Another $15 billion on The Wall is what is needed in this country right now. FINISH THE WALL! Trump yesterday:
On the Highlights of a Nation in Chaos List - now and getting worse for 3 1/2 years - high and increasing official lawlessness, government corruption at the highest levels, ginning up of hate and glorification of ignorance by The Party and the Barking Clown Cult Moron, statues being pulled down is not even on the 'can it get any worse' list. Add in a raging pandemic and economic collapse, and no national leadership to do anything about it but blame it on the WHO, China, Fauci. while the angry MAGAts blame things on miscellaneous state public health employees, who have been driven by threats to quit.
Any statue of a white man in Civil War garb on a horse is very much at risk, no matter which side he was on. Too bad about the lady, call it collateral damage, she was just metal anyway.
Looks like many institutions are undergoing internal debates
The turmoil coursing through cultural institutions around the country on the subject of race has made its way to the biggest museum of them all: the Metropolitan Museum of Art.
A top curator’s Instagram post that seemed critical of protests over monuments and the Black Lives Matters movement — shared on Juneteenth — has ignited objections by staff members, and a larger internal critique. On Tuesday, 15 Met staff members sent a letter urging the museum’s leadership to acknowledge “what we see as the expression of a deeply rooted logic of white supremacy and culture of systemic racism at our institution.”
The incident is only the latest example of how arts institutions are grappling with issues of equity and diversity amid protests over the killing of George Floyd and an intensified Black Lives Matter movement.
On Sunday, the American Museum of Natural History in New York announced that its equestrian statue of Theodore Roosevelt would be removed, having come to symbolize a painful legacy of colonial expansion and racial discrimination
On Monday, the Guggenheim Museum’s curatorial department in a letter described a work culture of “racism” and “white supremacy.” On Tuesday, current and former employees accused the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art of “racist censorship” and “discrimination.”
And last Friday, the director of the Museum of Contemporary Art Cleveland for 23 years, Jill Snyder, resigned after having apologized to the artist Shaun Leonardo for canceling his exhibition dealing with police killings of black and Latino boys and men.
Now, Met Museum employees are sounding their own alarm, prompted by a personal Instagram posting on Friday by the museum’s powerful chairman of European paintings, Keith Christiansen, who has worked at the Met since 1977.
Below a pen-and-ink image of the French archaeologist Alexandre Lenoir, who devoted himself to saving France’s historic monuments from the ravages of the French Revolution, Mr. Christiansen wrote: “Alexandre Lenoir battling the revolutionary zealots bent on destroying the royal tombs in Saint Denis. How many great works of art have been lost to the desire to rid ourselves of a past of which we don’t approve.
I’ve just read it as well. I’ve been a large-firm litigator for over 30 years, and I’m not sure I’ve read something this bad by a court this purportedly prestigious. It’s terrible, and dangerous.
This had zero to do with debate, it was vandalism An actual crime.
Not to mention MOB RULE (as in, ya know, the more serious crime of lynching) the mob doesn't like something the take the law into their own hands. Or, perhaps in this instance, they didn't even care that much, the mob just feels like partying and terrorizing the rest of the populace in the process, that they may just come and wreck something else, you never know, be afraid, be very afraid, we got powah now nobody gonna stop us
The UK has put up wanted posters on the net for those who threw the statue of Colson in the river., as they should. Cost the taxpayers there a pretty penny to put up protective construction materials and cover statues because mobs were acting out.
The Natural History Museum decision to request the removal on the Roosevelt was the result of legitimate protests and debate and institutions of government having the final say. In past years, those that vandalized that statue during a protest were charged with vandalism.
Are you against vandalism by mobs or not? There was no discussion here.
be afraid, be very afraid, we got powah now nobody gonna stop us
I don't support tearing down statues, but I can understand the frustration when the structures in place make it impossible to remove monuments to traitors. If there are pictures of the individuals involved, they should be arrested.
I am against a power structure that sends in military helicopters designed for war terrorize US citizens. I am against using tear gas to move a peaceful crowd away from an area so Trump could do a photo-op with a Bible. I am against the use of so- called government law enforcement officers who refuse to announce which organizations they represent. I think many people should be in jail for vandalism and terroristic threatening.
The people who targeted the statues are likely to face justice.
I would really be afraid if you were in powah. How much force would you use?
Edit to add:
Democrats should focus on police reform, health care, etc.
Who thinks Biden supports destroying statues?
Pelosi is requesting statues of Confederate leaders be removed from the House
Trump is ordering Confederate statues to be put back up.
Why change the focus when Trump is destroying himself?
They removed a statue from an 1890's sculptress when women couldnt vote or hold professional positions. They removed a Spanish Monk who walked 1000 miles to Mexico City to help Indians. They removed Gen Grant who locked the Confederates' ass.
So we only get statues rmrd approves of? That's a museum i'll také a pass on.
Where did I say that I supported pulling down statues?
What I said was that Biden and the Democrats are not being tied to bringing down the statues by anyone but the wingnuts.
If BLM, Biden, and the Democrats start talking about the attacks on the statues, they are bringing themselves into the issue. They attach themselves to the attacks on statues.
As it stands now, Biden wants to rename military bases and Pelosi wants Confederate statues gone from military bases. The military is banning Confederate flags. The battle is being won.
Trump is fighting to preserve the Confederacy. He is the one connected to the statue attacks. Trump is sending out racist tweets and exposing staffers and the Secret Service to COVID. Trump wanted to use the military to attack US citizens. Let him destroy himself.
Found one young woman who went on camera and suggested she participated in property damage. She said that she represented "several" organizations, not BLM.
If it was BLM directed, she should have stated that fact.
Edit to add:
We can deal with this woman and her organizations legally. Trump, Barr, et. al. do not feel bound by the law. The Trump administration is the clear and present danger.
