MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Belarus Thread
By PeraclesPlease on Mon, 08/10/2020 - 10:35am |Belarus upheaval continued from here: http://dagblog.com/comment/286766#comment-286766
US gov's Anti-immigrant racket here: http://dagblog.com/comment/286798#comment-286798
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by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 08/10/2020 - 5:42pm
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 08/10/2020 - 5:57pm
Heart of Darkness
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 08/11/2020 - 8:38am
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 08/11/2020 - 12:55am
So who should we be rootin' for PP? Real question.
by A Guy Called LULU on Tue, 08/11/2020 - 1:42am
Says something about you
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/26/belarus-svetlana-tikhanovskaya-unseat-alexander-lukashenko
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 08/11/2020 - 2:05am
Svetlana forced statement?
(Husband's a prisoner)
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 08/11/2020 - 6:29am
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 08/11/2020 - 6:35am
Russia/Belarus pretend protecting Svetlana from assassination, forced her out of country.
https://ukrainetoday.org/2020/08/10/the-kgb-of-belarus-announced-the-prevention-of-the-assassination-attempt-on-svetlana-tikhanovskaya/
https://interfax.com/newsroom/top-stories/69519/
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 08/11/2020 - 10:29am
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 08/11/2020 - 12:11pm
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 08/11/2020 - 12:12pm
Is really not too much to ask to just not show support?
by artappraiser on Tue, 08/11/2020 - 1:54pm
Trump's campaign manager Manafort was a corrupt political fixer who helped literally lock up Yulia Tymoshenko. Trump Is notorious for hating strong women, such as recalling our Ukrainian Ambassador So he could extoet the Ukrainian president. Trump and Lukashenko would be soulmates, if they had souls. Expect nothing good from him.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 08/11/2020 - 4:49pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 08/11/2020 - 1:58pm
Interesting to see callout of lefty hypocrisy here, have seen a couple of other tweets like this:
The whole world gets all agitated by George Floyd, I guess because it is the fall of hope if the U.S. isn't perfect? Same with Hong Kong, lots of interest in that because it was a "first world" beacon?
No one even mentions Syria and Venezuela anymore, it's like they are truly lost cause, just write them off? Lebanon, eh, they were created to suffer?
by artappraiser on Tue, 08/11/2020 - 2:11pm
Floyd caught fire because he was the 3rd black abuse video to hit in May (some Breonna and Aubrey developments). Hong Kong was a British colony. When 3000 Parisian died in a heatwave in 2005, it was the conservative thing to laugh about it. A bomb scare on a bridge in Baghdad caused 200 people to be trampled or leap to their death - And barely made Western news. Yes, we're insular bastards.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 08/11/2020 - 4:59pm
Lithuania's minister of foreign affairs:
by artappraiser on Wed, 08/12/2020 - 12:02pm
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 08/13/2020 - 12:19am
he is citing behavior somewhat different from like, Portland:
by artappraiser on Fri, 08/14/2020 - 12:42am
by artappraiser on Fri, 08/14/2020 - 12:06pm
now this reminds me of Moscow 1991
by artappraiser on Fri, 08/14/2020 - 12:41pm
Lukashenko v Lysistrata
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/14/women-belarus-take-protest...
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 08/14/2020 - 1:46pm
Tichanovskaya back in saddle
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/14/belarusian-opposition-cand...
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 08/14/2020 - 4:05pm
Belarus frees Russian agitators
https://www.rferl.org/a/kyiv-angry-over-belarus-release-of-alleged-russi...
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 08/16/2020 - 5:58am
CNN missed the point - Putin not popular in Belarus.
And Ukraine survived Donbas. Crimea less fortunate.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/13/opinions/putin-expansion-belarus-ukra...
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 08/16/2020 - 2:21pm
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/16/2020 - 5:24pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 2:19am
Trying to think of what is so striking here: no signs and they are very orderly, though lots of noise, staying on the sidewalk, not marching, walking. Very solemn stuff, like going to church.
