This seems like very thinly-disguised retaliation against a prof for criticizing university policy, with the clear effect and likely intent of intimidating other would-be critics https://t.co/PmVnhb9RKe
Australian cartoonist Michael Leunig nails the problem with identity politics. This image is worth 10,000 words of social commentary. pic.twitter.com/n3xYtuWz8Y
Would like to emphasis below racecraft is everywhere in this country and especially:
We are obsessed with constructed census categories.
I'm a real believer that if we did away with race on the census, miracles would happen. Just like that a lot of the country's political problems would be gone. The impact would be enormous once politicians and policy stopped pandering to racial distinctions they only know about because of the census. Furthermore, it's just becoming more and more inaccurate every day as there are more mixed race people who don't know how to answer. If we have "systemic racism" in this country, race on the census is the cause.
This whole university stuff would cease too. The arguments would switch to where they belong - merit, economic class and gender, i.e., what kind of elite institution do you want to have...
I'd say that wokedom is a forced response to the unraveling of identity that previous generations in the US implemented. You had hippies casting aside their lineage and calling themselves stuff like "Ocean Light," their children don't quite have that luxury and want to know who they are. Everyone wants to belong and have a sense of who they are.
Of course their children have that luxury. How does "knowing who you are" relate to "belonging"? I met a Kazakh girl yesterday. I mentioned a Kazakh woman working at a nearby restaurant. She didn't care - her group was young hackers and the like - ethnicity had little to do with it - she's a global Citizen in this niche.
you seem to me to often project your own background experience into incorrectly interpreting elite boomer counterculture with an entire generation and time period. I was there, I wanted to be part of the elite counterculture but it was not dominant, you realize there really was a "silent majority" and most young people wanted for nothing more than having a life and culture just like their parents, a small suburban house and a nuclear family. Certainly 90% of my huge high school in Milwaukee was people like that, they even rejected rock music, didn't like it. It may have been different where you grew up if it was in a famously liberal rorthwest area, in most places It really was a counter culture and remained so until like when Clinton/Gore ascended to the White House. A presidential candidate who wore shades indoors while playing the sax and going on late night tv talk shows, that was a shocking announcement that the main culture had finally accepted the counter culture.
so to take that to your argument here - that would mean you are presuming the elite woke of today are ALL the actual biological children of the elite outliers of the boomer generation, that they are reacting against their own parents, and that both generations were/are able to co-opt many larger demographics somehow.
p.s. did you ever see Born on the Fourth of July? that one's a good narratve about what the main culture was like and how some Viet vets came to be part of the counterculture from their experience. the point: the counterculture was not dominant in any way! It was even rejected by many of its main adherents in the Reagan years, i.e. Jerry Rubin of the Chicago 7 getting into promoting business networking...
if you actually dig into the (stupid) census categories, you can prove all sorts of things countering the popular racial narratives, like this great new example:
"According to the 2019 New York City NYC Government Poverty Measure, 23.8% of Asians are in poverty by municipal standards. This is the highest rate of all racial/ethnic groupings" https://t.co/HHorZWtBWr
my point is: the census race question has us wasting a lot of time countering faux narratives, it incorrectly frames a lot of important issues the wrong way, people end up doing studies that counter it when they should be spending time on more fruitful research that would better help class-related problems like crime or poverty or access to education, or immigration policy. Sub-culture is not about race, it 's about sub-culture. Doing the same with ethnicity doesn't help either, because people can easily escape the ethnic culture if they chose to do so, i.e. Peracles Kazakh girl not wanting to be equated as part of the Kazakh tribe but with the techie tribe.
It's kinda racist to lump all "Asians" together. (and yes, same for Africans, tho i cant tell you if African cultures are so diverse - my bad i suppose)
People really don't like it! It's just that simple.
Edit to add: unless you live in Rwanda in the early 1990's, are Hutu or Tutsi heritage, and only have access to the radio for information, or currently live in Russia with little access to outside information
Jeez, Teradittoes or Petadittoes at least - you're like nursing a 1990s ditto machine. And Burundi deserved part of Rwanda's fame. Hope they've made some progress down there since.
Lots of good things will come from Asian-Americans being more vocal in U.S. politics.
But should experts really draw maps to ensure that Manhattan's Chinatown and Brooklyn's Sunset Park are in one district, just because both have many Chinese residents?
And supposedly "neutral" experts act on principles which most citizens in other democracies would find to be very, very controversial (if not perturbing).
When Ricky Gervais said, “I want to live long enough to see this woke generation not be woke enough for the next” ... it’s happening! It’s actually happening pic.twitter.com/sDoKouRxMw
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by artappraiser on Sat, 05/21/2022 - 1:15pm
Would like to emphasis below racecraft is everywhere in this country and especially:
We are obsessed with constructed census categories.