It's a real tough linguistic twist labelling them as Confederates, because, you know, they were instrumental in forming the the union in the first place.. It is of course, because they were slaveowners. At a time when people thought so differently that there was not even a word for scientist. Every time a statue of either is attacked, I think: Trump wins at least one vote back.
Rmrd says "Confederate" statues. He doesn't mention the one that troubles most people: 18th-century slaveowners who otherwise accomplished extremely important and/or heroic things.
And then there's the whole nother category of just attacking statues because they were "colonialists." In like the 15th and 16th century. When everybody who was an explorer was doing it with money from backers who wanted to expand their territory. No other way to do it. What we call venture capitalist now, was colonialism in the old days.
US Grant was a slaveowner too, but ao clueless he was out working with his slaves, and then the 1 that somehow was his, not his wife's, he just up and freed, didnt sell. But dont matter, purity spares no punches.
From what I have seen, the Confederate statues trouble people the most. As I noted above, Biden talks about removing Confederate names from military bases and Pelosi wants Confederate statues removed from the House. Are you arguing that these statues cannot be touched?
I'm thinking empowering this protester to tear down a statue of their choice is not the most informed, democratic process for decorating public lands https://t.co/zbXrDCTrRT
Knowing a little about what they've been learnin' in college humanities classes, could mean backward all the way to zero. Erase history, start over.
It's not that funny actually, because they might have just lost Wisconsin for Biden.
IT'S TIME FOR JOE to do a serious "Sister Souljah" about the lefty statue brigade.It's really out of control and it is affiliated with "liberals" by those who don't know better. He needs to renounce them or lose again to Trump.
BLM also needs to denounce them or lose a lot of support they gained from the peaceful protests.
God only knows why both left and right see such powerful spiritual mojo and juju power in old statues. All the middle sees is a bunch of loonies who don't know what LAW AND ORDER and CIVILIZATION means, loonies who do seem to believe that destroying others' property without permission because they see an evil spirit in it is a good thing to do.
Yes kids, the Cambodian Khmer Rouge were wrong, year zero is not a good goal.
In case you haven't realized yet, most of Wisconsin is just now waking up to the vandalism news out of Madison. I'm going to take a guess and say it's not going to be taken well.
The Wisconsin poll, released by Marquette University Law School on Wednesday, finds Biden widening his lead over Trump, garnering 49% of registered voters to Trump's 41%. In early May, Biden stood at 46% and Trump at 43%.
Trump's job approval has ticked down slightly -- 45% of Wisconsin voters who approve of the job he's doing as president, 51% disapprove. That's moved from 47% approve and 49% disapprove in early May.
Three in 10 voters approve of how Trump is handling the nationwide protests over the death of George Floyd and police brutality against Black Americans.
Overall, 61% of Wisconsin voters approve of the protests, while 36% disapprove. Around a quarter of voters support calls to "defund the police," 70% oppose, while 81% a call to "restructure the role of police and require greater accountability for police misconduct," 16% oppose.
Under half (44%) approve of how Trump is handling coronavirus, 52% disapprove. Concern around coronavirus has decreased slightly, with 55% who say they're worried about Cpvid-19, compared to 60% in March.
Just polls. Scott Walker became governor on a recall vote in 2012. Ron Johnson still beat out Russ Feingold for Senátor 2016. Wisconsin Supreme Court disallowed mail-in voted 2020.
If Dems dont take back the narrative from statue-smashing hippies, we lose in November.
Are we just tearing down statues in general? Some cultures do that but someone should probably right up a theology explaining why. https://t.co/8L4EVxGJBJ
Explaining why...ah... She's just sleeping. It's a statement in support of the homeless who have no choice but to sleep in the streets. Homeless People's Lives Matter
I'm not kidding about the need for a "sister soulja" moment on this to draw a line. Trending right now on twitter, right now when I went back to the window: "Reign of Terror"
If Dem candidates don't start doing something about the gangs of vandalizing elite pseudo-educated anarchist brats catching the eye of the media every day with their antics, the are going be tarred and feathered as their progentiors. Smart BLM folks already know this and post videos lecturing them that they are not helping, but it's far from enough. This is really about "the black vote" it's stupid agonizing over worrying that one might alienate the youth vote. Many of these brats aren't going to vote anyways, or will write in Bernie or whatnot. But their elders (grandparents) that are upset or even frightened by what they are doing to the country will show up as they always have.
Instead of focusing on the pandemic, Trump has zeroed in on more familiar territory: waging a cultural battle over attempts to tear down statues and monuments that have become controversial
from CNN, June 26 "Measures to protect Trump from coronavirus scale up even as he seeks to move on"
"Everyone invested in how the elites of tomorrow are being acculturated should understand, as best they can, how so many cognitively privileged, ordinarily kind, seemingly well-intentioned young people could lash out with such flagrant intolerance." – me writing about Yale in '15 https://t.co/FY9qkNMgvI
I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND A WORD SHE SAID BUT HER ANGER HAS ME CONVINCED SHE'S RIGHT. HAVING SEEN HOW POWERFUL IT IS TO YELL I'VE DECIDED TO POST ALL MY REPLIES IN ALL CAPS FROM NOW ON.
1. I simply cannot fathom the basis for getting that angry about this piece from 1876. It truly was paid for by ex-slaves who wanted to memorialize the Emancipation. She goes beyond taking a statue like this down as something inappropriate for today's world and the messages one wants the community to send to something like this: if you could just censor history everything could be better; no one should know about this, these facts need be expunged. As I do not get my knickers all in a twist that two of my grandparents were actually part of the stereotypical illiterate huddled masses yearning to breathe free at Ellis Island, they were what they were and they are not me. They really were illiterate peasants yearning to be freed from the Austro-Hungarian Empire, after all. The people who paid for the Lincoln statue were ex-slaves grateful that Emancipation happened via the direction of a powerful white man,it is what is! If one takes the statue down, the facts of the matter will still be there.
