Wiley, who did the Barack portrait, has been one of the hottest artists around for at least 5 years with those nasty elites, gets extremely high prices. Paintings by him cost six figures on the secondary market. It is a coup to get him to do your portrait. The artist that did Michelle is more an up and comer. But the Barack portrait, it is exactly like if Jimmy Carter had his portrait done by Warhol, very equivalent to that. Quite radical for the purpose.
pssst don't tell any MAGA wingers: I think Wiley is especially appropriate for Barack because his whole style includes a kind of ancient-Islamic/Oriental influenced patterning which he translates into a sort of new global way of seeing. In the end I also see this as referencing how this generation has started to glorify flat, bold iconography. He mixes East/West/African/abstract into a new whole. He's taken from tribal but the end result is anything but. The overall message is that there are no tribes anymore.
Edit to add: the portrait does strike me as rather conservative for him, though, for whatever reason. Many of his works are more bold, almost psychedelic in appearance with the background patterning and then a flat portrait figure presented almost like a religious icon.
Wiley had an exhibit in the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts in Richmond, and I was very impressed. His backgrounds are intricate, colorful, and almost overwhelming. I would like to see this one up close because that greenery surrounding Obama is probably worth a good amount of time in and of itself. Barack Obama seems like he is sitting in a chair that is too low for him, with his knees too high. His hands seem slightly out of proportion (too large), but that may be different on closer inspection. His face, however, seems to me to capture his humanity, thoughtfulness, and empathy.
I really want to see it up close. The same with Michelle’s...the lack of color is intentional; I understand, but her skin is so beautiful I wish this painting had captured it.
I do admire them for choosing the artists they chose. I look forward to seeing them up close and personal once the crowds have died down.
Thanks for reminding me, I should go see that exhibit, it is at Brooklyn now.
I am reminded now looking at that site, part of his thing is to take ordinary contemporary people and present them in an iconic manner, the poses and such of the way the powerful were presented in art of the past, like this one, a relatively blatant example, like a French king:
Photo: Katherine Wetzel;
Copyright: Virginia Museum of Fine Arts
So in depicting a president that everyone recognizes like an icon (way back to Shepherd Fairey) with actual awesome power, maybe he felt to express the opposite, to tone it down a bit, to express that this is also an ordinary person?
Oops doh, I look again, it was at Brooklyn in 2015! No can do! Losing track of what year it is, heh.
I have seen a lot of them at art fairs, he is very very popular, they sell like hotcakes..dealers fight to get them. I was glad to see you concur, C'Ville that they are kinda overwhelming in a psychedelic way in person. It is indeed the backgrounds, they are like getting lost in an Oriental rug pattern. He intertwines them in and out of the figures, that adds to the effect.
C'Ville, I just found that the toned down nature is Obama's fault, LOL at his comment--I was giving Wiley too much credit, he wanted to do his usual. From NPR coverage by Camilla Domonoske:
Barack Obama said he admired how Wiley's photos "challenge our conventional views of power and privilege."
But he said he rejected Wiley's ideas that involved him, for instance, riding a horse.
" 'I've got enough political problems without you making me look like Napoleon,' " he remembered telling Wiley. " 'You've got to bring it down a touch.' And that's what he did."
I Know. I saw that too. He asked him to make his ears smaller (lol) and his hair less white, but the “artist said ‘No.’”. Only Obama could be self-effacing at a portrait showing and pull it off.
I hate to think of how the donald would approach this. YUK!
I know you are talking about how he would act at a ceremony but your comment made me think of his first official portrait and how I thought he looked intentionally angry (others here just thought phony "serious") and that syncs with what Bannon was saying in the Michael Lewis article we both found useful.
I would agree that Trump’s new portrait is an improvement upon the one previously distributed. But as a photographer and someone involved with policy work, my take is that President Trump’s newly released official portrait is terrible (especially when viewed next to Pence’s). And most curious about both of Trump’s portraits is this intentional, hard light source placed below the subject (sinister lighting technique.) This just strikes me as odd. I cannot help but wonder if Trump himself is insisting that he be photographed this way?
