There's lots to criticize in how Ben Sasse has been quiet about Trumpism for the last four years. And the both-sideism near the end falls flat. Still, I appreciate this. https://t.co/cKOUsH8rJ2
I spent 4 years believing the election was stolen, but the solution was not to burn down the system, but to use the proper legal tools to investigate & publicize that theft (lots of indictments/guilty pleas & supporting documentation) and make sure such theft doesn't happen again, including *gasp* the right to vote and have your vote counted properly (this largely happened much more securely and audited, though we still have less data & confirmation for ES&S machines. That's not conspiracy - that's asking for audits and oversight and proper control of software for the nation's leading vote machine by far).
Certainly Bill Clinton didn't stop the post office from counting absentee ballots in 2000, and indeed *some* late Florida military votes were counted *without* postmark. Clinton didn't toss thousands of voters off the voting rolls the way the Florida state gov did. Clinton didn't push dozens of voting laws in North Carolina that were deemed unconstitutional/illegal by the courts but we're used in elections to diaenfranchise voters meanwhile. Obama didn't encourage Russian hackers to hack the Republicans' servers.Hillary didn't hold meetings during the campaign with Russians, UAE, Israeli and Egyptian operatives who offered aid in shifting the election. Nor did Hillary's campaign team hold email release meetings with an indicted Russia-connected foreign leaker who had access to that stolen data, nor offer him a pardon. Hillary's team didn't offer polling data for key states to Russian GRU-connected Ukrainian oligarchs 2 1/2 months before the election. Neither Biden nor Obama pressured a foreign head of state bybwitholding 100s of millions in Congressional aid until he dug up dirt on his opponent. And however pissed Hillary was, she accepted the apparent defeat for the good of the country, avoiding division, and diplomatically showed up for inauguration and ate shit with a smile in front of millions. The Democrats didn't have a Governor candidate run while retaining the role of chief vote counter, where 10's of thousands of likely opposition votes just up and disappeared.
So they can fuck off with the "both sides do it" equation. The Democratic Party is *largely* the party of laws and precedents and doing what's healthy for the country. The Republicans have *become* the party of winning at any cost, even if it hurts their own constituents. That is a simple reality, whether certain situations don't support that basic lay of the land. Exceptions don't destroy rules - in small quantities they highlight them.
Back during the 2000s, it was popular sentiment among liberals that George W. Bush didn't legitimately win the election. No one ever did anything to change it and you saw W and McCain both became friends of liberals during the Obama years, but the sentiment seems to be a recurringly popular one. People don't like the Electoral College system, or the way power is distributed in the senate, or having to share so much power with people on the other side of the country who run their affairs very differently, and they're not given any chance to say they want to change it the way that, say, British voters were able to vote for Brexit. So the whole system feels a bit dictatorial for all sorts of people and conspiracies and anger serve as explanations for it.
Look up Roger Stone's "Brooks Brothers Revolt". They literally stormed a vote counting facility and got away with it. You can question the hanging chad stuff, but there's also Florida knocking voters off the rolls. Of course this was 1 state, not 3 very tight surprise states like Hillary confronted (actually a 4th, MN, barely went her way rather than the much safer margin). The Supreme Court decision is a mess. No good investigation of the voting machine company either. And then they acted like they had a huge mandate. Total dick Karl Rove & Dick Cheney moves.
Trump lawyer attacks Chief Justice and accuses him of taking out Scalia - and says Jeffrey Epstein's alive! If you predicted that on Trump Admin bingo, give yourself a shot
Ghislaine ask for extension so Trump has time to pardon her. Maybe if Epstein really is alive, Trump will pardon them all. More popcorn, please - to keeps coming.
TFW someone whose client has pics of the President with said client and a pedophile asks for an extension until after any pardon would be forthcoming. https://t.co/l2yGtlufrg
My full report on an extraordinary call this morning... McConnell said his Jan. 6 vote certifying Joe Biden's victory in the 2020 election will be "the most consequential I have ever cast" - more consequential than votes on wars and impeachment. https://t.co/0gPwybabuY
To the surprise of, well, no one, Judge Kernodle has thrown out @replouiegohmert’s preposterous lawsuit that sought to block Vice President Pence from counting the electoral votes at next Wednesday’s joint session of Congress:https://t.co/HXINPXRlyBpic.twitter.com/9qBJwLrWSU
You’d think the Arizona GOP would also want to go back to Flake, McCain, and Romney — you know, Republicans that actually won elections in Arizona. But I guess they’re happier with Sinema, Kelly, and Biden? https://t.co/LvVuZybfaD
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by artappraiser on Thu, 12/31/2020 - 4:26am
I spent 4 years believing the election was stolen, but the solution was not to burn down the system, but to use the proper legal tools to investigate & publicize that theft (lots of indictments/guilty pleas & supporting documentation) and make sure such theft doesn't happen again, including *gasp* the right to vote and have your vote counted properly (this largely happened much more securely and audited, though we still have less data & confirmation for ES&S machines. That's not conspiracy - that's asking for audits and oversight and proper control of software for the nation's leading vote machine by far).
