Trump is lying, obfuscating and inventing his own version of reality more frequently - a period that began post-Cohen raid but which intensified in recent days, via @AshleyRParkerhttps://t.co/dAyKJv9yrY
There is nothing POTUS is more afraid of than looking weak: TRUMP: if you’re really, really pathetically weak, the country is going to be overrun with millions of people and if you’re strong, then you don’t have any heart. That’s a tough dilemma. Perhaps I’d rather be strong ..
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This is part of why we've seen him consistently take the hardest line position on any issue.
Terrorism: We should kill the families of Terrorists.
Abortion: Women should be punished.
Immigration: Build a wall, separate families
Muslims: Ban them all etc etc
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He believes these issues make him look strong, tough. He believes that because he got loud roars for it during the election even as he was being condemned by dems and republicans. The crowds still cheered. So he went as far as he could.
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I'm asked why the President was so furious with me in December 2015. Why did he call for my firing? Why did he point me out in a crowd and indirectly endanger my safety? Why did he boycott NBC after that? Because he thought I made him look weak.
Trump said that he could not issue an executive order to end family separation. Trump just signed an executive order to stop separating families. The order does not impact the 2300 children already kidnapped. Those are facts. If people only listen to wingnut media, there is nothing that we can do to change their beliefs.
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Another issue here is that law enforcement offered no objections when ordered to kidnap children. We have the excuse “I was only following orders”.
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There is a court order from the 1990s that limits the amount of time immigrant juveniles can be held in federal detention. The executive order may be a scam.
American and United Airlines refuse to allow ICE to use their planes for relocation of the children
.....United Airlines wants nothing to do with transporting the children of parents who have entered the U.S. illegally and have been separated from their families at the border. Neither does American Airlines......Based on our serious concerns about this policy and how it’s in deep conflict with our company’s values, we have contacted federal officials to inform them that they should not transport immigrant children on United aircraft who have been separated from their parents. Our company’s shared purpose is to connect people and unite the world.”
So much of the Trump administration is Trump creating crises then partially solving them. The travel ban, trade wars, escalation with North Korea, Obamacare subsidies, family separation...
Again and again, Trump triggers disaster, then demands credit for semi-averting it.
but wait, there's more, a con too far, irony of ironies; was this really one con too far, or is this a con on a con? whatever, no one would try making this stuff up:
Real news isn't that Cohen left the RNC. It's that he criticized Trump in his resignation letter. "As the son of a Polish holocaust survivor, the images and sounds of this family separation policy is heart wrenching,” he wrote. "Children should never be used as bargaining chips." https://t.co/96KEodpzfj
Come then, said I, examine it thus. Recall the general likeness between the the city and the man, and then observe what happens to each of them.
What things? he said.
In the first place, said I, will you call the state governed by a tyrant free or enslaved, speaking of it as a state?
Utterly enslaved, he said.
And yet you see in it masters and free men.
I see, he said, a small portion of such, but the entirety, so to speak, and the best part of it is shamefully and wretchedly enslaved.
If then, I said, the man resembles the state, must not the same properties obtain in him, and his soul teem with boundless servility and illiberality, the best and most reasonable parts of it being enslaved, while a small part, the worst and most frenzied, plays the despot?
Inevitably, he said
Nice find. And that's without even getting into Plato's Cave, into which Trump has gone as far and deep as any person who has lived before him. May be going for the record? Saying "you couldn't make this up" seems to have lost it's punch.
The founders shared Plato's fear of pure democracy, but the republic they designed is very different the state Plato advocated. Republic is actually a misleading translation for the Greek title, Politeia. Plato's "republic" is an aristocracy, albeit one that allows some lower class citizens to advance based on merit.
Xenophon's Anabasis , (circa 400 BC), Waterfield translation, in analogies from incidents in his participation in a failed invasion of Persia, found all three forms of government, democracy, oligarchy and authoritarian, were prone to dissolution or catastrophe.
The book I read interpreting and following Xenophon's text is by Greek scholar Robin Waterfield titled, Xenophon's Retreat, Harvard University Press, 2006.
He follows their journey in his research, and has a photo if a knee high unmarked stone cairn that he believes is the one they built when they first spotted the sea, and escaped at last from pursuers. (northern Turkey, Black Sea)
True, Plato argued for the primacy of philosopher/kings.
In terms of the argument in Book Nine, however, the passage quoted has more to do with the argument against Thrasymachus who claimed in Book One that justice was the province of the powerful over the weak.
Then is it not in order that such a one may have a like government with the best man that we say he ought to be a slave of that best man who has within himself the divine governing principle, not because we suppose, as Thrasymachus did in the case of subjects, that the slave should be governed for his own harm, but on the ground that it is better for everyone to be governed by the divine and intelligent, preferably indwelling and his own, but in default of that imposed from without, in order that we all so far as possible may be akin and friendly because our governance and guidance are the same?
Yes, and rightly so, he said.
And it is plain, I said, that this is the purpose of the law, which is the ally of all classes in the state, and this is the aim of our control of children, our not leaving them free before we have established, so to speak, a constitutional government within them and, by fostering the best element with the aid of the like in ourselves, have set up in its place a similar guardian and ruler in the child, and then, and then only, leave it free.