Citizens of Earth 2 where Trump supporters reside are up in arms because Wiley depicted two black women holding the severed heads of white women. The best first option when citizens of Earth 2 speak so not to believe what they say. In this case, there are two paintings of black women holding severed heads. The head is not that of a woman, but a white man. The severed head is that of a general of Nebuchadnezzar, a Biblical King who sent a general to attack cities that did not honor King Nebuchadnezzer. A woman was dispatched to seduce and kill the general. The woman, Judith succeeded and severed the general’s head. Trump supporters on Earth 2 believe that Wiley painted a racist work of art. They are unable to use the Google to find out Wiley was depicting a Biblical story.
Yeah what he is doing is he plays with Old Master painting prototypes, most of those are biblical or classical allegorical, when secular art was rare.He uses ordinary people from his own hood/tribe/background and puts them in the place of ancient biblical or allegorical or royal figures of past art.
I think the intended effect is to make the viewer compare present and past. You can read as much racial message into that as is your wont about race in the present era. I don't think he is intending to force racial animosity down people's throat, though, he is more messaging: this is what is now. It is more Warholian: the ordinary are now our kings and queens.
What’s great about this country is that America started the tradition where the richest consumers buy essentially the same things as the poorest. You can be watching TV and see Coca-Cola, and you know that the President drinks Coke, Liz Taylor drinks Coke, and just think, you can drink Coke, too. A Coke is a Coke and no amount of money can get you a better Coke than the one the bum on the corner is drinking. All the Cokes are the same and all the Cokes are good. Liz Taylor knows it, the President knows it, the bum knows it, and you know it.
Edit to add: the biblical story of Judith and Holifernes was one of the most popular themes of Old Master Baroque painters, precisely because it was so dramatic, bloody and allegorical. It's like:everyone did that one from Rembrandt to Rubens to Caravaggio, be there or be square, one of their greatest hits.
P.S. Strikes me that they are irony impaired, they don't get that he is doing irony. Partly because they don't know the iconic images from art history that he is referencing. He is also referencing the flatness of comics, actually, he gets their world, too. Most contemporary artists do. Just like the most popular and valuable Japanese contemporary artists have been highly influenced by anime for a very long time, they reference it and interpret how it has changed our vision, often with an ironic edge.
Comes to mind: nothing new about Trump supporters being irony impaired? What they don't get: while Trump is definitely likewise, maestros like Steve Bannon are not. For some reason he just admires the simple hearted patriotic irony impaired?
So as to be clear that I am not making his popularity up, and it is not at all exclusively Afro-American and it very much includes "flyover country" and the entire world. Here is a review from when the retrospective show was at Fort Worth Museum. He is so popular that his work might be considered declasse now among the real hoity toity art cognoscenti, precisely because it is not controversial and therefore panders to people who want something contemporary but not "difficult." The beautiful realist style is not difficult to like. He pays a lot of attention to current fashion and style. He is at such a high sales he has a large studio of assistants who help paint the intricate backgrounds. It is not meant to be "in your face" politically charged. He is about as controversial as Beyonce or a major black fashion designer. All of which, I suspect, Barack Obama totally understands and is why found his work simpatico, it is: moderate.
With my underlining of a line that expresses his approach as to Old Master biblical themes:
By Gale Robinson @ Fort Worth Star Telegram, Sept. 23, 2015
[....] All the women have a similar look, though, and one that is more challenging than the men’s. They look fierce.
Wiley is very attuned to the fashion dateline and he seeks out models who seem equally aware. He marvels that the sell-by date on fashion expires so quickly, citing the velour tracksuits by Sean John he painted in 2006 that look so dated today.
In-demand artist
This exhibition includes sculptural portrait busts along with pieces he calls stained-glass paintings. The latter are not paintings at all. Instead, they are traditional stained glass, made by stained-glass workshops in central Europe that have been making them for generations. These glass window portraits are in a black chapellike gallery, and his black and brown men are depicted as saints, heroes and martyrs.
“Society portraits don’t give you the oomph that religious ones do,” Wiley muses.
The glass portraits glow, as is the nature of stained glass, but they are not as luminescent as his painted men.
With all of his new mediums and world travels, Wiley is stretching himself thin. His popularity has created an enormous demand for his work, both from institutions and the very wealthy who want commissioned portraits. His travels have exposed him to more demand, and he tries to give back by opening studios in the poorest countries.
Wiley has a huge phalanx of assistants who paint his labor-intensive backgrounds. Lately, however, it looks as if he is expecting them to paint the bodies, too, and the results are obvious in one of the very last paintings, one that features two young girls. Their arms look like those of mannequins — plastic and unyielding
The assistants can’t imitate his touch. His inimitable style has created a problem. Even with assistants, he cannot keep up with the demand [....]