2. In general, women's voices get higher and screechy when they are angry. But many (tho not all) men have this powerful tool: their voices get lower when they are angry, they stare down their opponent, especially a hysterical one, their posture steels itself, they seem calmer and more confident, maybe their nostrils flare is all. They can scare little children doing this--it's why moms would traditionally scream "just wait til your father gets home." Hysterics are counter-productive.
P.S. I can tie my two thoughts together with a third - put that statue into this context: at the time it was erected ALL women were second-class citizens and remained unable to do anything about that for another 44 years.
They stepped aside at Seneca Falls, but that doesnt mean suffrage a few years later changes that much. Property ownership, the rights of a legal person seem much more important. Though it's curious the women who held office *before* women got the vote. Mostly out West.
Like: how many points added back for being a defender of gays?
John Wayne was then the Hollywood legend, and I was on screen with him. The guy is an angel. He saved my life back then when no other filmmaker wanted to know me.
—Rock Hudson pic.twitter.com/icjFqhqRFl
Yay! It's happening all at once. Now do Dulles and the Hoover FBI, etc etc. And why was it even named John Wayne in the first place? https://t.co/0SFiUmnR4J
Then there's compare and contrast, working out a scale of evil:
While we’re busy renaming John Wayne Airport here’s a reminder there’s a statue of Klan member & recruiter Robert Byrd in the US Capital building pic.twitter.com/uSo34VZBTN
And Trump and RNC loving it all, say keep up the good culture wars work! Putting Russian bots out of business, lefty culture warriors don't need their help anymore.
Yglesias got this bee in his bonnet, always being the party pooper and tattletale traitor to the elite class which he was raised to be a part of:
What if I told you the core function of selective private colleges is to reinforce class hierarchies and there is no renaming or diversity initiative that can possibly recast the project as compatible with egalitarian values?
The #PrincetonU Board of Trustees has voted to remove Woodrow Wilson’s name from the School of Public Policy and International Affairs and residential college. https://t.co/rt17hfDCk2
I'm in favor of renaming everything. That will give the kids a hundred years from now something to do when they decide all the names we choose today need to be changed then.
It's probably off but just sayin. And warning that the state can swing very very easy with exactly this kind of culture wars stuff. I know many there would react very negatively towards that kind of thing. As in "what's this all hell breaking loose, we need law and order, people can't just do what they feel like because they're angry."
All the far left radical activism, it does very much worry me as to the Wisconsin vote.
P.S. There is also an overall deep sense of pride in the state's "old stuff", to the point of ridiculousness. They venerate like old wood, anything from the 19th century, it's holy. Wrecking old stuff is like sacrilege. They honor old workmanship. I don't know why, it's like a sort of inferiority complex to the older history of the east coast states. Even though they became a state quite early.
Jaleesa Hall lived upstairs of house burned by protesters. At the time she was delivering a baby at a hospital. "They didn't have to do what they did" https://t.co/u2xj4emexu
— JSOnline - NewsWatch (@js_newswatch) June 26, 2020
Uh, no, weird story with missing kids, suspected sex traffickung, et al, not really about Floyd riots ať all. 2 arrested tried to *de-escalate* because they wanted evidence in the house.
I really really do not like the vigilantist beliefs that the college kid protestors are pushing on the statues. I don't like the whole CHAZ thing either. I think it's very contagious and and I think it's very dangerous thing for our country especially during a pandemic. It is almost like this country is getting a mental illness as well as having a physical pandemic. I moved here in 1983 when Bernard Goetz was shooting kids on the subway and I don't like what's going on, it's really worrying me. And the fish does rot from the top, yes it does, lawlessness fully approved. Everybody tribal everybody scared of the other. No way out of a pandemic that requires solidarity, that's for sure.
The taking down of statues that are common property based on thinking they know better for everyone else what statues should be there and what shouldn't? Where does that lead?
And all the trouble in areas of blue local government, where does that lead?
as much as I despise cancel culture, it's jet fuel for @Quillette's popularity. June was one of the best months in the site's history, & we're now at 200K twitter followers. Many new readers are alienated leftists. Progressive social panic turned them into ideological refugees.
Yep. Refugee here. I have always been against vigilantism and violence. I refuse to allow our country to fall to lawless individuals; we already have that. Don’t need a new version. Defacing statues is not peaceful protesting. Cancel culture is against the 1st Amendment. So done.
Yup!
We have been driven out of the left. Our leftist beliefs remain totally unchanged but the left has moved away from us at the speed of light into some absolutely distopian fantasy.
Nothing wrong with the left, only that it has been hijacked by Maoist, Firebrand Trotski lunatics and post modernist goombahs. They shall be the architects of their own demise. Spewing an irrational rhetoric, they will sacrifice anyone not completely agreeing with them. pic.twitter.com/Q4RedVGPnX
Many liberals I know feel like they’re left out in the woods waiting for a return of sanity and actual liberalism, but outside of private conversations they are silent. Probably what a lot of conservatives felt like in 2015/2016
Cause: bizarre story of paranoid vigilantism based on rumor (kind of a flip side of the Comet Pizza story. where the police are lying that the girls were not there and are involved in trafficking them out of house, or what?) and empowered by other examples of vigilantism lately. Real stupid ignorant tribal paranoia turned into a mob:
After a chaotic saga unfolded Tuesday centering around two missing teenage girls and a Washington Park home suspected of being a sex trafficking hub, Milwaukee police said Wednesday there is no indication the girls were ever there — or that the house was used for such activity.
The girls, ages 13 and 15, were found by one of their mothers more than three miles away, police said, and have since been reunited with their families after interviews with investigators.
The developments come after a civilian-led search for the girls evolved over several hours Tuesday into civil unrest and a clash between a gathered crowd and police in tactical gear in the 2100 block of North 40th Street.
