Turns out that many of the ultra wealthy pay NO income taxes for entire years— Soros three times, Bezos and Icahn twice, Musk and Bloomberg once. Bezos one year even claimed a $4000 child credit.
Turns out that many of the ultra wealthy pay NO income taxes for entire years— Soros three times, Bezos and Icahn twice, Musk and Bloomberg once. Bezos one year even claimed a $4000 child credit.
The 25 richest Americans are collectively worth $1.1 trillion. It takes 14.3 million average wage earners to tally the same wealth. The average earner group paid literally 70 times as much in income taxes in 2018 as the 25.
Here’s @propublica's methodology on calculating true tax rates as a percentage of gains in wealth by the richest, as well as relative tax burdens on average wage earners:https://t.co/9jTdrFfGqL
I guess no one cares that twitter is allowing a post based on hacked data.
I guess that no one cares that the IRS isn't keeping tax data a secret.
Go figure.
by Jeff (not verified) on Wed, 06/09/2021 - 7:57am
Um, I think they allowed the DNC's Russian hacked campaign strategy & messages from various advisors to Hillary, while Hunter Biden's laptop has just gotten a new round of public exposure this week.
And then Trump, who *should have* divulged his taxes & finances took years stonewalling government oversight along with criminal investigations.
Did those bother you as well?
But yeah, in principle tax records should be private. Then again, half the people on the list made their fortunes exploiting other people's privacy. Hard to stick to principle these days when there's so much nasty unforgivable stuff out there that invites ignoring the guidewires.
Its not in principle that IRS records are private, its the law. You, on the other hand have no principles to stick to so that's why you think its OK because the ends justifies the means.
If you can demonstrate that the "exploitation" of privacy was illegal or violated stated policy, you might have a point.
by Jeff (not verified) on Wed, 06/09/2021 - 12:14pm
Assange for a decade encouraged people to hack any government, and then he cherry picked the leaks based on his personal or conspiratorial) preference. I don't recall Twitter shutting him down. I don't recall Twitter shutting people down after the Fappening. I don't recall Twitter shutting people down over hacked Hunter Biden leaks. And Ukrainegate was extorting a foreign government misusing US tax dollars authorized for exactly the opposite, to defend Ukraine quick. No Twitter shutdown there either.
Assange held a well-voted Twitter poll over whether Hillary suffered from Parkinson's, brain disease, plus a couple other distasteful options. No prob. I posted an obvious joke that i hoped Trump got a rectal disease due to his continual diarrhea or something similar - Twitter shut me down for 24 hours, made me delete the post and agree not to do it again. Another account they shut down twice for months without ever telling me why - just opening it back up and said "a mistake was made". The 3rd time i never got th account back. This was during the presidential campaign, by the way, so I lost my followers for the 9 months.
So if you're going to quote some rules by some arbitrary new corporate dumbfucks, try to make sure you know what the fuck you're talking about.
Re: the IRS, yes, it's the law, and in general I'm for following the law, but when insiders shut down IRS investigations, plus when the rich game the system and rewrite the tax cod to make them 10's of billions, well, sometimes it's a bit like whistleblowing. The courts just sentenced a whistleblower heavily for releasing tax docs that it looied would be covered up as part of Barr's huge crimes as Attorney General, while crooks like Roger Stone, Paul Manafort and Michael Flynn got released, and that crook DeJoy mangled the postal service with impunity, and meanwhile the courts let the president run out the clock on emoluments as well as delayed normal tax oversight on the Prez, disrupting investigations for years. Lots of laws have been broken, Jeff. Cohen is the only one who paid for Trump illegally paying off Stormy Daniels with campaign money - and the FEC just closed it's eyes.
Now, think who gets hurt most by this hack... (a step considering the Panama Papers required)
Soros, Bezos, Bloomburg? Not the Koch Brothers? What other files were grabbed by outgoing admin officials…
by Jeff (not verified) on Wed, 06/09/2021 - 1:44pm
Strange, your link says Twitter backed down rather quickly. Was that the Twitter courage you meant to applaud?((sadly I didn't have this kind of insider push plus external PR to get my account restored)
THEY GOT CAUGHT, GOOD! EVERYONE KNOWS THEY ARE CROOKED!