Certainly Bill Clinton didn't stop the post office from counting absentee ballots in 2000, and indeed *some* late Florida military votes were counted *without* postmark. Clinton didn't toss thousands of voters off the voting rolls the way the Florida state gov did. Clinton didn't push dozens of voting laws in North Carolina that were deemed unconstitutional/illegal by the courts but we're used in elections to diaenfranchise voters meanwhile. Obama didn't encourage Russian hackers to hack the Republicans' servers.Hillary didn't hold meetings during the campaign with Russians, UAE, Israeli and Egyptian operatives who offered aid in shifting the election. Nor did Hillary's campaign team hold email release meetings with an indicted Russia-connected foreign leaker who had access to that stolen data, nor offer him a pardon. Hillary's team didn't offer polling data for key states to Russian GRU-connected Ukrainian oligarchs 2 1/2 months before the election. Neither Biden nor Obama pressured a foreign head of state bybwitholding 100s of millions in Congressional aid until he dug up dirt on his opponent. And however pissed Hillary was, she accepted the apparent defeat for the good of the country, avoiding division, and diplomatically showed up for inauguration and ate shit with a smile in front of millions. The Democrats didn't have a Governor candidate run while retaining the role of chief vote counter, where 10's of thousands of likely opposition votes just up and disappeared.
So they can fuck off with the "both sides do it" equation. The Democratic Party is *largely* the party of laws and precedents and doing what's healthy for the country. The Republicans have *become* the party of winning at any cost, even if it hurts their own constituents. That is a simple reality, whether certain situations don't support that basic lay of the land. Exceptions don't destroy rules - in small quantities they highlight them.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 12/31/2020 - 5:48am
Back during the 2000s, it was popular sentiment among liberals that George W. Bush didn't legitimately win the election. No one ever did anything to change it and you saw W and McCain both became friends of liberals during the Obama years, but the sentiment seems to be a recurringly popular one. People don't like the Electoral College system, or the way power is distributed in the senate, or having to share so much power with people on the other side of the country who run their affairs very differently, and they're not given any chance to say they want to change it the way that, say, British voters were able to vote for Brexit. So the whole system feels a bit dictatorial for all sorts of people and conspiracies and anger serve as explanations for it.
by Orion on Thu, 12/31/2020 - 10:18am
Look up Roger Stone's "Brooks Brothers Revolt". They literally stormed a vote counting facility and got away with it. You can question the hanging chad stuff, but there's also Florida knocking voters off the rolls. Of course this was 1 state, not 3 very tight surprise states like Hillary confronted (actually a 4th, MN, barely went her way rather than the much safer margin). The Supreme Court decision is a mess. No good investigation of the voting machine company either. And then they acted like they had a huge mandate. Total dick Karl Rove & Dick Cheney moves.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 12/31/2020 - 4:10pm
Trump lawyer attacks Chief Justice and accuses him of taking out Scalia - and says Jeffrey Epstein's alive! If you predicted that on Trump Admin bingo, give yourself a shot
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5fee0bfbc5b65a92290dc2e4
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 12/31/2020 - 4:45pm
Ghislaine ask for extension so Trump has time to pardon her. Maybe if Epstein really is alive, Trump will pardon them all. More popcorn, please - to keeps coming.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 12/31/2020 - 5:38pm
Jonathan Swan:
by artappraiser on Thu, 12/31/2020 - 6:14pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/01/2021 - 8:23pm
Lin Wood trying to keep the Jan. 6 fantasies exciting:
when reality looks bleak:
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/01/2021 - 10:39pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/01/2021 - 10:41pm
Reed Galen of The Lincoln Project:
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/01/2021 - 11:12pm
"endless blood feud"
edit to add:
by artappraiser on Sat, 01/02/2021 - 5:26pm