Migrant caravan in Guatemala breaks through border fence into Mexico – video

By artappraiser on Sat, 10/20/2018 - 5:05am |

Here's the thing: it's really going on, this is not something the Trumpies are just making up out of whole cloth:

Migrant caravan in Guatemala breaks through border fence into Mexico – video https://t.co/0WxlzS032M
— The Guardian (@guardian) October 19, 2018

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2018/oct/19/migrant-caravan-in-guatemala-breaks-through-border-fence-into-mexico-video?CMP=twt_gu

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Migrant Caravan Breaks Through Guatemalan Border Fence

@ VOA News, Oct. 20

Central American migrants traveling in a mass caravan broke through a Guatemalan border fence Friday, running into a wall of police in Mexico, whose government has promised the United States it will confront the caravan.

Mexican television footage showed hundreds of migrants breaking through Guatemalan border posts and streaming onto a bridge connecting Mexico and Guatemala. The migrants were met on the other side by a line of Mexican police in riot gear.

Witnesses say some of the migrants threw rocks and other objects at Mexican security forces, who used pepper spray to force the migrants to retreat [....]

by artappraiser on Sat, 10/20/2018 - 5:10am

Like Okies/1932 except there's a border.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/18/world/americas/honduras-migrant-carav...

by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 10/20/2018 - 6:16am

“Close the whole thing!” Trump demanded at one point during an Oval Office meeting, the officials said. He was talked out of it by advisers. https://t.co/yIaYTRBmLA
— Robert Costa (@costareports) October 20, 2018

by artappraiser on Sat, 10/20/2018 - 8:31am

the following from a related twitter thread by Noah Smith speaks to one of my long-time favorite rants in real life. How if Catholics worldwide would just quit following the preaching of Pope Paul VI's stupid heretical theories about birth control, living standards would go up in a lot of places even with lousy leaders still in control. And more people would have time for spiritual pursuits and taking better care of the family they have, and spreading love, where they now reside, instead of breeding like wild cattle desperate for food, sending the progeny off to fend not just for themselves but sending remittances

3/First, some useful background. MEXICAN immigration to the United States collapsed a decade ago. Since then, there has been a decrease in the Mexican-born population living in America of about 500,000. pic.twitter.com/3a7BAfzxV1
— Noah Smith (@Noahpinion) October 21, 2018

4/Why did Mexican immigration to the U.S. collapse?

The Great Recession was a catalyst, but the real reasons are much longer-term things:

1. Mexico got a lot richer

2. Mexicans stopped having lots of kids. pic.twitter.com/E7TPEGQzkS
— Noah Smith (@Noahpinion) October 21, 2018

P.S. Here's a great American heroine who doesn't get near enough credit for the increase in prosperity and power of the the U.S. in the 20th century. Birth control is fundamental to the perpetuation of the species in a humane and "Christian" way. More so than like, antibiotics. Too many children = misery, starvation, crime, death, destruction, and all kinds of cruelty due to survival of the fittest.The Chinese knew, learned from hard experience.

by artappraiser on Sun, 10/21/2018 - 5:07pm

moved to another thread

by artappraiser on Tue, 10/23/2018 - 12:41am

This is Gab. A far right website.
Actually... not so "far" anymore. Maybe more center right.
Men on Gab fantasize and plan for violence. It's their version of patriotism. Or free speech. Or manhood. Or... something. They have their reasons, dammit! pic.twitter.com/M5O88bgQAo
— Lincoln's Bible (@LincolnsBible) October 25, 2018

by artappraiser on Wed, 10/24/2018 - 9:31pm

The Caravan Is Real (his point: Dems and the left need to take it seriously as a real, not imagined problem, especially as timing of related events might very well influence our election)

Op-ed By Rich Lowry @ Politico.com, October 24, 2018

The last thing the left wants prior to the midterms is an image dramatizing the weakness of our southern border.

So the caravan of thousands of migrants, emanating from Honduras and headed toward the United States, is considered an illegitimate story, a shoddy excuse for President Donald Trump’s chest-beating and fear-mongering [....]

The images, of a throng of migrants as far as the eye can see on a Mexican highway or of migrants hanging off a truck, are compelling. To which the response of progressive commentators has been: No fair.

There have been complaints that The New York Times ran front-page photos of the caravan two days running, drawing comparisons with the newspaper’s supposedly disproportionate coverage of the Clinton email scandal. Then, there’s the footage on TV. “Make no mistake,” Bill Maher says, “the TV media is helping Trump and his enablers win the upcoming election.”

This is all misbegotten. Rather than urging that the media ignore the caravan, Democrats would be better advised to lessen their vulnerability on immigration by not treating concerns over border security as inherently fake or hateful [....]

by artappraiser on Wed, 10/24/2018 - 10:24pm

Also in cars, frightening.....wait...

So 5--10 thousands. Trump is kicking out 1/2 million Haitians, Africans and Central Americans who have been here up to 15 years on special visas, in addition to cutting immigration 40k or so. The birth rate in the US is plummeting.

At 1/4 our population, Germany took in a million refugees from George W. Bush's Great Adventure in the Middle East. There will of course be more to come as climate change affects nations already barely making it, on the edge.Ranting about it and inciting mobs with fear ain't gonna stop people who are desperate.

by NCD on Thu, 10/25/2018 - 12:35am

Lowry's message for democrats is that the democrats shouldn't act like the strawman he and other republicans have created to attack the democrats. It's just a continuation of the same old strawman argument. Virtually all democrats want to control the border. I know of no democrat that advocates for an open border. Time and time again virtually all democrats have voted to increase border spending and have compromised in the attempt to get a comprehensive immigration bill. No compromise has ever been enough for republicans because democrats want a path to citizenship for dreamers and those who have been in the country for years as part of that comprehensive immigration bill. Republicans lie and claim democrats don't care about border security.

by ocean-kat on Thu, 10/25/2018 - 6:06am

Anyone else remember Reagan's fear mongering about Sandanistas just a day's drive or so from our southern border?

by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 10/25/2018 - 9:09am

Migrant caravan in Guatemala breaks through border fence into Mexico – video

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