I MADE TWITTER WHAT IT IS TODAY! BUT FOR THAT THEY ILLEGALLY BANNED ME AND SILENCED THE TRUTH IN THE FAKE POLITICALLY MOTIVATED UNFAIR VICIOUS RADICAL LEFT MOST HISTORIC OF ALL TIME DISGUSTING PATHETIC WITCH HUNT!
AND No thinking person could seriously believe MY Jan. 6 speech was in any way an incitement to violence or insurrection!!
The law never really stopped Trump, you realize...
NEW: The Trump DOJ battled with CNN for half a year to obtain the email records of @barbarastarrcnn and insisted it all take place under an extraordinary order of secrecy. It continued even after a judge told DOJ its argument was "unanchored in any facts."https://t.co/FMFJHUEw3y
A former government official who shared confidential bank documents with a journalist, sparking a global investigation into illicit money flows, was sentenced on Thursday to six months in prison by a United States federal judge.
The sentencing marks the end of a years-long saga for the official, Natalie Mayflower Sours Edwards, who worked as a Senior Advisor at the U.S. Treasury Department’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network prior to her arrest in 2018.
At the heart of Edwards’ case were so-called suspicious activity reports, highly confidential documents that banks are required to submit to FinCEN when they suspect that a customer is committing a crime or moving stolen money. The office and the financial data it collects play a crucial role in fighting money laundering. Last year, Edwards pleaded guilty to leaking records to a reporter, which other court documents identify as Jason Leopold of BuzzFeed News.
The sentencing order, handed down by Judge Gregory Woods of the Southern District of New York, requires Edwards to spend three years on supervised release after her prison term.
“A meaningful sentence is important in this case to impose a just punishment,” Woods said, explaining the sentence in a Manhattan courtroom. “She abused a position of trust and broke a law that was designed to stop criminals.”
After the sentencing, BuzzFeed News for the first time acknowledged that Edwards was its source for the roughly 2,100 secret bank reports that propelled the FinCEN Files investigation.
“Because of Ms. Edwards’s bravery, BuzzFeed News, along with the 108 media organizations in the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, were able to publish the FinCEN Files, which revealed financial corruption on a global scale,” BuzzFeed News spokesperson Matt Mittenthal said in a statement. “That investigation has helped to inspire major reform and legal action in the United States, the E.U., and countries around the world. ”
In court filings, Edwards portrayed herself as a whistleblower who turned to the media in order to expose misconduct within her office. She believed that Treasury officials had illegally stored sensitive financial data on U.S. citizens and that FinCEN may not have been providing full information to the U.S. Congress in investigating Russian interference in U.S. elections, according to a court filing.
During the sentencing, Edwards’ attorney Stephanie Carvlin said Leopold had “cultivated” Edwards as a source because she believed it was an imperative to expose wrongdoing and had exhausted the internal whistleblower channels, according to BuzzFeed News.
Since you think Trump committed crimes is OK for someone else?
by Jeff (not verified) on Thu, 06/10/2021 - 11:49am
Laws are being broken by the most wealthy.
In this case a news mag broke it open.
Is there more than just right-to-privacy here?
Last Thursday, President Biden vowed to make global financial systems more transparent so that individuals and organizations engaged in corruption would find it harder to “shield their activities.”
On the same day, a federal judge imposed prison time on Natalie Mayflower Sours Edwards, a former Treasury Department official who, by providing secret government documents to an investigative reporter, did more to bring transparency to the global financial system than almost anyone else in recent memory.
If Mr. Biden really wants to fight corruption and bring transparency to global finance, he should pardon Ms. Edwards. He should also demand that the Justice Department, when deciding whether to prosecute someone who provides journalists with sensitive information, take into account the public importance of what the disclosures reveal.
