Yeah, doh, it's that "I have a dream" thing. It's the 21st century, wtf are people still doing tribalizing by skin color? We got all other kinda tribes now, you can even create your own on the internet. The internet doesn't even know you're really a dog (as long as you make sure your device's camera is not hacked, that is...)
I took it more that as soon as conditions change a bit, it works against him/them. Like a black guy with a white Parisian wife and a daughter - does he want her to be black, white, or just a little girl? Interesting that it's an ethnic Pakistani raised in the US who prolly has little to gain by worrying too much about his inherited religion and akin color vs just writing great journalism about whatever. Or JLo can get Spanish parts when they stop letting whites take them until Mexicans start complaining - will further fragmentation help or hurt?
I didn't mean to denigrate the nuance he gets into, it's great. I was just like: one can ditto this on a very basic level. Thinking otherwise strikes me as ridiculous.
Especially in a society where so many young people have multi-racial and multi ethnic genetics that soon the majority of answers to the race question will be "other". So many people don't currently see how once that happens it will really be the beginning of the end for racism, because there will be no data to back up any racial typing! All this emphasis on race by all sides is a last gasp reaction.
This is honestly what happens when your understanding of how power works ends at race. That lying white woman was in a position of immense power over Emmett Till. By contrast, Kobe was in the more powerful position over his accuser.
— Billy Porter’s Remote Control Hat Stan Account (@csilverandgold) February 8, 2020
Gayle King wasn't happy about the attention on 1 part of a long interview. One woman's response on the Twitter feed above re:her own abuse were rather poignant as well.
Calvin Cordozar Broadus Jr received a response from Susan Rice.
This is despicable,” she wrote. “Gayle King is one of the most principled, fair and tough journalists alive. Snoop, back the **** off. You come for @GayleKing, you come against an army. You will lose, and it won’t be pretty.”
Do we understand that the exact way journalist are being bullied into silence is the exact same way Kobe's accuser was bullied, blamed, and ultimately SILENCED into dropping the case? It's sickening! Kobe did not need to be perfect to be loved. His imperfection made him human.
Because post-kids I've been a great Dad, I must have behaved impeccably towards women in the decades before some female colleague met me and I behaved nice.
Thanks to #GayleKing for at least trying to bring up what people won't get.
The country became post-racial after the election of Obama.
There is another book by a black with a blond wife coming to grips with his racial identity. After the shock of Dolad Trump's election disrupting his post-racial comfort, he set off on a series of interviews with white Trump supporters and blacks who disagree with his optimistic view on race. The Trump supporters said they are colorblind, then prove they are indifferent to the status of blacks in the United States. Near the end of the book, he interviews the leader of a black gun club. He follows this up with a trip to a gun range. He briefly fantasizes about using a gun to defend his race. "What It Is" is another tale told by a black man in an interracial marriage dealing with racial identity.
If a white majority helps re-elect Trump, I don't see the country becoming post-racial.
The reviewer notes that while 85% of whites don't see their race as an important issue, 74% of blacks suggest that race remains important. He says that things are moving in th right direct. I expect he means the black needle will move in the white direction. It will be interesting to see polling if Trump is re-elected.
Williams solved his problem by becoming an ex-black man and moving to Paris.
The book reviewer talks about social policies as a means to address racism. This assumes that black in the upper and middle class do not experience racism.
interesting that the only person of color left in the Dem. primary race for president doesn't think we're post racial but basically thinks people should just deal with irrational hating like grownups, stop obsessing and move on:
This was definitely an interesting response from Yang and I'm not sure many other candidates would have answered this way. https://t.co/cy3I3pVTe5
Listening to the praise Williams receives for no longer being black, and the blame placed on ethnic minorities for wanting too much "stuff" by Fukuyama, et al., one realizes that all blacks have to do to be acceptable is become white. Of course, they are allowed to bring the blues and soul music after the transition.
We need white votes, so we can't require whites to make any changes. Ted will come around some day soon. White workers are hurting, so whites don't have to make any changes. Ethnic minorities are the problem.
I think the best plan is for ethnic minorities to complain and protest. The protest can be about wage inequality, voter suppression, or even OscarsSoWhite. Just give it time and whites will be the new minority.
As it stands now, new boss, same as the old boss. Know your place. You will be told when and how you can complain.
The island has a long history of encouraging residents to identify as white, but there are growing efforts to raise awareness about racism.