This tweet hits me hard like this: We really are living through a nightmarish news cycle, all due to his crazy way of making up policy and events from temper tantrums, not even listening to his own staff, refusing to learn anything about actualities of current situations, as well as escalating the lying and the flip flopping. He's truly a troll par excellence, with manic depressive tendencies as well as narcissist ones we know for sure. something's got to give:
Edit to add: Another thing that hits me: what happened to that old canard that if there is no stability of leadership and people are unsure of what will happen, the economy will crash?
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Thread of tweets by MSNBC reporter/anchor Katy Tur:
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 2:14pm
watch the 35 second video clip of the signing of the executive order re: immigrant families, @ TheHill.com , it's pretty clear he's not going to let the media frame it as a mistake or failure, he's clearly on the way to spinning that he's the one who saved the children after 60 years of do nothing, he's the only one with the political courage to take care of it.
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 7:42pm
Trump said that he could not issue an executive order to end family separation. Trump just signed an executive order to stop separating families. The order does not impact the 2300 children already kidnapped. Those are facts. If people only listen to wingnut media, there is nothing that we can do to change their beliefs.
Edit to add:
Another issue here is that law enforcement offered no objections when ordered to kidnap children. We have the excuse “I was only following orders”.
Edit to add
There is a court order from the 1990s that limits the amount of time immigrant juveniles can be held in federal detention. The executive order may be a scam.
https://www.vox.com/2018/6/20/17484546/executive-order-family-separation-flores-settlement-agreement-immigration
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 8:14pm
American and United Airlines refuse to allow ICE to use their planes for relocation of the children
.....United Airlines wants nothing to do with transporting the children of parents who have entered the U.S. illegally and have been separated from their families at the border. Neither does American Airlines......Based on our serious concerns about this policy and how it’s in deep conflict with our company’s values, we have contacted federal officials to inform them that they should not transport immigrant children on United aircraft who have been separated from their parents. Our company’s shared purpose is to connect people and unite the world.”
by NCD on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 9:13pm
Political courage is not selling cruelty as the only tool of persuasion. People who believe that will pretty much believe anything.
I repeat myself.
by moat on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 8:47pm
this >
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 9:03pm
Which is pretty much the definition of a con job.
by moat on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 9:10pm
but wait, there's more, a con too far, irony of ironies; was this really one con too far, or is this a con on a con? whatever, no one would try making this stuff up:
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 9:21pm
When you earn the moral rebuke of Michael Cohen - wow!
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 06/21/2018 - 2:05am
Socrates has got this:
Republic Chap 9, 577
by moat on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 4:20pm
Nice find. And that's without even getting into Plato's Cave, into which Trump has gone as far and deep as any person who has lived before him. May be going for the record? Saying "you couldn't make this up" seems to have lost it's punch.
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 5:07pm
Course, this passage is part of Plato's argument against democracy, that is, democracy inevitably leads to tyranny.
by Michael Wolraich on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 5:39pm
but is that not why we have a republic, wasn't it that the founders feared pure populist democracy from studying exactly this stuff?
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 5:54pm
The founders shared Plato's fear of pure democracy, but the republic they designed is very different the state Plato advocated. Republic is actually a misleading translation for the Greek title, Politeia. Plato's "republic" is an aristocracy, albeit one that allows some lower class citizens to advance based on merit.
by Michael Wolraich on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 6:16pm
Xenophon's Anabasis , (circa 400 BC), Waterfield translation, in analogies from incidents in his participation in a failed invasion of Persia, found all three forms of government, democracy, oligarchy and authoritarian, were prone to dissolution or catastrophe.
by NCD on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 10:11pm
Interesting. I've never read Xenophon.
by Michael Wolraich on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 11:43pm
The book I read interpreting and following Xenophon's text is by Greek scholar Robin Waterfield titled, Xenophon's Retreat, Harvard University Press, 2006.
He follows their journey in his research, and has a photo if a knee high unmarked stone cairn that he believes is the one they built when they first spotted the sea, and escaped at last from pursuers. (northern Turkey, Black Sea)
by NCD on Thu, 06/21/2018 - 1:46am
True, Plato argued for the primacy of philosopher/kings.
In terms of the argument in Book Nine, however, the passage quoted has more to do with the argument against Thrasymachus who claimed in Book One that justice was the province of the powerful over the weak.
Republic Book 9, 590
by moat on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 6:45pm
Fair enough. Book 8 concerns government. Book 9, which you quoted, concerns the soul. And Trump is nothing if not a tyrannical soul.
PS Contrast with Obama, who comes close to Plato's ideal of the aristocratic soul
by Michael Wolraich on Wed, 06/20/2018 - 11:33pm
This tweet hits me hard like this: We really are living through a nightmarish news cycle, all due to his crazy way of making up policy and events from temper tantrums, not even listening to his own staff, refusing to learn anything about actualities of current situations, as well as escalating the lying and the flip flopping. He's truly a troll par excellence, with manic depressive tendencies as well as narcissist ones we know for sure. something's got to give:
Edit to add: Another thing that hits me: what happened to that old canard that if there is no stability of leadership and people are unsure of what will happen, the economy will crash?
by artappraiser on Thu, 06/21/2018 - 3:53am