In Ms. Edwards’s case, the public importance of the information she provided was enormous. Starting in 2017, she passed thousands of government documents to the investigative reporter Jason Leopold at BuzzFeed News (where I was the investigations editor at the time). She said repeatedly that her goal was to expose wrongdoing after she had tried, without success, to draw attention to it through the proper channels.
Her goal was realized. The documents she provided ended up serving as the basis for hundreds of important news articles, including ones that exposed suspicious financial transactions made by companies linked to President Donald Trump’s former campaign chairman Paul Manafort as well as those involving Russian embassy employees. Most significantly, the documents Ms. Edwards provided lay at the heart of a collaborative investigation last year called the FinCEN Files, involving BuzzFeed News, the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists and 108 other news organizations that revealed financial corruption on a global scale.
Taken together, the articles exposed a dark truth: “Dirty money” — terrorist financing, drug cartel funds, fortunes embezzled from developing nations, the profits from organized crime — flows so freely through the world’s most powerful financial institutions that it has become inextricable from the so-called legitimate economy.
The prosecution in Ms. Edwards’s case, however, didn’t see her disclosures as a valuable public service. It told the court that she had committed a crime of “colossal” magnitude. After she pleaded guilty to conspiring to unlawfully disclose financial documents, the judge sentenced her to six months in prison — the maximum under sentencing guidelines — and three years of supervised release.
This is hardly the first time that the government has treated journalistic sources aggressively. Ms. Edwards’s sentence comes on the heels of revelations that during the Trump administration the Justice Department, in an effort to uncover confidential sources, secretly obtained phone records from reporters at The Washington Post, CNN and The New York Times..... https://t.co/KuVTdgi7Rs
What laws were broken by tax avoidance as described by the article published by ProPublica?
by Jeff (not verified) on Fri, 06/11/2021 - 4:11pm
Again:
What laws were broken by tax avoidance as described by the article published by ProPublica?
by Jeff (not verified) on Mon, 06/14/2021 - 11:39am
1) i think it highlights a distance lack of oversight by Congress and various administrations and an abrogation of duty.
2) while we've talked about the right of Congress to demand tax reports from any and all people, they apparently have not been doing this where it would form effective tax policy
3) instead the public has been led to believe taxation is founded on an effective and fair wealth harnessing strategy, when instead it's simply a huge scandalous pyramid scheme.
Of course these wealth hoarders didn't "break the law" so much - unless we count how many avoid audits by emaciated IRS departments - they simply have their minions in government write the laws to focus on earned income and benefits, while ignoring wealth offsets.
If BuzzFeed released hacked mails showing multi-million dollar US military arsenals were filled with weapons that were too weak to actually sustain a battle, you'd be less worried about "who broke the law" and more about "how do we fix this horrid security weakness and strength inferiority."
ProPublica has obtained a vast trove of Internal Revenue Service data on the tax returns of thousands of the nation’s wealthiest people, covering more than 15 years. The data provides an unprecedented look inside the financial lives of America’s titans, including Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch and Mark Zuckerberg. It shows not just their income and taxes, but also their investments, stock trades, gambling winnings and even the results of audits.
Taken together, it demolishes the cornerstone myth of the American tax system: that everyone pays their fair share and the richest Americans pay the most. The IRS records show that the wealthiest can — perfectly legally — pay income taxes that are only a tiny fraction of the hundreds of millions, if not billions, their fortunes grow each year.
...The confidential tax records obtained by ProPublica show that the ultrarich effectively sidestep this [taxation] system.
America’s billionaires avail themselves of tax-avoidance strategies beyond the reach of ordinary people. Their wealth derives from the skyrocketing value of their assets, like stock and property. Those gains are not defined by U.S. laws as taxable income unless and until the billionaires sell.
...According to Forbes, those 25 people saw their worth rise a collective $401 billion from 2014 to 2018. They paid a total of $13.6 billion in federal income taxes in those five years, the IRS data shows. That’s a staggering sum, but it amounts to a true tax rate of only 3.4%.