Left in the wake of the events were three people shot — including two 14-year-olds — plus 10 officers and a firefighter injured, a house set on fire twice and an unknown number of others hurt by the tear gas and rubber bullets police fired into a scattered crowd.
It was an extraordinary example of just how deeply rooted the frustration and mistrust in the police can be in Milwaukee's communities of color. Prominent local activists accused the police of not trying hard enough to find missing persons. Milwaukee Police Chief Alfonso Morales described the crowd's actions as "vigilantism."
"People have to understand, we have to allow the police and the firefighters to do their jobs," said Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, who stopped by the scene Tuesday night. "The police had been to that house earlier in the day, and the girls weren't there. And the firefighters need to be able to put out fires without worrying about their own safety."
But questions still remain about what exactly happened, and how a missing-persons investigation led to such an outcome.
What we know about how the situation unfolded
According to accounts from Milwaukee police and fire departments, along with hours of videos posted to social media:
Around 5 p.m. Sunday, two girls, ages 13 and 15, were last seen in the 2900 block of North 21st Street. They were reported missing four hours later, Sgt. Efrain Cornejo said.
Morales said police responded to the 2100 block of North 40th Street on Monday in reference to the report of the missing girls. MPD call logs show police twice went to the block that night, at 10:11 p.m. for a “trouble with subject” call and again one hour later for a report of a threat.
Police searched the house but did not find the missing girls. Multiple MPD officials said the girls did not fit the criteria for an Amber Alert and they were not labeled as “critically missing” because police were not given information leading them to believe their lives were in danger.
That rankled some members of the public who felt the police were not doing all they could to find the girls.
On Tuesday morning, a group of people congregated outside a specific home in the 2100 block of North 40th Street after seeing social media posts about the house and the two missing girls. Police were called to the house shortly after 10 a.m. after several people allegedly tried entering the home to look for them.
About 10:15 a.m., Vaun Mayes, a highly visible community activist, arrived at the scene, shortly after police. Perhaps two dozen people were already there when Mayes began an hours-long livestream video over Facebook, which soon grabbed the attention of several thousand viewers.
In the opening minutes of the video, he addresses the camera and spoke about the difficulty of “getting a missing person’s report going” and that community members had set up their own system via social media for listing missing people.
He said he went to North 40th Street because a home there had a reputation for housing missing children and he intended to help find them.
“People feel like the police don’t do (expletive),” Mayes said. “So a lot of this (expletive) is us taking our own (expletive) into our own hands.”
While police searched the home on North 40th Street, Mayes and others walked around the neighborhood, knocking on doors in search of the girls. When they returned about 11 a.m., police had left the scene and the crowd had grown larger.
Police said later that the girls were not located there, just as they had not been the night before.
Minutes later, members of the crowd began poking around the backyard of the house. Mayes is heard saying that people are again trying to enter the house. Three or four gunshots were then heard, followed by a pause. Then came six more shots.
Even before the gunshots, Mayes repeatedly made remarks about how a potentially chaotic situation was brewing.
“This house is going to come down,” Mayes said. “I’m telling ya’ll, it’s too many people.”
About 11:15 a.m., police returned to the scene and later determined that someone in the house and someone in the crowd had exchanged gunfire. No injuries were reported.
Over the next several hours, police established a perimeter around the house while the crowd grew in size and tension built. One of the people who joined was Frank “Nitty” Sensabaugh, one of the most prominent organizers of recent protests against police brutality in Milwaukee, who also began his own hours-long livestream video.
In his video, Nitty can be seen trying to deescalate things as the crowd jawed at police in close proximity. But eventually — it is unclear when exactly, and was not seen on video — police said members of the crowd threw bricks and pieces of concrete at officers.
Staff with the Milwaukee Health Department's Office of Violence Prevention, and its 414LIFE team, were also at the scene working to ease tension.
About 3:15 p.m., the perimeter police established around the house vanished and crowd members can be seen entering the home and breaking windows. One person ran up to Nitty’s camera, claiming that a bloody pair of shorts he found in the home was evidence of a child being harmed there.
By 3:50 p.m., police wearing riot gear and holding batons arrived at the scene and stood between the crowd and the home.
Police said they called for additional backup, but before it could arrive, the crowd surrounded the rear of the house and set fire to it, along with a nearby car and a couch.
Firefighters were called to the scene at 5:22 p.m. and had to be escorted by officers in order to fight the flames.
Just as they arrived, however, gunshots were fired from the crowd, injuring a boy and girl, both 14 years old, police said.
“We now had to go out there and do a rescue in the middle of an angry crowd,” Morales said afterward. “Imagine how difficult that was. Imagine how difficult that was for the Fire Department to put out a fire when there’s bricks and projectiles being thrown not only at the police but the Fire Department.
“This was a pretty chaotic scene.”
Morales said no officers fired a gun during the incident, but he did confirm the department used nonlethal munitions on the crowd. He did not specify what munitions were used, but Nitty said tear gas was deployed.
By 6:21 p.m., crowd members and police were still clashing as fire crews worked on the house. Nitty’s livestream captured shoving between the crowd and a group of officers standing in front of a fire engine until police used some kind of chemical irritant.
Nitty asserted that rubber bullets were also fired.
By 7:08 p.m. someone handed Nitty a bullhorn and he rallied a sizeable portion of the crowd to march with him, which seemed to largely quell the unrest.
But the violence didn’t end there. Another shooting was reported at 7:36 p.m. in the 4000 block of West Lloyd Street, near the scene. Several shots were fired at a vehicle, injuring a 24-year-old inside.
Then, shortly before 12:30 a.m. Wednesday, police and fire crews were again called to the 2100 block of North 40th Street when the house in question was set on fire once again. During the ensuing emergency response, police said three officers were injured by people throwing bricks.
It’s unclear when the two girls were found, but police said they were located by one of their mothers in the 3200 block of North 9th Street, more than three miles northeast of the house that was set aflame.