To give such Trump fans comments serious attention is just feeding the artificial dragging back to 1980's culture wars which themselves hoped to return to the 1950's. Our culture, even our pop culture, which Wiley had been edging into and now is firmly ensconced in, is far more complex than that now. There's no going back to the America they are fantasizing about. Including on race, most of us are way beyond that, we imbibe Afro-American culture as part of America now every day. So does the rest of the world, for that matter.
P.S. Michelle's portrait is actually more radical, art-wise.
Should say that I would have been really surprised if they picked more traditional artists because it is well known that their personal taste preference is abstract art. So choosing a portrait painter that would present them in a recognizable way for posterity, where they actually liked looking at the result themselves, was probably quite difficult for them.
I had a feeling you'd have a thought or two on this subject ...
And thank you for all of them. For his, I love the depiction of flowers from Hawaii, Kenya and Chicago; and like C'Ville I think his face is the most intriguing part (though I happen to love his hands - they're often a focus for photos of him). For hers, it's the peaceful tranquility and grace that it exudes that I admire. Yet there's also a feminine strength within it that seems almost overwhelmed by that gorgeous dress even as it draws the eye to her exposed arms and shoulders. She's also sexy in a profoundly adult woman way. Strangely, though, I don't think it looks as much like her as his does him. But it feels like her.
Sean Hannity sees sperm cells in Barack Obama’s hair in the portrait.
Bad bad naughty Irish boy, thinking bad thoughts, Father would tell you to say 10 Hail Marys and 1 Our Father and pray to God for strength resisting those demons.
I’m wondering about the brains of Conservative. I had the DVR going during Janet Jackson ‘s nipplegate. I still don’t know how they saw the exposed breast so quickly. Now they see sperm in Obama’s portrait.
Yes, it has to do with the popularity of the Obama's as well, but in another time, had a president and wife chose a such "avant garde" styles, it would have been more ridicule than crowds. Now it's the opposite, it adds to the appeal.
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Wiley, who did the Barack portrait, has been one of the hottest artists around for at least 5 years with those nasty elites, gets extremely high prices. Paintings by him cost six figures on the secondary market. It is a coup to get him to do your portrait. The artist that did Michelle is more an up and comer. But the Barack portrait, it is exactly like if Jimmy Carter had his portrait done by Warhol, very equivalent to that. Quite radical for the purpose.
by artappraiser on Mon, 02/12/2018 - 4:24pm
pssst don't tell any MAGA wingers: I think Wiley is especially appropriate for Barack because his whole style includes a kind of ancient-Islamic/Oriental influenced patterning which he translates into a sort of new global way of seeing. In the end I also see this as referencing how this generation has started to glorify flat, bold iconography. He mixes East/West/African/abstract into a new whole. He's taken from tribal but the end result is anything but. The overall message is that there are no tribes anymore.
Edit to add: the portrait does strike me as rather conservative for him, though, for whatever reason. Many of his works are more bold, almost psychedelic in appearance with the background patterning and then a flat portrait figure presented almost like a religious icon.
by artappraiser on Mon, 02/12/2018 - 4:38pm
Wiley had an exhibit in the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts in Richmond, and I was very impressed. His backgrounds are intricate, colorful, and almost overwhelming. I would like to see this one up close because that greenery surrounding Obama is probably worth a good amount of time in and of itself. Barack Obama seems like he is sitting in a chair that is too low for him, with his knees too high. His hands seem slightly out of proportion (too large), but that may be different on closer inspection. His face, however, seems to me to capture his humanity, thoughtfulness, and empathy.
I really want to see it up close. The same with Michelle’s...the lack of color is intentional; I understand, but her skin is so beautiful I wish this painting had captured it.
I do admire them for choosing the artists they chose. I look forward to seeing them up close and personal once the crowds have died down.
by CVille Dem on Mon, 02/12/2018 - 4:55pm
Thanks for reminding me, I should go see that exhibit, it is at Brooklyn now.