...In the coming months, ProPublica will use the IRS data we have obtained to explore in detail how the ultrawealthy avoid taxes, exploit loopholes and escape scrutiny from federal auditors.
...Experts have long understood the broad outlines of how little the wealthy are taxed in the United States, and many lay people have long suspected the same thing.
But few specifics about individuals ever emerge in public. Tax information is among the most zealously guarded secrets in the federal government. ProPublica has decided to reveal individual tax information of some of the wealthiest Americans because it is only by seeing specifics that the public can understand the realities of the country’s tax syste
Consider Bezos’ 2007, one of the years he paid zero in federal income taxes. Amazon’s stock more than doubled. Bezos’ fortune leapt $3.8 billion, according to Forbes, whose wealth estimates are widely cited. How did a person enjoying that sort of wealth explosion end up paying no income tax?
...He was able to offset every penny he earned with losses from side investments and various deductions, like interest expenses on debts and the vague catchall category of “other expenses.”
In 2011, a year in which his wealth held roughly steady at $18 billion, Bezos filed a tax return reporting he lost money — his income that year was more than offset by investment losses. What’s more, because, according to the tax law, he made so little, he even claimed and received a $4,000 tax credit for his children.
His tax avoidance is even more striking if you examine 2006 to 2018, a period for which ProPublica has complete data. Bezos’ wealth increased by $127 billion, according to Forbes, but he reported a total of $6.5 billion in income. The $1.4 billion he paid in personal federal taxes is a massive number — yet it amounts to a 1.1% true tax rate on the rise in his fortune.
The revelations provided by the IRS data come at a crucial moment. Wealth inequality has become one of the defining issues of our age. The president and Congress are considering the most ambitious tax increases in decades on those with high incomes. But the American tax conversation has been dominated by debate over incremental changes, such as whether the top tax rate should be 39.6% rather than 37%.
ProPublica’s data shows that while some wealthy Americans, such as hedge fund managers, would pay more taxes under the current Biden administration proposals, the vast majority of the top 25 would see little change.
The tax data was provided to ProPublica after we published a series of articles scrutinizing the IRS. The articles exposed how years of budget cuts have hobbled the agency’s ability to enforce the law and how the largest corporations and the rich have benefited from the IRS’ weakness. They also showed how people in poor regions are now more likely to be audited than those in affluent areas.
I’m working hard to find common ground with Republicans when it comes to the American Jobs Plan, but I refuse to raise taxes on Americans making under $400,000 a year to pay for it.
It’s long past time the wealthy and corporations pay their fair share.
I think the best question @BCAppelbaum raises here is the quiet dispute between him and Warren Buffett about the social impact of vast wealth passing tax free into charitable foundations. https://t.co/10N73dkwYF
Intuit Inc.—TurboTax's developer—spent $3.26 million on lobbyists at the federal government level in 2020 alone & tens of millions more over the past decades, including lobbying against U.S. taxpayers' ability to file taxes for free through the IRS https://t.co/kwQdFseCB7https://t.co/ilOLcTR5Dfpic.twitter.com/FdEvNiUZYl
As long as the government has something to sell, people will buy it.
by Jeff (not verified) on Fri, 06/11/2021 - 4:13pm
MacKenzie Scott can't give it away fast enough to keep the capital gains taxes away! It just keeps growing. Y'all do realize that is a lot of what is going on here? She gets to do what we can't - select where her money goes rather than Congress allocating it?
MacKenzie Scott, one of the richest women in the world, announced on Tuesday a third multibillion-dollar round of donations in less than a year. Scott who was married to Jeff Bezos, Amazon's founder, gave away nearly $6 billion in 2020. https://t.co/NVJDb2PnxH
Spanish media reporting that John McAfee comitted suicide in a spanish jail cell after he was cleared to be extradited to the U.S. https://t.co/FF1XYKWrb2
The Department of Justice has confirmed that the American tycoon John McAfee has been found dead in the cell he occupied in the Brians 2 Penitentiary Center. He was seventy-five years old.