During his Tuesday night news conference, Morales noted that officers did not receive “the cooperation we would expect from family.”
The two girls denied ever being at the 40th Street house and ever knowing anyone who lived there, police said. No evidence of human trafficking at the house was discovered.
Social media fueled rumors
Rumors spread on social media as people livestreamed from the scene to thousands of viewers, sharing unconfirmed information.
Like a game of telephone, the details morphed over time: How many children were missing? Could they be in houses nearby? And what, if any, evidence was found in the home at the center of the conflict to support allegations of sex trafficking?
Police on Wednesday said many of the assumptions made Tuesday were untrue:
“The preliminary investigation revealed that no information has been provided to MPD to suggest that the teenagers were at the residence that was set on fire or that any foul play occurred at that location,” a statement reads.
The rumor mill whipped up a similar story in October in Milwaukee, when police were called to a home after reports of human remains in the backyard.
The allegations kicked around on social media were shocking: Five female victims of sex trafficking were buried in the backyard, some said. But after an extensive search — and hours of digging documented on social media by onlookers — police found only the remains of a dog.
Missing children investigations have long been a source of tension
Police did not consider the two girls to be "critical missing" children and said the case did not meet the criteria for an Amber Alert.
Under Milwaukee's policy, a missing person must meet at least one of a set of criteria to be designated as a “critical missing” and the missing person’s information distributed to the news media.
If a child is abducted — defined as unwillingly removed from their home or a guardian’s custody — that can trigger an Amber Alert, with descriptions of the child going out on highway billboards, sent to cell phones and put out to media.
An Amber Alert goes out if the child is known to be in danger of serious harm or death and if the police have descriptive information about the child, the suspect or the suspect's vehicle. It is not used for family abductions and runaways unless the child's life is in immediate danger.
Families of missing women and girls of color and activists have repeatedly criticized the Milwaukee Police Department in recent years for its response to these kinds of cases. Frustrated families have increasingly turned to social media and activists for help in missing persons cases, using online platforms to demand accountability when they feel ignored by police and media outlets.
Those search parties, often livestreamed for thousands of people to see, can be effective. In 2018, prominent activist Tory Lowe helped track down a missing 16-year-old girl who had been lured to Chicago by a stranger she met online and suffered weeks of abuse before being found.
The livestreams can broaden the number of people looking for a missing person, but it also can help rumors spread quickly and draw people to a volatile situation.
Families often have an understandable fear that their loved ones may have been trafficked for sex. Milwaukee has a reputation as a hub for sex trafficking — though the crime is vastly under-reported and there is no reliable way to accurately compare the scope of the problem across cities — and experts have said there is a connection between girls who are reported missing and those who are sexually exploited.
A 2018 report estimated that 340 young adults and children were victims of sex trafficking in Milwaukee in a four-year period, and about a quarter of those victims had been at one point reported missing from foster care and group homes.
Questions about police response
State Rep. Jonathan Brostoff, D-Milwaukee, arrived at the scene Tuesday afternoon after hearing about it on social media. In an interview Wednesday, he questioned why police responded in tactical gear and an armored vehicle. It inflamed tensions and was not effective in deescalating the situation, he said.
"They had all that stuff out there, and what? People still got hurt, buildings still got burned," Brostoff said.
Black residents' interactions with police are largely more negative and more violent than anything he's experienced as a white man, Brostoff said, and that's traumatizing for many.
"The mere presence of heavily armored police coming into a residential neighborhood, bringing tank-like gear ... it even further escalates the situation, and especially when there are other ways to handle this," he said.
And as the national conversation around law enforcement funding centers around possible alternatives to police, Brostoff said Tuesday’s unrest provided a chance for more scrutiny in Milwaukee on the Police Department budget.
“Having more money for those preventative measures, and less money for a heavily militarized police force that’s going to escalate the situation, cost more money, upset more people, get more people hurt — yes, that’s the conversation we need to have right now,” he said.
Mary Spicuzza of the Journal Sentinel staff contributed to this report.
Mayor Tom Barrett is a liberal Democrat, by the way. Since 2004, re-elected. Before that he was a U.S. House rep. for a decade.
And it's exactly this kind of lunacy that encourages the white flight out of town and continued segregation. (oh did I mention that the anti-gentrification thing is hot and heavy against a small number of brave gays who are buying and fixing up homes in the inner city?) It's just too loony there. No matter what people try to do to help, too many are mired in both poverty and stupidity.
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Women left out of new wokedom.
Once again (almost) all about the dudes, except to call someone a Karen
https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Article/CS2752
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 06/24/2020 - 8:04am
I think the government is starting to get the message and we'll see some changes.
What's the message you ask?
There's a statue. Pull it down.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 06/24/2020 - 12:14pm
Bye bye, Liberty. Maybe turn Liberty Island into a softball park, or a place to walk dogs.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 06/24/2020 - 12:15pm
Another $15 billion on The Wall is what is needed in this country right now. FINISH THE WALL! Trump yesterday:
On the Highlights of a Nation in Chaos List - now and getting worse for 3 1/2 years - high and increasing official lawlessness, government corruption at the highest levels, ginning up of hate and glorification of ignorance by The Party and the Barking Clown Cult Moron, statues being pulled down is not even on the 'can it get any worse' list. Add in a raging pandemic and economic collapse, and no national leadership to do anything about it but blame it on the WHO, China, Fauci. while the angry MAGAts blame things on miscellaneous state public health employees, who have been driven by threats to quit.
Any statue of a white man in Civil War garb on a horse is very much at risk, no matter which side he was on. Too bad about the lady, call it collateral damage, she was just metal anyway.
by NCD on Wed, 06/24/2020 - 9:33am
Then they came for Tina Fey
https://www.thedailybeast.com/tina-feys-problems-with-race-extend-far-be...