I am reminded now looking at that site, part of his thing is to take ordinary contemporary people and present them in an iconic manner, the poses and such of the way the powerful were presented in art of the past, like this one, a relatively blatant example, like a French king:
Copyright: Virginia Museum of Fine Arts
So in depicting a president that everyone recognizes like an icon (way back to Shepherd Fairey) with actual awesome power, maybe he felt to express the opposite, to tone it down a bit, to express that this is also an ordinary person?
by artappraiser on Mon, 02/12/2018 - 5:29pm
Oops doh, I look again, it was at Brooklyn in 2015! No can do! Losing track of what year it is, heh.
I have seen a lot of them at art fairs, he is very very popular, they sell like hotcakes..dealers fight to get them. I was glad to see you concur, C'Ville that they are kinda overwhelming in a psychedelic way in person. It is indeed the backgrounds, they are like getting lost in an Oriental rug pattern. He intertwines them in and out of the figures, that adds to the effect.
by artappraiser on Mon, 02/12/2018 - 5:39pm
C'Ville, I just found that the toned down nature is Obama's fault, LOL at his comment--I was giving Wiley too much credit, he wanted to do his usual. From NPR coverage by Camilla Domonoske:
by artappraiser on Mon, 02/12/2018 - 7:33pm
I Know. I saw that too. He asked him to make his ears smaller (lol) and his hair less white, but the “artist said ‘No.’”. Only Obama could be self-effacing at a portrait showing and pull it off.
I hate to think of how the donald would approach this. YUK!
by CVille Dem on Mon, 02/12/2018 - 8:44pm
I know you are talking about how he would act at a ceremony but your comment made me think of his first official portrait and how I thought he looked intentionally angry (others here just thought phony "serious") and that syncs with what Bannon was saying in the Michael Lewis article we both found useful.
BUT in going to look for an example to post here, instead I found this real interesting professional portrait photographer's blog post on it all, where first he informs that the "angry" one was just temporary, and the final one is a really phony smiley one, and he compares them with Pence's official one and a Congresswoman's and concludes something fishy still maybe going on:
He's got all the pix there.
by artappraiser on Mon, 02/12/2018 - 9:13pm
The portraits remind us of what we lost when they left the White House.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 02/12/2018 - 4:46pm
Citizens of Earth 2 where Trump supporters reside are up in arms because Wiley depicted two black women holding the severed heads of white women. The best first option when citizens of Earth 2 speak so not to believe what they say. In this case, there are two paintings of black women holding severed heads. The head is not that of a woman, but a white man. The severed head is that of a general of Nebuchadnezzar, a Biblical King who sent a general to attack cities that did not honor King Nebuchadnezzer. A woman was dispatched to seduce and kill the general. The woman, Judith succeeded and severed the general’s head. Trump supporters on Earth 2 believe that Wiley painted a racist work of art. They are unable to use the Google to find out Wiley was depicting a Biblical story.
The art is a depiction of a Biblical story
It is the head of a man, not a woman.
Citizens of Earth 2 are hopeless
https://thedailybanter.com/2018/02/kehinde-wiley-not-so-racist-paintings/
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 02/12/2018 - 5:39pm
Yeah what he is doing is he plays with Old Master painting prototypes, most of those are biblical or classical allegorical, when secular art was rare.He uses ordinary people from his own hood/tribe/background and puts them in the place of ancient biblical or allegorical or royal figures of past art.
I think the intended effect is to make the viewer compare present and past. You can read as much racial message into that as is your wont about race in the present era. I don't think he is intending to force racial animosity down people's throat, though, he is more messaging: this is what is now. It is more Warholian: the ordinary are now our kings and queens.
from Warhol’s 1975 book, The Philosophy of Andy Warhol.
Edit to add: the biblical story of Judith and Holifernes was one of the most popular themes of Old Master Baroque painters, precisely because it was so dramatic, bloody and allegorical. It's like:everyone did that one from Rembrandt to Rubens to Caravaggio, be there or be square, one of their greatest hits.
by artappraiser on Mon, 02/12/2018 - 6:01pm
P.S. Strikes me that they are irony impaired, they don't get that he is doing irony. Partly because they don't know the iconic images from art history that he is referencing. He is also referencing the flatness of comics, actually, he gets their world, too. Most contemporary artists do. Just like the most popular and valuable Japanese contemporary artists have been highly influenced by anime for a very long time, they reference it and interpret how it has changed our vision, often with an ironic edge.
