MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
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Sinema (D) Lead Widens in AZ Senate Race
By NCD on Fri, 11/09/2018 - 9:45pm |Lead now 20,000 votes......Sinema is winning the Republican-leaning Maricopa County. When ballots have been tabulated, McSally has not won any batch of votes in Maricopa County,
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https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2018/11/09/kyrsten-sinemas-lead-over-martha-mcsally-widens-senate-race/1944844002/
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reminded me that I ran across this tweet directed to the Arizona GOP yesterday:
by artappraiser on Fri, 11/09/2018 - 10:08pm
p.s. also ran across this comment as regards some in the Florida GOP:
by artappraiser on Fri, 11/09/2018 - 10:20pm
Sinema is pro-choice, pro-Obamacare, McSally ran as a repeal Obamacare, Trump boot licker
by NCD on Fri, 11/09/2018 - 10:39pm
pro-choice, pro-Obamacare
well that certainly sounds like what all the analysts are saying is the plan to attract educated suburban female swings, stan.
Trump boot licker
Which John McCain and Jeff Flake were not.
It's actually quite surprising that McSally did as well as she did?
by artappraiser on Fri, 11/09/2018 - 11:00pm
over at The Guardian for something else, I see there is this piece on the meme by a liberal columnist that attempts at much more nuance in the analysis than we usually see:
Half of white women continue to vote Republican. What's wrong with them?
By Moira Donegin, Nov. 9
Some 53% of white women voted for Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential election – the real story of white women voters is both more grim and more complex than the figure reveal
by artappraiser on Fri, 11/09/2018 - 11:21pm
If you Google you'll find the figure is closer to 47%? (some Time article summarizes well) - exit polls suck, but once we get wrong data in our heads, it's hard to give up.
http://time.com/5422644/trump-white-women-2016/by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 11/10/2018 - 2:48am
" women often conform to the dominant ideologies of the men around them as part of a subconscious survival strategy " - it's called marriage for one - not too much "subconscious" about that strategy - we have joint custody of households, and we make compromises & meld opinions/worldviews as part of that shared destiny. When you live with people, you get accustomed to their worser attributes, and I'm sure that extends to voting for similar reptiles out in the wild.
Plus, I love how women are never assigned the agency of just *preferring* some things or maybe having conflicted choices. Instead, it must be "the man" always putting them down, rather than sometimes?
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 11/10/2018 - 2:58am
yeah I didn't like all her spin on things either but at least she was trying to say "look, it's complicated" instead of making them into a heinous enemy.
Your point is actually an excellent one the more I think on it, as the give/take in marriage is what's got to happen between parties to govern once an election is over.
If a woman wanted complete individual agency, she wouldn't get married. If one wanted true blue Democrat world, one would work towards living in a one-party nation where everyone agreed to the platform or else.
Back to the marriage thing, and the stereotype of Republican wives choosing a secondary role. Many examples of still tempering the partner a lot. The McCain's seem an excellent example, as do both Bush presidents. I think of Cindy McCain saying: we're going to adopt this Bangladeshi baby, and you're going to love it! Does anyone think he would have chosen to do that if she was a 100% submissive wife and didn't affect him to change his approach to life? Or a lot of liberal extended families have a Fox-News-spewing uncle character to ridicule. Do they ever think about how the aunt married to him gets him to even come to the Thanksgiving dinner?
by artappraiser on Sat, 11/10/2018 - 11:30am
It's true that the give and take of marriage is similar to the compromises necessary for the parties to work together after an election. But let's be honest about where the problem is. Democrats have attempted time after time to reach some sort of compromise even to the point where I think they are giving away the store only to be rebuffed by republicans.
Democrats tried to work with a coalition of republicans led by Rubio to come up with an immigration reform bill. It was so far to the right that I could barely support it. In the end I was willing to tolerate it because it gave protections to Dreamers. The far right would accept no compromise and despite Rubio's hard work to pass the bill republicans wouldn't support it. Republicans wouldn't tolerate any compromise with democrats at all.
I could list other examples. Obama practically bent over backwards to reach some compromise on his health care bill. Not one republican was willing to even try to work with democrats on it or vote for it. He came up with a grand budget compromise that was so far right I wouldn't have supported it and it failed because republicans wouldn't even consider it.
The liberals aren't running the party despite republican propaganda. The centrists that mostly make up the democratic party are more than willing, too willing, to compromise with the republicans. To no avail. Republicans won't compromise.
by ocean-kat on Sat, 11/10/2018 - 1:34pm
The whole thing is surprising. We're still a very conservative state and I expected McSally to win. Lots of rural red areas with a couple of blue cities. Anti-immigrant, remember Arpaio was elected sheriff over and over again. And Simena said some things that could be seen as insulting to Arizona. Some of it was Daily show jokes which I found funny but when it came out I thought for sure she was done. But AZ with a republican governor and state house did sign up for Obamacare and about a year ago I read an article about the large numbers of rural republican voters who loved it. Seems that with the constant sun with most residents out doors much of the time has led to a lot of melanoma cancer that mostly aren't life threatening but need constant monitoring and removal. Maybe AZ is starting to trend blue.
by ocean-kat on Fri, 11/09/2018 - 11:34pm
O-kat... Looking at the numbers...
Arizona Republic Published 7:20 p.m. MT Nov. 8, 2018 | Updated 2:15 p.m. MT Nov. 9, 2018
How many votes left to count in the McSally-Sinema race? Here's our latest estimate
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by oldenGoldenDecoy on Sat, 11/10/2018 - 1:53am
Struck me as a good example of the way to cover the Trump troll in general: just simply point out the overall behavorial patterns.
by artappraiser on Sat, 11/10/2018 - 11:40am
by artappraiser on Sat, 11/10/2018 - 12:20pm
Disloyalty!! Feld Marschall Ducey may find himself stripped of rank and Party membership if he keeps this up!
by NCD on Sat, 11/10/2018 - 2:25pm
by artappraiser on Sat, 11/10/2018 - 7:29pm