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 06/24/2020 - 12:18pm
Looks like many institutions are undergoing internal debates
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/24/arts/design/met-museum-staff-letter-racism.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage§ion=Art%20%20Design
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/24/2020 - 1:37pm
The Marauding Marxist Mobs roaming our streets is bad enough but the woke quislings who kneel and feed these creatures is worse.
by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 06/24/2020 - 4:26pm
Marauding Marxist Mobs
Now I think you're just making shit up for the alliterative effect. Poetry is meant to be in the Creative Corner
by ocean-kat on Wed, 06/24/2020 - 5:45pm
Victory lap delayed - sux 2 b u
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 06/24/2020 - 6:37pm
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 06/24/2020 - 8:47pm
I see your Talking Points here, Nonny:
by artappraiser on Thu, 06/25/2020 - 3:12am
What's your opinion?
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 06/24/2020 - 6:43pm
I think having the debate is healthy. The Roosevelt statue was not a good look.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/24/2020 - 7:31pm
TOTALLY DIFFERENT, totally..
This had zero to do with debate, it was vandalism An actual crime.
Not to mention MOB RULE (as in, ya know, the more serious crime of lynching) the mob doesn't like something the take the law into their own hands. Or, perhaps in this instance, they didn't even care that much, the mob just feels like partying and terrorizing the rest of the populace in the process, that they may just come and wreck something else, you never know, be afraid, be very afraid, we got powah now nobody gonna stop us
The UK has put up wanted posters on the net for those who threw the statue of Colson in the river., as they should. Cost the taxpayers there a pretty penny to put up protective construction materials and cover statues because mobs were acting out.
The Natural History Museum decision to request the removal on the Roosevelt was the result of legitimate protests and debate and institutions of government having the final say. In past years, those that vandalized that statue during a protest were charged with vandalism.
Are you against vandalism by mobs or not? There was no discussion here.
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/24/2020 - 8:09pm
I don't support tearing down statues, but I can understand the frustration when the structures in place make it impossible to remove monuments to traitors. If there are pictures of the individuals involved, they should be arrested.
I am against a power structure that sends in military helicopters designed for war terrorize US citizens. I am against using tear gas to move a peaceful crowd away from an area so Trump could do a photo-op with a Bible. I am against the use of so- called government law enforcement officers who refuse to announce which organizations they represent. I think many people should be in jail for vandalism and terroristic threatening.
The people who targeted the statues are likely to face justice.
I would really be afraid if you were in powah. How much force would you use?
Edit to add:
Democrats should focus on police reform, health care, etc.
Who thinks Biden supports destroying statues?
Pelosi is requesting statues of Confederate leaders be removed from the House
Trump is ordering Confederate statues to be put back up.
Why change the focus when Trump is destroying himself?
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/24/2020 - 11:32pm
They removed a statue from an 1890's sculptress when women couldnt vote or hold professional positions. They removed a Spanish Monk who walked 1000 miles to Mexico City to help Indians. They removed Gen Grant who locked the Confederates' ass.
So we only get statues rmrd approves of? That's a museum i'll také a pass on.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 06/25/2020 - 1:57am
Where did I say that I supported pulling down statues?
What I said was that Biden and the Democrats are not being tied to bringing down the statues by anyone but the wingnuts.
If BLM, Biden, and the Democrats start talking about the attacks on the statues, they are bringing themselves into the issue. They attach themselves to the attacks on statues.
As it stands now, Biden wants to rename military bases and Pelosi wants Confederate statues gone from military bases. The military is banning Confederate flags. The battle is being won.
Trump is fighting to preserve the Confederacy. He is the one connected to the statue attacks. Trump is sending out racist tweets and exposing staffers and the Secret Service to COVID. Trump wanted to use the military to attack US citizens. Let him destroy himself.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 06/25/2020 - 6:43am
Found one young woman who went on camera and suggested she participated in property damage. She said that she represented "several" organizations, not BLM.
https://www.nbc15.com/2020/06/24/this-is-a-revolutionary-fight-demonstrators-issue-demands-the-morning-after-violent-protests-statues-toppled/
If it was BLM directed, she should have stated that fact.
Edit to add:
We can deal with this woman and her organizations legally. Trump, Barr, et. al. do not feel bound by the law. The Trump administration is the clear and present danger.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 06/25/2020 - 9:25am
So you dont support pulling down statues?
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 06/25/2020 - 12:40pm
I support removing statues honoring Confederate traitors.
Edit to add:
Statues are already coming down.
The image of Trump is that he wants them to stay up
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 06/25/2020 - 2:53pm
Ulysses S Grant? Churchill? Pershing? Woodrow Wilson? Malcolm X? Buffalo Bill? Columbus? Rockefeller? Patton? Teddy Roosevelt? Marcus Garvey? John Brown? Ty Cobb? Lynyrd Skynyrd? Huey Long? Davy Crockett? Daniel Boone?
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 06/25/2020 - 4:11pm
You forgot: George Washington & Thomas Jefferson.
It's a real tough linguistic twist labelling them as Confederates, because, you know, they were instrumental in forming the the union in the first place.. It is of course, because they were slaveowners. At a time when people thought so differently that there was not even a word for scientist. Every time a statue of either is attacked, I think: Trump wins at least one vote back.
Rmrd says "Confederate" statues. He doesn't mention the one that troubles most people: 18th-century slaveowners who otherwise accomplished extremely important and/or heroic things.
And then there's the whole nother category of just attacking statues because they were "colonialists." In like the 15th and 16th century. When everybody who was an explorer was doing it with money from backers who wanted to expand their territory. No other way to do it. What we call venture capitalist now, was colonialism in the old days.
by artappraiser on Thu, 06/25/2020 - 4:26pm
US Grant was a slaveowner too, but ao clueless he was out working with his slaves, and then the 1 that somehow was his, not his wife's, he just up and freed, didnt sell. But dont matter, purity spares no punches.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 06/25/2020 - 4:36pm
From what I have seen, the Confederate statues trouble people the most. As I noted above, Biden talks about removing Confederate names from military bases and Pelosi wants Confederate statues removed from the House. Are you arguing that these statues cannot be touched?
