he does has great consequences does not add to his stature.” And generally speaking he then says in these very abrupt remarks: “One may say that tragedy deals with the sufferings of mankind in a less serious way than comedy.” This of course is a shocking statement; I think that at the same time it is entirely true. What is really necessary is, if you want to keep your integrity under these circumstances, then you can do it only if you remember your old way of looking at such things and say: “No matter what he does and if he killed ten million people, he is still a clown.”
This is a great article from Vulture regarding what some comedians think the role of comedy should play in the Trump days ahead.
At the same time, comedians are struggling to balance the cartoonishly comedic character that is Trump with the gravity of the political situation ushered in by his victory. We reached out to a slew of comedians — from stalwarts who have been performing since the Reagan administration to up-and-comers who started during the Obama years — to see how they were feeling about comedy in the age of President Trump and what they think comedy’s role will be during a Trump presidency.
At the first sign of a dangerous question, agents from the Secret Service’s new Emotional Protection Division swiftly remove President Trump from the potentially ego-threatening situation.
February 8, 2017
WASHINGTON—In an effort to respond to the vast and ever-changing dangers faced by the nation’s commander-in-chief, Secret Service administrators announced Wednesday the creation of an Emotional Protection Division to safeguard President Donald Trump’s psyche [....]
For the past few days Chris Mathews has expressed concern that judges are entering into the sphere of policy. Mathews feels that the President gets to make the call on National Security, Mathews is probably true. If Trump crafts a policy that is not ethnically biased, he will probably prevail ( from the standpoint of a non-lawyer). My problem with Mathews is that he seems to suggest that whatever the President does in terms of national security is OK.Mathews has Alan Dershowitz on to give legal advice on how to make proper law. I suspect that he realizes Trump watches cable TV and hopes to get his ear. Chris Mathews seems a bit unhinged on the issue. He seems to have forgotten that a willing press let another President use national security to get us into an unnecessary war. I appreciate the others get to review what Trump proposes.Lives may depend on such reviews.
Comedians may be more capable of challenging Trump's policies than the journalists.
Comedians may be more capable of challenging Trump's policies than the journalists.
I've felt that to be the case since the inauguration. Along with ridicule en masse from amateurs in social media like Twitter. (Twitter especially because he himself believes in its power.) To date, I've seen nothing to change my mind, rather, it seems more of a sure thing. The MSM feel safer to challenge after the comics soften up the culture first.
Furthermore, I see serious earnest protests as risking being counterproductive. If they include humor, like many signs in the Women's March, they can be more successful, because a larger group will feel comfortable participating. Seriousness in protest would just reinforce in him that he's an important force to be dealt with. Ridicule is key with a narcissist (and with trolls), Getting a rise out of you reinforces their beliefs.
(Comes to mind Fox news et. al. has played this for a long time as regards liberal protest, the "oh but think of the children" thing. It works to marginalize, no narcissist needed.)
Matthews if he wants to get his serious attention would have to do more like Graydon Carter. Carter is a real thorn in Trump's side, it's because of the sarcastic approach. He can't retort as well with that.
Edit to add: that comedy can affect political change is not pie in the sky, there are ample historical examples. It has been exceptionally effective with king-type figures, with "pompous asses." Ain't a fluke that ultra conservative Muslims can be riled to riot by a cartoon ridiculing the prophet. (Or that Salman Rushdie had a death fatwa against him for what was bascially a literary caricature.) Remember all the arguments about the importance of freedom of speech with that caricature? Someone like Trump with power is why we need to preserve the ability for cartoonists to do such things. Humor is a very powerful political tool.
But seriously, AA, when does it stop being funny? I've wondered about that when watching SNL of late - they're doing a good job but even they seem to be struggling to walk the line between making fun of the administration and acknowledging that there are serious issues behind the laughs. The last depiction of Conway as a totally evil nutjob is an example. When does scary in real life stop being funny on TV?
Comments
Not exactly comedy as we know it ... but is anything anymore?
by barefooted on Thu, 02/02/2017 - 12:13am
Not joking either: Garry Wills: What we have in Donald Trump is a seventy-year-old Kookie Kookson,
by artappraiser on Thu, 02/02/2017 - 3:41am
Deadly serious:
Hannah Arendt from New York Review of Books October 26, 1978 issue: Hannah Arendt made the comments that follow in 1974 during an interview with the French writer Roger Errera.
