From Ryan Goodman Former Special Counsel @DeptofDefense Co-editor-in-chief @just_security; Chaired Professor NYU Law; Former Chaired Professor Harvard Law; Co-director @RCLS_NYU
New videos (taken from Parler) show specific chain of events
Starts with: Trump’s statements to supporters about @Mike_Pence
Leads to: violent threats to the Vice President during siege of Capitol.
McConnell joins many Republicans in voting to keep alive the procedural motion to question the constitutionality of the trial proceedings. He sided with Rand Paul
Per his office: "This evening, Senator Leahy was in his Capitol office and was not feeling well. He was examined in the Capitol by the Attending Physician. Out of an abundance of caution, the Attending Physician recommended that he be taken to a local hospital for observation"
UPDATE via Leahy's spokesman: "After getting test results back, and after a thorough examination, Senator Leahy now is home. He looks forward to getting back to work.
"Patrick and Marcelle deeply appreciate the well wishes they have received tonight."
So with 45 Republicans now on record saying that the impeachment trial is unconstitutional, that would seem to end much if any suspense over the outcome of the upcoming trial, right?
Mostly but not entirely. More damning evidence may emerge that would make a no vote more difficult. And some of those saying it is unconstitutional could stay away from the vote, making the 2/3rds threshold lower.
If the GOP Senators declare that the process is not "constitutional", refusing to participate would be a censure of the House putting forth the articles in the first place. I can't find the place in the Constitution where such a censure is a thing. That absurdity is especially absurd after being sworn in as a jury. If they had an ounce of courage, refusing to participate would have forbade them from taking the oath.
Since the GOP has checked out on the whole process, I would like to see the other half ram this through as quickly as possible. They have jobs cleaning up the mess left by the previous administration that require immediate attention.
Keep the rhetoric short and push the evidence in hand. When the quislings start to prevaricate, demand a vote. One and done.
The senators say censuring Trump is optimal given GOP objections to impeachment.
By Trish Turner and Allison Pecorin Today, 5:44 PM EST @ ABCNews.com
[....] Sens. Tim Kaine, D-Va., and Susan Collins, R-Maine, are crafting a resolution to censure Trump for inciting the Jan. 6 riot that left five dead, including a Capitol police officer. But it is not just any censure resolution. Sen. Chris Coons, D-Del., told reporters Tuesday that what Kaine and Collins are looking to do is “include the elements of the 14th Amendment that lead to disqualification from future office."
"That's intriguing to me and something I'm willing to look at. The bottom line here is we have to deliver accountability for the events of January 6,” Coons said.
That accountability -- through an impeachment trial, and a vote afterward to disqualify Trump from holding future office -- looked far less likely on Monday after 45 Republicans voted for a measure claiming that such a proceeding against a former president would be unconstitutional. Just five Republicans -- including Collins -- joined with Democrats in opposing the declaration, far short of the 67 votes needed to convict the president of “incitement of insurrection,” the charge in the House impeachment article.
Censure resolutions against presidents do not have the force of law but are a strong reprimand from one or both houses of Congress. It is unclear, however, what the possible inclusion of language from Section 3 of the 14th Amendment might mean [....]
Cool, telling the weirdly paranoid disenfranchised that their leader is unwanted and disapproved of will do a heckuva lot of good. I bet Trump will even learn from that - Susan Collins may even sign in. BTW, the Bundy's are back.
Between the anger of the judge remanding the Pelosi squatter, and the resistance of the judge to overhyping the mistake Clinesmith made, the legal world ilseems to be returning to sanity.
Whether Congress follows suit is different story... But the impeachment evidence sure is gathering up.
Bannon, who was talking to Trump ahead of his departure from DC and the day Trump went back and forth on pardoning him, is encouraging him to go to the senate himself. “He’s the only one who can sell it.”
The Borowitz Report: Donald Trump bestowed the degree upon himself in his capacity as the dean of the Trump University School of Law, where he graduated first in his class. https://t.co/E6mc2zSUri
.@seanilling: What’s the biggest lesson for people like Cruz or Hawley…?@jasonintrator: That there are no restraints, no punishments, no accountability. That you can go much further than you ever thought possible in seizing power in the United States.https://t.co/zHOvCp2JBh
now I see Wasow's been thinking on this for several days, where it fits in our history and how we operate, and including the possible remedies:
Striking how the outside-the-system vigilante wing of the far-right are being arrested and charged with serious crimes while inside-the-system elected officials who encouraged vigilante violence are living their best lives & have faced almost no social or political consequences.
What’s the professional price for endorsing violence against your political opponents and calling deadly school shootings ”‘false-flag’ operations”? A seat on the House education committee and continued support from many big donors. https://t.co/Vm7VVVSoeu
Drawing on research by @daschloz & @sam_rosenfeld, @ThePlumLineGS notes ”the GOP and conservative movement have allowed the boundary between fringe and mainstream to remain ‘porous’ going back through Joe McCarthy’s anti-communist crusades in the 1950s.” https://t.co/xRALApKeV8
Now, there are greater incentives for extremism & fewer costs. ”Donors are cheering on her continued false claims that Trump won, illustrating the perverse incentive facing newer members of Congress who find viral stardom in denying a legitimate election” https://t.co/Vm7VVVSoeu
How to create different incentives? As in other countries facing democratic erosion, broad pro-democracy movements can be a powerful check on anti-democratic forces. See @andrewmarantz’s prescient article highlighting @EricaChenoweth’s essential research. https://t.co/ALLuYjUQhA
Hours after the United States voted, the president declared the election a fraud — a lie that unleashed a movement that would shatter democratic norms and upend the peaceful transfer of power.