Edit to add: no children that I can see.
by artappraiser on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 12:48pm
doh, I did not think of this, my bad:
by artappraiser on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 12:51pm
100 cases/day for 9.5m ppl?
Not so dangerous
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 1:24pm
not a mask in sight:
by artappraiser on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 1:32pm
73 new infections yesterday in Belarus, 2-4 deaths a day.
Montana is doing worse with 1/10th the population, and no dictator to challenge.
I'm all for masks, but the danger of a 25-year dictator and his militarized thugs are worse than the likely worst case chance that they get up to 400 infections a day with 10 dead per day. Maybe. This isnt Florida, and protests hopefully of less than 1 month arent the same as much more universal careless behavior lasting 6 months. Plus the protests are outside, which Is much much less contagious than the unabated inside shopping and other activities in Florida. (the current virulence also seems much less than what hit New York and Italy at the beginning)
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 2:20pm
chart:
by artappraiser on Tue, 08/18/2020 - 12:13pm
A reminder bagpipes were not only musical & signalling devices, but designed to scare the shit out of the enemy.
Something's coming.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 08/19/2020 - 4:45am
wow, that's really neat. I just heard some talking head on MSNBC give a report said at the end that they are bound and determined to make it a peaceful revolution, but I wasn't paying attention to what he was basing that on.
But again, since I was just on that French partying thread, I also notice: no masks. They don't have a Covid problem?!
It's getting easier to see why some people think Covid is a Bill Gates conspiracy!
Back to their main issue. I haven't read that much on it but I've noticed stuff like this
If they stay peaceful, Putin may be happy to have Lukashenko go. Try to avoid unnecessary quagmire? His first point is quite striking
Putin is not a stupid narcissist like Trump. Why not off a Lukashenko to have the friendly relations with most of a population? Could even be sending help for the overthrow, you never know.
by artappraiser on Wed, 08/19/2020 - 10:08am
Now 90 cases/day w 3 dead for 9.5m ppl?
Not so dangerous, nothing near as bad as Lukashenko or the police, or the gray reality of their repressed land
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 08/19/2020 - 10:32am
6) Donbas has largely been a failure (with shooting down of Malaysian plane, little gain in territory, loss of any western sympathy for the Russian-speaking minority), and Russia then taking Crimea and helping lock up Yulia Tymoshenko means no one in Belarus will trust Putin ever. Also, while Crimea has largely been a precious money drain for Putin, they at least stole the Azov Sea and built a warmer water port. Belarus? what could Putin want? Russia already borders Estonia & Latvia plus has Kaliningrad by Poland, so getting landlocked Belarus to butt up against Poland is no further strategic advantage. Just a semi-nice beach on the Black Sea (when they already had Sochi) that Putin had to build a $4 billion rail bridge to. Meanwhile, those sanctions.... So no, Belarus doesnt offer very much to Vlad.
Oh yeah, Belarus is only 9 million people - and they get energy at a heavy discount from Russia. 45% of Belarus exports go to Russia, and that won't change - minerals & agriculture products. GDP per capita sees twice as high as Ukraine's, but since Ukraine has a much larger economy - $150billion vs $60 billion - there's also more corruption & big deals to be part of. So however much the talk about those Russian-speaking lands, pretty sure Putin's just counting how many rubles can be had, or how much it'll cost him.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 08/24/2020 - 9:35am
Putin could want a uniform like Lukashenko's and Belo medals (add in the cool hat ?)
by NCD on Mon, 08/24/2020 - 11:48am
The girls just love to see him shoot
https://youtu.be/DLnIf0JjszY
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 08/24/2020 - 2:51pm
Minsk turns out
https://www.rferl.org/a/30798061.html
And...
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 08/23/2020 - 9:51am
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/23/2020 - 2:09pm
How to do police state seriously. Get up off the fucking ground. It's ike the song All along the watchtower. Ain't for nothing many large older homes west of the Mississippi have a little one on top, to watch for maurauders...the king in his castle thing, here literally..
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/23/2020 - 2:54pm
background to what really happened:
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/23/2020 - 5:02pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 08/24/2020 - 1:41am