I'm a real believer that if we did away with race on the census, miracles would happen. Just like that a lot of the country's political problems would be gone. The impact would be enormous once politicians and policy stopped pandering to racial distinctions they only know about because of the census. Furthermore, it's just becoming more and more inaccurate every day as there are more mixed race people who don't know how to answer. If we have "systemic racism" in this country, race on the census is the cause.
This whole university stuff would cease too. The arguments would switch to where they belong - merit, economic class and gender, i.e., what kind of elite institution do you want to have...
by artappraiser on Sat, 05/21/2022 - 2:19pm
p.s. everyone born here is indigenous, deal with it.
by artappraiser on Sat, 05/21/2022 - 2:22pm
I'd say that wokedom is a forced response to the unraveling of identity that previous generations in the US implemented. You had hippies casting aside their lineage and calling themselves stuff like "Ocean Light," their children don't quite have that luxury and want to know who they are. Everyone wants to belong and have a sense of who they are.
by Orion on Sat, 05/21/2022 - 3:18pm
Of course their children have that luxury. How does "knowing who you are" relate to "belonging"? I met a Kazakh girl yesterday. I mentioned a Kazakh woman working at a nearby restaurant. She didn't care - her group was young hackers and the like - ethnicity had little to do with it - she's a global Citizen in this niche.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 05/21/2022 - 7:29pm
you seem to me to often project your own background experience into incorrectly interpreting elite boomer counterculture with an entire generation and time period. I was there, I wanted to be part of the elite counterculture but it was not dominant, you realize there really was a "silent majority" and most young people wanted for nothing more than having a life and culture just like their parents, a small suburban house and a nuclear family. Certainly 90% of my huge high school in Milwaukee was people like that, they even rejected rock music, didn't like it. It may have been different where you grew up if it was in a famously liberal rorthwest area, in most places It really was a counter culture and remained so until like when Clinton/Gore ascended to the White House. A presidential candidate who wore shades indoors while playing the sax and going on late night tv talk shows, that was a shocking announcement that the main culture had finally accepted the counter culture.
so to take that to your argument here - that would mean you are presuming the elite woke of today are ALL the actual biological children of the elite outliers of the boomer generation, that they are reacting against their own parents, and that both generations were/are able to co-opt many larger demographics somehow.
by artappraiser on Sun, 05/22/2022 - 5:04pm
p.s. did you ever see Born on the Fourth of July? that one's a good narratve about what the main culture was like and how some Viet vets came to be part of the counterculture from their experience. the point: the counterculture was not dominant in any way! It was even rejected by many of its main adherents in the Reagan years, i.e. Jerry Rubin of the Chicago 7 getting into promoting business networking...
by artappraiser on Sun, 05/22/2022 - 5:11pm
if you actually dig into the (stupid) census categories, you can prove all sorts of things countering the popular racial narratives, like this great new example:
my point is: the census race question has us wasting a lot of time countering faux narratives, it incorrectly frames a lot of important issues the wrong way, people end up doing studies that counter it when they should be spending time on more fruitful research that would better help class-related problems like crime or poverty or access to education, or immigration policy. Sub-culture is not about race, it 's about sub-culture. Doing the same with ethnicity doesn't help either, because people can easily escape the ethnic culture if they chose to do so, i.e. Peracles Kazakh girl not wanting to be equated as part of the Kazakh tribe but with the techie tribe.
by artappraiser on Sun, 05/22/2022 - 4:46pm
It's kinda racist to lump all "Asians" together. (and yes, same for Africans, tho i cant tell you if African cultures are so diverse - my bad i suppose)
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 05/22/2022 - 5:19pm
Megadittoes (does anyone use that anymore?) and I am reminded I did a whole thread of the counter-productivity as far as politics is concerned:
RACIALIZING A POLICY ISSUE IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE IN U.S. POLITICS
People really don't like it! It's just that simple.
Edit to add: unless you live in Rwanda in the early 1990's, are Hutu or Tutsi heritage, and only have access to the radio for information, or currently live in Russia with little access to outside information
by artappraiser on Sun, 05/22/2022 - 5:54pm
Jeez, Teradittoes or Petadittoes at least - you're like nursing a 1990s ditto machine. And Burundi deserved part of Rwanda's fame. Hope they've made some progress down there since.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 05/22/2022 - 8:13pm
by artappraiser on Sat, 05/21/2022 - 1:22pm
oh god, praying for this to be true, would be so nice that it mostly returns to college students only
by artappraiser on Sun, 05/22/2022 - 4:35pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/24/2022 - 9:33am