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 06/25/2020 - 5:21pm
When did I label them Confederates?
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 06/25/2020 - 5:17pm
Oh the irony! Or maybe not...
A vigilante mob is a vigilante mob, after all. Whatcha support? Rule of law or vigilante mobs? It's kind of simple, maybe it needs to be, huh?
by artappraiser on Thu, 06/25/2020 - 5:01pm
Good theory with excellent example:
by artappraiser on Thu, 06/25/2020 - 7:31pm
Their motto: BACKWARD!
Knowing a little about what they've been learnin' in college humanities classes, could mean backward all the way to zero. Erase history, start over.
It's not that funny actually, because they might have just lost Wisconsin for Biden.
IT'S TIME FOR JOE to do a serious "Sister Souljah" about the lefty statue brigade.It's really out of control and it is affiliated with "liberals" by those who don't know better. He needs to renounce them or lose again to Trump.
BLM also needs to denounce them or lose a lot of support they gained from the peaceful protests.
God only knows why both left and right see such powerful spiritual mojo and juju power in old statues. All the middle sees is a bunch of loonies who don't know what LAW AND ORDER and CIVILIZATION means, loonies who do seem to believe that destroying others' property without permission because they see an evil spirit in it is a good thing to do.
Yes kids, the Cambodian Khmer Rouge were wrong, year zero is not a good goal.
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/24/2020 - 5:50pm
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by artappraiser on Wed, 06/24/2020 - 7:04pm
Where things stand now
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/politics/wisconsin-ohio-marquette-quinnipiac-biden-trump-polls/index.html
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/24/2020 - 7:26pm
Just polls. Scott Walker became governor on a recall vote in 2012. Ron Johnson still beat out Russ Feingold for Senátor 2016. Wisconsin Supreme Court disallowed mail-in voted 2020.
If Dems dont take back the narrative from statue-smashing hippies, we lose in November.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 06/24/2020 - 8:15pm
Wisconsin a major swing state as to who wins the presidential election in November:
by artappraiser on Thu, 06/25/2020 - 12:50pm
Hocus pocus religion:
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/24/2020 - 7:48pm
American Taliban?
Uppity woman shouldnt have sculpted that uppity statue in the 1890's. What was She thinking - like she's some Vanguard or something?
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 06/24/2020 - 7:56pm
Explaining why...ah... She's just sleeping. It's a statement in support of the homeless who have no choice but to sleep in the streets. Homeless People's Lives Matter
by ocean-kat on Wed, 06/24/2020 - 8:00pm
I'm not kidding about the need for a "sister soulja" moment on this to draw a line. Trending right now on twitter, right now when I went back to the window: "Reign of Terror"
https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Reign%20of%20Terror%22&src=trend_click
If Dem candidates don't start doing something about the gangs of vandalizing elite pseudo-educated anarchist brats catching the eye of the media every day with their antics, the are going be tarred and feathered as their progentiors. Smart BLM folks already know this and post videos lecturing them that they are not helping, but it's far from enough. This is really about "the black vote" it's stupid agonizing over worrying that one might alienate the youth vote. Many of these brats aren't going to vote anyways, or will write in Bernie or whatnot. But their elders (grandparents) that are upset or even frightened by what they are doing to the country will show up as they always have.
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/24/2020 - 8:26pm
This comment surprised me totally, that he gets it!
But then I thought again, that he's not just an expert at health policy but an expert at the politics of health policy.
Just say no to culture wars, it's the rational thing to do.
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/24/2020 - 11:46pm
REALLY people just really need to CUT THIS FUCKING STATUE SHIT out. The world has huge serious problems right now, it's starting to look like U.S. citizens are going to start suffering mightily in a few weeks and not just from coronavirus illness and deaths but a huge increase in fucking starvation and homeless on the streets Fiddling while Rome burns! Stop giving serious attention to these bored trollish lefty kiddies.They're trolling centrists who are already emotionally disraught about the world as they know it going to hell on a handbasket. It's the last thing people should have to think about right now.
by artappraiser on Thu, 06/25/2020 - 12:41am
from CNN, June 26 "Measures to protect Trump from coronavirus scale up even as he seeks to move on"
by artappraiser on Fri, 06/26/2020 - 11:21pm
How Tucker Carlson is demagoguing the statue stories:
by artappraiser on Thu, 06/25/2020 - 7:43pm
by artappraiser on Sat, 06/27/2020 - 12:19am
I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND A WORD SHE SAID BUT HER ANGER HAS ME CONVINCED SHE'S RIGHT. HAVING SEEN HOW POWERFUL IT IS TO YELL I'VE DECIDED TO POST ALL MY REPLIES IN ALL CAPS FROM NOW ON.
by ocean-kat on Sat, 06/27/2020 - 12:10pm
She has a trendy personal A/C cooler thingie around her neck - She must be woke.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 06/27/2020 - 12:25pm
I have two unconnected thoughts:
1. I simply cannot fathom the basis for getting that angry about this piece from 1876. It truly was paid for by ex-slaves who wanted to memorialize the Emancipation. She goes beyond taking a statue like this down as something inappropriate for today's world and the messages one wants the community to send to something like this: if you could just censor history everything could be better; no one should know about this, these facts need be expunged. As I do not get my knickers all in a twist that two of my grandparents were actually part of the stereotypical illiterate huddled masses yearning to breathe free at Ellis Island, they were what they were and they are not me. They really were illiterate peasants yearning to be freed from the Austro-Hungarian Empire, after all. The people who paid for the Lincoln statue were ex-slaves grateful that Emancipation happened via the direction of a powerful white man,it is what is! If one takes the statue down, the facts of the matter will still be there.