by artappraiser on Mon, 02/12/2018 - 5:54pm
Comes to mind: nothing new about Trump supporters being irony impaired? What they don't get: while Trump is definitely likewise, maestros like Steve Bannon are not. For some reason he just admires the simple hearted patriotic irony impaired?
by artappraiser on Mon, 02/12/2018 - 6:06pm
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by artappraiser on Mon, 02/12/2018 - 6:06pm
So as to be clear that I am not making his popularity up, and it is not at all exclusively Afro-American and it very much includes "flyover country" and the entire world. Here is a review from when the retrospective show was at Fort Worth Museum. He is so popular that his work might be considered declasse now among the real hoity toity art cognoscenti, precisely because it is not controversial and therefore panders to people who want something contemporary but not "difficult." The beautiful realist style is not difficult to like. He pays a lot of attention to current fashion and style. He is at such a high sales he has a large studio of assistants who help paint the intricate backgrounds. It is not meant to be "in your face" politically charged. He is about as controversial as Beyonce or a major black fashion designer. All of which, I suspect, Barack Obama totally understands and is why found his work simpatico, it is: moderate.
With my underlining of a line that expresses his approach as to Old Master biblical themes:
Exhibit review: Kehinde Wiley’s spectacular mid-career retrospective at the Modern
By Gale Robinson @ Fort Worth Star Telegram, Sept. 23, 2015
To give such Trump fans comments serious attention is just feeding the artificial dragging back to 1980's culture wars which themselves hoped to return to the 1950's. Our culture, even our pop culture, which Wiley had been edging into and now is firmly ensconced in, is far more complex than that now. There's no going back to the America they are fantasizing about. Including on race, most of us are way beyond that, we imbibe Afro-American culture as part of America now every day. So does the rest of the world, for that matter.
P.S. Michelle's portrait is actually more radical, art-wise.
by artappraiser on Mon, 02/12/2018 - 7:29pm
Obama intended it to be art in motion.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 02/13/2018 - 3:31am
Should say that I would have been really surprised if they picked more traditional artists because it is well known that their personal taste preference is abstract art. So choosing a portrait painter that would present them in a recognizable way for posterity, where they actually liked looking at the result themselves, was probably quite difficult for them.
by artappraiser on Mon, 02/12/2018 - 6:17pm
I had a feeling you'd have a thought or two on this subject ...
And thank you for all of them. For his, I love the depiction of flowers from Hawaii, Kenya and Chicago; and like C'Ville I think his face is the most intriguing part (though I happen to love his hands - they're often a focus for photos of him). For hers, it's the peaceful tranquility and grace that it exudes that I admire. Yet there's also a feminine strength within it that seems almost overwhelmed by that gorgeous dress even as it draws the eye to her exposed arms and shoulders. She's also sexy in a profoundly adult woman way. Strangely, though, I don't think it looks as much like her as his does him. But it feels like her.
by barefooted on Mon, 02/12/2018 - 8:48pm
Sean Hannity sees sperm cells in Barack Obama’s hair in the portrait.
http://theweek.com/speedreads/755004/sean-hannitys-latest-conspiracy-involves-obamas-official-portrait-secret-sperm-cells
The nonsense initially appeared on a white supremacist website and Hannity ran with the idiocy.
https://mobile.twitter.com/djlavoie/status/963479826253406209?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 02/13/2018 - 3:37pm
Sean Hannity sees sperm cells in Barack Obama’s hair in the portrait.
Bad bad naughty Irish boy, thinking bad thoughts, Father would tell you to say 10 Hail Marys and 1 Our Father and pray to God for strength resisting those demons.
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/13/2018 - 4:19pm
Let Sean be known as the great sperm wail. Out of Boston no less.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 02/13/2018 - 5:09pm
I’m wondering about the brains of Conservative. I had the DVR going during Janet Jackson ‘s nipplegate. I still don’t know how they saw the exposed breast so quickly. Now they see sperm in Obama’s portrait.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 02/13/2018 - 8:16pm
They've been following the Mark of the Breast for decades, them Bible thumpers...
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 02/13/2018 - 8:41pm
It is still astounding to me how popular contemporary art has become in my lifetime:
Smithsonian moves Michelle Obama portrait to larger space over high demand
Yes, it has to do with the popularity of the Obama's as well, but in another time, had a president and wife chose a such "avant garde" styles, it would have been more ridicule than crowds. Now it's the opposite, it adds to the appeal.
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/20/2018 - 3:15pm