By Natasha S. Alford @ NYTimes.com, Feb. 9
[....] More than three-quarters of Puerto Ricans identified as white on the last census, even though much of the population on the island has roots in Africa. That number is down from 80 percent 20 years ago, but activists and demographers say it is still inaccurate and they are working to get more Puerto Ricans of African descent to identify as black on the next census in an effort to draw attention to the island’s racial disparities.
All residents of Puerto Rico can select “Yes, Puerto Rican” on the census to indicate their Hispanic origin. But when it comes to race, residents must choose among “white,” “black,” “American Indian,” multiple options for Asian heritage, or they can write something in. Most Puerto Ricans choose “white.”
But the Trump administration’s slow response after Hurricane Maria and other natural disasters has made many Puerto Ricans reconsider their decision to identify as white Americans, said Kimberly Figueroa Calderón, a member of Colectivo Ilé, a coalition of Puerto Rican educators and organizers who are campaigning for more Puerto Ricans to identify as black on the 2020 census. “We are not the ‘citizens’ that we think we are,” she said. [....]
I have moved on to reading a book called "Acting White?" which contains a section very early on titled "Acting like Obama," and I'm blinking twice.
— James Lindsay, one-dimensional tubthumper (@ConceptualJames) February 12, 2020
"And, yes, Obama was, dare we say, articulate."
It really says that. Why would a book based in critical race Theory, that I found in the references of a book TITLED Critical Race Theory, find cause to bring up that point in that way?
— James Lindsay, one-dimensional tubthumper (@ConceptualJames) February 12, 2020
— James Lindsay, one-dimensional tubthumper (@ConceptualJames) February 12, 2020
For clarity, all of these examples, like most of the literature, have reasons. The "articulate" comment was a scandal around Biden saying that word, e.g., but these analyses are always so tedious and, frankly, ridiculously tendentious.
— James Lindsay, one-dimensional tubthumper (@ConceptualJames) February 13, 2020
For instance, it devotes a few pages to analyzing all-white working lunch groups versus all-Latino, referring to denials of "racial bonding" in the all-white group. This is tendentious enough without bringing up that it's them who want to make race relevant in everything.
— James Lindsay, one-dimensional tubthumper (@ConceptualJames) February 13, 2020
Other (white) critical race writers bring up ideas like "white solidarity" in a similar context, which makes me wonder what kinds of white people they hang out with...
— James Lindsay, one-dimensional tubthumper (@ConceptualJames) February 13, 2020
But if you're going to impugn colorblindness, and especially white people who are colorblind—and they do, at insane length—and you also accuse them of having "white solidarity" and doing "white racial bonding," it's probably your analysis and approach that's the problem.
— James Lindsay, one-dimensional tubthumper (@ConceptualJames) February 13, 2020
more thoughtful speculation from Mr. Friedersdorf:
Arguably, a shift toward social media and away from mass media has made educated elites marginally more concerned with perceived wrongs in their immediate social circles, but that's speculative
Alternatively or concurrently, perhaps social media + call-out culture created the impression for some that one was doing one's part for social justice by being on Tumblr or Twitter
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Yeah, doh, it's that "I have a dream" thing. It's the 21st century, wtf are people still doing tribalizing by skin color? We got all other kinda tribes now, you can even create your own on the internet. The internet doesn't even know you're really a dog (as long as you make sure your device's camera is not hacked, that is...)
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 2:19am
I took it more that as soon as conditions change a bit, it works against him/them. Like a black guy with a white Parisian wife and a daughter - does he want her to be black, white, or just a little girl? Interesting that it's an ethnic Pakistani raised in the US who prolly has little to gain by worrying too much about his inherited religion and akin color vs just writing great journalism about whatever. Or JLo can get Spanish parts when they stop letting whites take them until Mexicans start complaining - will further fragmentation help or hurt?
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 4:28am
I didn't mean to denigrate the nuance he gets into, it's great. I was just like: one can ditto this on a very basic level. Thinking otherwise strikes me as ridiculous.
Especially in a society where so many young people have multi-racial and multi ethnic genetics that soon the majority of answers to the race question will be "other". So many people don't currently see how once that happens it will really be the beginning of the end for racism, because there will be no data to back up any racial typing! All this emphasis on race by all sides is a last gasp reaction.