Excerpt on her infamous opinions regarding "Evil"
by artappraiser on Thu, 02/02/2017 - 3:56am
pure genius Melissa McCarthy last night, gone viral already:
by artappraiser on Sun, 02/05/2017 - 11:52am
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/08/2017 - 4:43pm
This is a great article from Vulture regarding what some comedians think the role of comedy should play in the Trump days ahead.
by barefooted on Wed, 02/08/2017 - 5:20pm
I enjoyed this a lot, thanks.
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/10/2017 - 6:27pm
The above wasn't just idle gossip, she really badly wants to play Bannon:
http://wgntv.com/2017/02/10/rosie-odonnell-debuts-new-steve-bannon-inspired-twitter-profile-pic/
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/10/2017 - 6:17pm
Secret Service Adds Emotional Protection Division To Safeguard Trump’s Psyche
At the first sign of a dangerous question, agents from the Secret Service’s new Emotional Protection Division swiftly remove President Trump from the potentially ego-threatening situation.
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/10/2017 - 5:41am
And just for harmless fun -
by barefooted on Fri, 02/10/2017 - 11:38am
For the past few days Chris Mathews has expressed concern that judges are entering into the sphere of policy. Mathews feels that the President gets to make the call on National Security, Mathews is probably true. If Trump crafts a policy that is not ethnically biased, he will probably prevail ( from the standpoint of a non-lawyer). My problem with Mathews is that he seems to suggest that whatever the President does in terms of national security is OK.Mathews has Alan Dershowitz on to give legal advice on how to make proper law. I suspect that he realizes Trump watches cable TV and hopes to get his ear. Chris Mathews seems a bit unhinged on the issue. He seems to have forgotten that a willing press let another President use national security to get us into an unnecessary war. I appreciate the others get to review what Trump proposes.Lives may depend on such reviews.
Comedians may be more capable of challenging Trump's policies than the journalists.
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 02/10/2017 - 12:16pm
Comedians may be more capable of challenging Trump's policies than the journalists.
I've felt that to be the case since the inauguration. Along with ridicule en masse from amateurs in social media like Twitter. (Twitter especially because he himself believes in its power.) To date, I've seen nothing to change my mind, rather, it seems more of a sure thing. The MSM feel safer to challenge after the comics soften up the culture first.
Furthermore, I see serious earnest protests as risking being counterproductive. If they include humor, like many signs in the Women's March, they can be more successful, because a larger group will feel comfortable participating. Seriousness in protest would just reinforce in him that he's an important force to be dealt with. Ridicule is key with a narcissist (and with trolls), Getting a rise out of you reinforces their beliefs.
(Comes to mind Fox news et. al. has played this for a long time as regards liberal protest, the "oh but think of the children" thing. It works to marginalize, no narcissist needed.)
Matthews if he wants to get his serious attention would have to do more like Graydon Carter. Carter is a real thorn in Trump's side, it's because of the sarcastic approach. He can't retort as well with that.
Edit to add: that comedy can affect political change is not pie in the sky, there are ample historical examples. It has been exceptionally effective with king-type figures, with "pompous asses." Ain't a fluke that ultra conservative Muslims can be riled to riot by a cartoon ridiculing the prophet. (Or that Salman Rushdie had a death fatwa against him for what was bascially a literary caricature.) Remember all the arguments about the importance of freedom of speech with that caricature? Someone like Trump with power is why we need to preserve the ability for cartoonists to do such things. Humor is a very powerful political tool.
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/10/2017 - 6:55pm
Humor is a very powerful political tool.
Well, at least Trump hasn't tried this tactic - yet.
by barefooted on Fri, 02/10/2017 - 7:31pm
Is a Job at the White House Right for You?
FEB. 11, 2017
There’s only one way to find out: Apply!
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/02/11/opinion/12opart.html
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/11/2017 - 4:01pm
Genius Browser Extension Turns Donald Trump’s Tweets Into Childish Scribbles
“The Daily Show” is making his tweets “eight again.”
by artappraiser on Thu, 02/16/2017 - 11:18pm
reminded me of this:
by artappraiser on Thu, 02/16/2017 - 11:26pm
But seriously, AA, when does it stop being funny? I've wondered about that when watching SNL of late - they're doing a good job but even they seem to be struggling to walk the line between making fun of the administration and acknowledging that there are serious issues behind the laughs. The last depiction of Conway as a totally evil nutjob is an example. When does scary in real life stop being funny on TV?
by barefooted on Thu, 02/16/2017 - 11:44pm