Spain’s National Court has approved the extradition of detained antivirus software entrepreneur John McAfee to the United States, where he is wanted on tax-related criminal charges that carry a prison sentence of up to 30 years. https://t.co/4UAd2zdJxP
speaking of weirdos, I ran across a numerologist relative of qanon already working hard:
John McAfee has allegedly killed himself in jail (exactly 22 months 2 weeks after Epstein's death on the 222nd day of the year) having explicitly stated that if he ends up a suicide it means he was wacked. https://t.co/cGQeWvSnfM
Comments
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 06/08/2021 - 7:30am
I guess no one cares that twitter is allowing a post based on hacked data.
I guess that no one cares that the IRS isn't keeping tax data a secret.
Go figure.
by Jeff (not verified) on Wed, 06/09/2021 - 7:57am
Um, I think they allowed the DNC's Russian hacked campaign strategy & messages from various advisors to Hillary, while Hunter Biden's laptop has just gotten a new round of public exposure this week.
And then Trump, who *should have* divulged his taxes & finances took years stonewalling government oversight along with criminal investigations.
Did those bother you as well?
But yeah, in principle tax records should be private. Then again, half the people on the list made their fortunes exploiting other people's privacy. Hard to stick to principle these days when there's so much nasty unforgivable stuff out there that invites ignoring the guidewires.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 06/09/2021 - 8:40am
You are grouping apples and oranges (tee hee) together. Some things bother me, some things don't.
Twitter has a stated policy of not allowing stories derived from hacked material.
https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/hacked-materials
Its not in principle that IRS records are private, its the law. You, on the other hand have no principles to stick to so that's why you think its OK because the ends justifies the means.
If you can demonstrate that the "exploitation" of privacy was illegal or violated stated policy, you might have a point.
by Jeff (not verified) on Wed, 06/09/2021 - 12:14pm
Assange for a decade encouraged people to hack any government, and then he cherry picked the leaks based on his personal or conspiratorial) preference. I don't recall Twitter shutting him down. I don't recall Twitter shutting people down after the Fappening. I don't recall Twitter shutting people down over hacked Hunter Biden leaks. And Ukrainegate was extorting a foreign government misusing US tax dollars authorized for exactly the opposite, to defend Ukraine quick. No Twitter shutdown there either.
Assange held a well-voted Twitter poll over whether Hillary suffered from Parkinson's, brain disease, plus a couple other distasteful options. No prob. I posted an obvious joke that i hoped Trump got a rectal disease due to his continual diarrhea or something similar - Twitter shut me down for 24 hours, made me delete the post and agree not to do it again. Another account they shut down twice for months without ever telling me why - just opening it back up and said "a mistake was made". The 3rd time i never got th account back. This was during the presidential campaign, by the way, so I lost my followers for the 9 months.
So if you're going to quote some rules by some arbitrary new corporate dumbfucks, try to make sure you know what the fuck you're talking about.
Re: the IRS, yes, it's the law, and in general I'm for following the law, but when insiders shut down IRS investigations, plus when the rich game the system and rewrite the tax cod to make them 10's of billions, well, sometimes it's a bit like whistleblowing. The courts just sentenced a whistleblower heavily for releasing tax docs that it looied would be covered up as part of Barr's huge crimes as Attorney General, while crooks like Roger Stone, Paul Manafort and Michael Flynn got released, and that crook DeJoy mangled the postal service with impunity, and meanwhile the courts let the president run out the clock on emoluments as well as delayed normal tax oversight on the Prez, disrupting investigations for years. Lots of laws have been broken, Jeff. Cohen is the only one who paid for Trump illegally paying off Stormy Daniels with campaign money - and the FEC just closed it's eyes.