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 6:14pm
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 5:22pm
Gayle King wasn't happy about the attention on 1 part of a long interview. One woman's response on the Twitter feed above re:her own abuse were rather poignant as well.
https://time.com/5780206/oprah-gayle-king-kobe-interview-backlash/
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 5:59pm
more on same victim olympics divisions noted:
by artappraiser on Sun, 02/09/2020 - 6:54pm
Calvin Cordozar Broadus Jr received a response from Susan Rice.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/02/susan-rice-snoop-dogg-back-the-off-gayle-king-for-kobe-bryant-question.html
Gayle King posted that she wasn't pleased with the clip of the Lisa Leslie interview CBS promoted
https://twitter.com/mwillmusicsoul/status/1225400312548253702
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 02/09/2020 - 9:14pm
Original segment with Lisa Leslie in abuse charges (as part of longer interview):
https://youtu.be/EazqWpWdgSs
Snoop, 50 cent, Boosie response:
response:
https://youtu.be/d3asEy7RSz0
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 02/09/2020 - 9:43pm
Because post-kids I've been a great Dad, I must have behaved impeccably towards women in the decades before some female colleague met me and I behaved nice.
Thanks to #GayleKing for at least trying to bring up what people won't get.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 02/09/2020 - 10:52pm
The country became post-racial after the election of Obama.
There is another book by a black with a blond wife coming to grips with his racial identity. After the shock of Dolad Trump's election disrupting his post-racial comfort, he set off on a series of interviews with white Trump supporters and blacks who disagree with his optimistic view on race. The Trump supporters said they are colorblind, then prove they are indifferent to the status of blacks in the United States. Near the end of the book, he interviews the leader of a black gun club. He follows this up with a trip to a gun range. He briefly fantasizes about using a gun to defend his race. "What It Is" is another tale told by a black man in an interracial marriage dealing with racial identity.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/a-black-writer-on-individualism-identity-and-indifference-in-trumps-america/2019/12/19/200a0f62-1aa9-11ea-b4c1-fd0d91b60d9e_story.html#comments-wrapper
If a white majority helps re-elect Trump, I don't see the country becoming post-racial.
The reviewer notes that while 85% of whites don't see their race as an important issue, 74% of blacks suggest that race remains important. He says that things are moving in th right direct. I expect he means the black needle will move in the white direction. It will be interesting to see polling if Trump is re-elected.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 5:52pm
So if Trump isn't re-elected we're post-racial? Good to know.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 6:02pm
We will be as post-racial as we were after Obama.
Williams solved his problem by becoming an ex-black man and moving to Paris.
The book reviewer talks about social policies as a means to address racism. This assumes that black in the upper and middle class do not experience racism.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 9:15pm
interesting that the only person of color left in the Dem. primary race for president doesn't think we're post racial but basically thinks people should just deal with irrational hating like grownups, stop obsessing and move on:
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 7:05pm
Response to Yang
Nah
Edit to add:
Yang can go fuck himself Fear does not excuse racism.
It is always ethnic minorities that have to "get over it"
By 2060, the country will be majority minority. Will the minority white population have to "get over" discrimination?
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 02/08/2020 - 10:53pm
Listening to the praise Williams receives for no longer being black, and the blame placed on ethnic minorities for wanting too much "stuff" by Fukuyama, et al., one realizes that all blacks have to do to be acceptable is become white. Of course, they are allowed to bring the blues and soul music after the transition.
We need white votes, so we can't require whites to make any changes. Ted will come around some day soon. White workers are hurting, so whites don't have to make any changes. Ethnic minorities are the problem.
I think the best plan is for ethnic minorities to complain and protest. The protest can be about wage inequality, voter suppression, or even OscarsSoWhite. Just give it time and whites will be the new minority.
As it stands now, new boss, same as the old boss. Know your place. You will be told when and how you can complain.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 02/09/2020 - 8:42pm
Why Some Black Puerto Ricans Choose ‘White’ on the Census
The island has a long history of encouraging residents to identify as white, but there are growing efforts to raise awareness about racism.
By Natasha S. Alford @ NYTimes.com, Feb. 9
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/11/2020 - 8:40pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/12/2020 - 7:18pm
P.S. Lindsay just found that Conor Friedersdorf of The Atlantic is on the meme too:
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/12/2020 - 7:23pm
more thoughtful speculation from Mr. Friedersdorf:
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/12/2020 - 7:32pm