2. In general, women's voices get higher and screechy when they are angry. But many (tho not all) men have this powerful tool: their voices get lower when they are angry, they stare down their opponent, especially a hysterical one, their posture steels itself, they seem calmer and more confident, maybe their nostrils flare is all. They can scare little children doing this--it's why moms would traditionally scream "just wait til your father gets home." Hysterics are counter-productive.
by artappraiser on Sat, 06/27/2020 - 4:22pm
P.S. I can tie my two thoughts together with a third - put that statue into this context: at the time it was erected ALL women were second-class citizens and remained unable to do anything about that for another 44 years.
by artappraiser on Sat, 06/27/2020 - 4:47pm
They stepped aside at Seneca Falls, but that doesnt mean suffrage a few years later changes that much. Property ownership, the rights of a legal person seem much more important. Though it's curious the women who held office *before* women got the vote. Mostly out West.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 06/27/2020 - 6:05pm
Apparently the real deal is we just have to have patience while the Wokeness Rules are being worked out!
Like: how many points added back for being a defender of gays?
There's the "kill all past culture", Khmer Rouge year-zero style:
Then there's compare and contrast, working out a scale of evil:
by artappraiser on Sat, 06/27/2020 - 6:14pm
And Trump and RNC loving it all, say keep up the good culture wars work! Putting Russian bots out of business, lefty culture warriors don't need their help anymore.
by artappraiser on Sat, 06/27/2020 - 6:18pm
Oh, pretty sure Russian chaos monkeys thick in the mix whenever we slow down too much. Someone's Gotta stir things up - not enough just to boil.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 06/27/2020 - 6:24pm
Yglesias got this bee in his bonnet, always being the party pooper and tattletale traitor to the elite class which he was raised to be a part of:
by artappraiser on Sat, 06/27/2020 - 6:30pm
I'm in favor of renaming everything. That will give the kids a hundred years from now something to do when they decide all the names we choose today need to be changed then.
by ocean-kat on Sat, 06/27/2020 - 6:47pm
They'll just have QR Codes for everything. Words are overrated.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 06/27/2020 - 7:05pm
Such as with BLM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/28/far-right-thugs-exploit-bl...
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 06/28/2020 - 6:18am
At least they can't cancel Lenny Bruce
He'd know how to do the needed horse trading.
https://medium.com/applaudience/lenny-bruce-are-there-any-niggers-here-tonight-71c6cf9f2a2c
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 06/27/2020 - 6:36pm
But apparently a little pressure from the SEC after things like a NASCAR effect can do wonders in Mississippi these days
by artappraiser on Sat, 06/27/2020 - 7:21pm
Wisconsin poll. Is bias verification, of course, for my gut reaction to how a number of swing-voting Wisconsinites would take the statue vandalism:
It's probably off but just sayin. And warning that the state can swing very very easy with exactly this kind of culture wars stuff. I know many there would react very negatively towards that kind of thing. As in "what's this all hell breaking loose, we need law and order, people can't just do what they feel like because they're angry."
All the far left radical activism, it does very much worry me as to the Wisconsin vote.
P.S. There is also an overall deep sense of pride in the state's "old stuff", to the point of ridiculousness. They venerate like old wood, anything from the 19th century, it's holy. Wrecking old stuff is like sacrilege. They honor old workmanship. I don't know why, it's like a sort of inferiority complex to the older history of the east coast states. Even though they became a state quite early.
by artappraiser on Sun, 06/28/2020 - 11:56pm
not a statue, just someone's house:
by artappraiser on Tue, 06/30/2020 - 12:55am
Uh, no, weird story with missing kids, suspected sex traffickung, et al, not really about Floyd riots ať all. 2 arrested tried to *de-escalate* because they wanted evidence in the house.
https://urbanmilwaukee.com/2020/06/26/mother-connected-to-40th-and-lloyd...
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 06/30/2020 - 1:17am
yes I know, you didn't give me a chance to post the below.
by artappraiser on Tue, 06/30/2020 - 1:27am
I really really do not like the vigilantist beliefs that the college kid protestors are pushing on the statues. I don't like the whole CHAZ thing either. I think it's very contagious and and I think it's very dangerous thing for our country especially during a pandemic. It is almost like this country is getting a mental illness as well as having a physical pandemic. I moved here in 1983 when Bernard Goetz was shooting kids on the subway and I don't like what's going on, it's really worrying me. And the fish does rot from the top, yes it does, lawlessness fully approved. Everybody tribal everybody scared of the other. No way out of a pandemic that requires solidarity, that's for sure.
The taking down of statues that are common property based on thinking they know better for everyone else what statues should be there and what shouldn't? Where does that lead?
And all the trouble in areas of blue local government, where does that lead?
by artappraiser on Tue, 06/30/2020 - 1:38am
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by artappraiser on Tue, 06/30/2020 - 4:12am
Cause: bizarre story of paranoid vigilantism based on rumor (kind of a flip side of the Comet Pizza story. where the police are lying that the girls were not there and are involved in trafficking them out of house, or what?) and empowered by other examples of vigilantism lately. Real stupid ignorant tribal paranoia turned into a mob:
Here's what we know about the chaos that unfolded Tuesday near a Washington Park home
By Elliot Hughes Sophie Carson Ashley Luthern @ Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, updated June 28
Mayor Tom Barrett is a liberal Democrat, by the way. Since 2004, re-elected. Before that he was a U.S. House rep. for a decade.
And it's exactly this kind of lunacy that encourages the white flight out of town and continued segregation. (oh did I mention that the anti-gentrification thing is hot and heavy against a small number of brave gays who are buying and fixing up homes in the inner city?) It's just too loony there. No matter what people try to do to help, too many are mired in both poverty and stupidity.
by artappraiser on Tue, 06/30/2020 - 1:25am