Now, think who gets hurt most by this hack... (a step considering the Panama Papers required)
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 06/09/2021 - 1:28pm
Your memory sucks are you where rose colored glasses.
https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/twitter-unblocks-new-york-post-hun...
by Jeff (not verified) on Wed, 06/09/2021 - 1:44pm
Strange, your link says Twitter backed down rather quickly. Was that the Twitter courage you meant to applaud?((sadly I didn't have this kind of insider push plus external PR to get my account restored)
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 06/09/2021 - 1:49pm
THEY GOT CAUGHT, GOOD! EVERYONE KNOWS THEY ARE CROOKED!
I MADE TWITTER WHAT IT IS TODAY! BUT FOR THAT THEY ILLEGALLY BANNED ME AND SILENCED THE TRUTH IN THE FAKE POLITICALLY MOTIVATED UNFAIR VICIOUS RADICAL LEFT MOST HISTORIC OF ALL TIME DISGUSTING PATHETIC WITCH HUNT!
AND No thinking person could seriously believe MY Jan. 6 speech was in any way an incitement to violence or insurrection!!
by NCD on Wed, 06/09/2021 - 3:41pm
The law never really stopped Trump, you realize...
https://www.icij.org/investigations/fincen-files/fincen-files-source-sen...
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 06/09/2021 - 2:30pm
BUT TRUMP !! BUT TRUMP !!
Your point being what?
Since you think Trump committed crimes is OK for someone else?
by Jeff (not verified) on Thu, 06/10/2021 - 11:49am
Laws are being broken by the most wealthy.
In this case a news mag broke it open.
Is there more than just right-to-privacy here?
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 06/10/2021 - 2:02pm
Once again you change the subject.
What laws were broken by tax avoidance as described by the article published by ProPublica?
by Jeff (not verified) on Fri, 06/11/2021 - 4:11pm
Again:
What laws were broken by tax avoidance as described by the article published by ProPublica?
by Jeff (not verified) on Mon, 06/14/2021 - 11:39am
1) i think it highlights a distance lack of oversight by Congress and various administrations and an abrogation of duty.
2) while we've talked about the right of Congress to demand tax reports from any and all people, they apparently have not been doing this where it would form effective tax policy
3) instead the public has been led to believe taxation is founded on an effective and fair wealth harnessing strategy, when instead it's simply a huge scandalous pyramid scheme.
Of course these wealth hoarders didn't "break the law" so much - unless we count how many avoid audits by emaciated IRS departments - they simply have their minions in government write the laws to focus on earned income and benefits, while ignoring wealth offsets.
If BuzzFeed released hacked mails showing multi-million dollar US military arsenals were filled with weapons that were too weak to actually sustain a battle, you'd be less worried about "who broke the law" and more about "how do we fix this horrid security weakness and strength inferiority."
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 06/14/2021 - 11:57am
Natalie Edwards, Jeff- FinCEN whistle blower
Because the authorities ignored the suspicious activities reports, and she tried to go through proper channels.
The truth doesn't want to be free - Trump & Giuliani & Barr proved that - but sometimes good people take the bullet for democracy and morals.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/10/opinion/fincen-buzzfeed-edwards-priso...
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 06/10/2021 - 7:21am
I suspect this tweet was inspired by the article:
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/09/2021 - 12:22pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/09/2021 - 12:40pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 06/11/2021 - 1:50am
also I have this from a while back:
by artappraiser on Fri, 06/11/2021 - 2:05am
As long as the government has something to sell, people will buy it.
by Jeff (not verified) on Fri, 06/11/2021 - 4:13pm
MacKenzie Scott can't give it away fast enough to keep the capital gains taxes away! It just keeps growing. Y'all do realize that is a lot of what is going on here? She gets to do what we can't - select where her money goes rather than Congress allocating it?
by artappraiser on Tue, 06/15/2021 - 4:02pm
death and taxes, taxes and death:
a reminder: libertarians generally don't like the situation of high taxes on success
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/23/2021 - 3:33pm
Quite the weirdo
https://www.dw.com/en/founder-of-anti-virus-giant-mcafee-arrested-in-bar...
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 06/23/2021 - 3:58pm
speaking of weirdos, I ran across a numerologist relative of qanon already working hard:
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/23/2021 - 6:02pm