MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Saudi Crown Prince Discusses Trump (& Aramco, Arrests): Bloomberg Transcript
By artappraiser on Sat, 10/06/2018 - 3:38pm |See Daniel Dale's excerpt below about Trump's delusional bullshit:
URL:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-05/saudi-crown-prince-discusses-trump-aramco-arrests-transcript
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by artappraiser on Sat, 10/06/2018 - 3:53pm
Trumpian Schroedinger's Cat experiment has the different versions of felines screaming most of the time, under different sets of duress.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 10/06/2018 - 4:29pm
Turkey's saying Saudis murdered missing journalist Khashoggi in the Saudi's consulate:
by artappraiser on Sat, 10/06/2018 - 5:35pm
Sultan Crown Prince King Salman said although Khashoggi was a journalist, and he hates journalists as they are enemies of the people, he would never kill them.
by NCD on Sun, 10/07/2018 - 12:48pm
I share your cavaet emptor feelings. How will we ever know the truth about stuff like this anymore with Trump as a top example to both of these guys of how one can lie constantly not just to their own people but to the world and still stay in power? One thing is clear: this seems to be precisely why someone may have killed this fine journalist. Another bad side effect: I notice on Twitter a lot of other fine journalists who knew him are immensely upset. This might affect how they do their job and look at things....
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/07/2018 - 1:52pm
Thomas "Saudi Arab Spring" Friedman too I suppose.
by NCD on Sun, 10/07/2018 - 2:40pm
WaPo is taken the paywall down for columns written by Khashoggi at request of Kristof of NYTimes:
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/07/2018 - 9:12pm
David Ignatius on Khashoggi:
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/07/2018 - 9:13pm
Waiting for NYT Freidman on this, he spent 4 hours interviewing Salman in 2017.
by NCD on Sun, 10/07/2018 - 9:39pm
I see one tweet, sounds like avoidance until he has more info., methinks, doesn't want to be made an ass once again?
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/07/2018 - 9:51pm
oops there is more than one Friedman tweet on topic, it's just that the other two are from Friday before the Turk news:
Directly addressing Trump, Kushner, looks like he has not got a satisfactory answer?
and this
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/07/2018 - 10:07pm
Somebody tweet Freidman:
1. Neither Trump or Jared give a crap about this guy.
2. He's not going to be released because he is dead.
3. Saudi economic reform will fail no matter what.
by NCD on Sun, 10/07/2018 - 10:52pm
there's lots of tweeted replies along those lines and stronger to the Oct.7 tweet
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/08/2018 - 6:09am
Thanks, very biting replies!
TF: block, block, block, block......go on NYT book leave.
by NCD on Mon, 10/08/2018 - 12:00pm
Ok, folks, let's get real - how many people did Egypt kill while we were working out Arab Spring, how many did Israelis kill secretly and publicly in our years of peace process, how many did Qaddafi kill while we were trying to get him to change direction post-9/11, how many did Iraq's leadership kill during the years of civil war and rebuilding, how many has our NATO ally Erdogan killed in consolidating power these last 4 years, how many did Bush's team kill post-911 at Gitmo and Al Ghraib and Bagghram that Kavanaugh helped cover up and how many Yemeni civilians did Saudis kill with air strikes before we got upset over this one death...? Friedman's often an asshat, but I'm holding my breath too hoping MBS's actions would signal a turn towards greater openness and democracy and economics and efficiency, a major economic and cultural turning point rather than the criminal collusion with UAE and Israel and Russia et al.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 10/08/2018 - 12:55pm
None of those murders were in the nation's own embassy in a foreign country.
An anonymous hit in a hotel, on the street from unknown assailant is more civilized.
Even the Nazis didn't lure people in and murder them, in the diplomatic privileged ground of their foreign embassies.
If true it shows Salman is so dumb, power drunk and impetuous he thought they could get by with it, saying "he left embassy".
K's fiance and famly waited outside for 11 hours as K told them, if I don't come out report it.
by NCD on Mon, 10/08/2018 - 1:38pm
My issue was blaming Friedman for this, not debating whether it was a Putin-like move on MBS's part.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 10/08/2018 - 1:45pm
Nobody blamed Friedman. He was just a bit too Pollyanna about Salman in some people's opinions.
Friedman has already responded : Saudi Arabia stands accused of killing him. If it did, it will be a disaster for the regime of Mohammed bin Salman:
by NCD on Mon, 10/08/2018 - 6:23pm
Rick Wilson gives hot tip to Sen. Graham on Khashoggi:
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/08/2018 - 11:46am