This was the scene in Berlin, where an estimated 17,000 people defied social-distancing and mask requirements to join a protest supported by neo-Nazi groups, conspiracy theorists and others who said they were fed up with the restrictions.
"Thousands of covidiots celebrate themselves in Berlin as the 'second wave' with no distancing, no masks," she said. "They are not only jeopardizing our health, they are jeopardizing our achievements against the pandemic and the revival of the economy, education, and society."
Competing protests
DW's correspondent Leonie von Hammerstein noted that a counterprotest took place, with many citizens angry at those wanting to break the rules.
"The difference is the counterprotesters are wearing face masks, are keeping the [correct] social distance. Whereas the other protesters are not, they have been shouting 'the pandemic never happened.'
This is exactly what disturbs me the most about divisive protests at this time. Short term supportive peaceful marches were more than fine, they were non-threatening expressions of solidarity. But revolutionary tribal "us. vs. them" encampments are the last thing we need right now much less street attacks on popularly elected local governments, commonly owned property and street fighting.
While the overall attitude of the no mask protest in Germany contradicts "dugnab" it at least seemed a quite peaceful march, at least they weren't causing individual angry ruckuses like is common elsewhere. Feel the same way about pro-BLM, anti-police protesting.
Continuing to have even peaceful daytime marches after initial "message heard and received" though, is stretching it. Especially as there is the more powerful internet to agitate and organize for change.
I don't like the idea of employees we all pay for having to be pulled away to crowd control duties and cleanup when there's a pandemic going on. If it's important to do your protest during a pandemic you can at least do it in daytime and not make it a night after night noisy party or street fighting for months.
Still, no matter how it's done, the mere fact of doing it suggests your protesting takes priority over the pandemic that threatens us all.
Rather than blocking traffic how about getting into expediting essential services everyone needs? It's really that simple. Are the current protesters helping out at food banks the rest of the time?
The opposite of dugnab is tribalism without any common goal: my interests are more important than yours, fuck your burned down barn, my barn and land are more important than yours. Viruses have always loved that about us, that people won't stay home from work or play when they are sick.
We have Norway next to Sweden next to Germany, et al, all taking very different approaches, but largely accepting fuckups and successes, Sweden's deaths being the most problematic. But they're all competent efforts, within margins of choice. The UK Is just Incompetence.
BREAKING: Victoria has recorded 725 new cases of COVID-19 and 15 deaths, the worst day of the pandemic to date by both measures. A man in his 30s is among those who lost their lives. https://t.co/P3R3EGGAM8
Comments
by artappraiser on Sat, 08/01/2020 - 11:55pm
17k's tiny for Berlin
3.8m population + Potsdam, etc
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 08/02/2020 - 6:29am
A big number for super spreading, though, certainly beats Trump Tulsa rally.
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/02/2020 - 4:09pm
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 08/02/2020 - 4:49pm
Dugnab: Norway's social pact
https://blog.usejournal.com/one-word-spared-norway-from-covid-19-disaste...
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 08/04/2020 - 11:26am
This is exactly what disturbs me the most about divisive protests at this time. Short term supportive peaceful marches were more than fine, they were non-threatening expressions of solidarity. But revolutionary tribal "us. vs. them" encampments are the last thing we need right now much less street attacks on popularly elected local governments, commonly owned property and street fighting.
While the overall attitude of the no mask protest in Germany contradicts "dugnab" it at least seemed a quite peaceful march, at least they weren't causing individual angry ruckuses like is common elsewhere. Feel the same way about pro-BLM, anti-police protesting.
Continuing to have even peaceful daytime marches after initial "message heard and received" though, is stretching it. Especially as there is the more powerful internet to agitate and organize for change.
I don't like the idea of employees we all pay for having to be pulled away to crowd control duties and cleanup when there's a pandemic going on. If it's important to do your protest during a pandemic you can at least do it in daytime and not make it a night after night noisy party or street fighting for months.
Still, no matter how it's done, the mere fact of doing it suggests your protesting takes priority over the pandemic that threatens us all.
Rather than blocking traffic how about getting into expediting essential services everyone needs? It's really that simple. Are the current protesters helping out at food banks the rest of the time?
by artappraiser on Tue, 08/04/2020 - 1:31pm
The opposite of dugnab is tribalism without any common goal: my interests are more important than yours, fuck your burned down barn, my barn and land are more important than yours. Viruses have always loved that about us, that people won't stay home from work or play when they are sick.
by artappraiser on Tue, 08/04/2020 - 1:35pm
We have Norway next to Sweden next to Germany, et al, all taking very different approaches, but largely accepting fuckups and successes, Sweden's deaths being the most problematic. But they're all competent efforts, within margins of choice. The UK Is just Incompetence.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 08/04/2020 - 2:37pm
Lockdown in Victoria:
by artappraiser on Wed, 08/05/2020 - 1:37am