There is a lot in this article, but to me this passage about McConnell is the most blaring takeaway.
Republican lawmakers knew how absurd Trump’s fraud claims were, but allowed them to fester anyway — a calculation that eventually led to the Capitol riot. https://t.co/jzvrHPhc7Ypic.twitter.com/Dbz8fB4loG
“The allegations about manipulated voting machines were ridiculously false, Barr added; the lawyers propagating them, led by Mr. Giuliani, were “clowns.”
David Schoen, impeachment trial lawyer for Trump, on Hannity previews the defense: calls this impeachment a “very very dangerous road to take with respect to the First Amendment.”
Adds it’s “the most ill-advised legislative action I’ve ever seen in my lifetime”
Trump's Brief defending himself in impeachment is so on-brand. It begins by addressing itself to the "Members of the Unites States Senate"
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New with @nytmike, David Schoen, Trump's new lawyer for the impeachment trial, suggests that some of those involved in the insurrection pre-planned their attack on the Capitol is a line of defense he will use https://t.co/mtGjjFkhSu
If that was done to cover GOP rear ends, I think it would backfire. The Trumpsters would lap up the conspiratorial feast of wondering who the traitors were.
Republican Accountability Project is doing an ad campaign to convict Trump in the home states of 22 Republican senators:
Republican senators must do the right thing and vote to convict Trump for inciting the attack on the Capitol, and to disqualify him from holding future office.
Some coverage of our $500k ad campaign in the home states of 22 Republican senators pic.twitter.com/cvxpZhVt2k
— The Republican Accountability Project (@AccountableGOP) February 5, 2021
"President Trump claimed for months that the election was stolen and then apparently set about to do everything he could to steal it himself – and that ended up in an attack on the Capitol." - Liz Cheney https://t.co/FYXcJJEb9E
Stop the Football Steal, Trump edition (longer thread)
Frankly, we did win this game. So our goal now is to ensure the integrity for the good of this nation. This is a very big moment. This is a major fraud in our nation. So we’ll be going to Canton. We were up 3-0, and they just kept playing, and we wanted it to stop.
I think White House press secretary Jen Psaki has said about a half-dozen times today that the administration is focused on covid relief, not the impeachment proceedings
If you click through you will see that they found online evidence that this particular Boogaloo was sympathetic to BLM causes. This guy claims he did not take part in storming the Capitol though.
But overall, what this shows is defense intent to find examples of the silly stuff that we have heard on on Fox News, et. al. that what they call "antifa" infiltrators caused all the agitation to violence, that it wasn't Trump's words that inspired violence:
Trump's impeachment defense memo actually cites a Gateway Pundit article about "boogaloo boy" Mike Dunn as evidence that Trump did not inspire the Capitol Insurrection.
Winston Churchill famously said, “Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it.” All Americans, but especially my fellow Republicans, should remember this wisdom during the Senate’s trial of former president Donald Trump.
I say this as a lifelong Republican who voted to impeach Trump last month. Virtually all my colleagues on the right side of the aisle took the opposite path. Most felt it was a waste of time — political theater that distracted from bigger issues. The overwhelming majority of Senate Republicans appear to feel the same way about conviction.
But this isn’t a waste of time. It’s a matter of accountability. If the GOP doesn’t take a stand, the chaos of the past few months, and the past four years, could quickly return. The future of our party and our country depends on confronting what happened — so it doesn’t happen again.
The immediate cause for Trump’s impeachment was Jan. 6. But the president’s rally and resulting riot on Capitol Hill didn’t come out of nowhere. They were the result of four-plus years of anger, outrage and outright lies. Perhaps the most dangerous lie — or at least the most recent — was that the election was stolen. Of course it wasn’t, but a huge number of Republican leaders encouraged the belief that it was. Every time that lie was repeated, the riots of Jan. 6 became more likely.
Even now, many Republicans refuse to admit what happened. They continue to feed anger and resentment among the people. On Jan. 6, that fury led to the murder of a Capitol Police officer and the deaths of four other Americans. If that rage is still building, where does it go from here?
Impeachment offers a chance to say enough is enough. It ought to force every American, regardless of party affiliation, to remember not only what happened on Jan. 6, but also the path that led there. After all, the situation could get much, much worse — with more violence and more division that cannot be overcome. The further down this road we go, the closer we come to the end of America as we know it [....]
Capitol riot suspect Jacob Chansley, known as the "QAnon Shaman," says in a statement that former Pres. Trump "was not honorable."
"What he said day in, day out, that we all permitted, included untruths... out and out lies," says Albert Watkins, Chansley's attorney. pic.twitter.com/L1QqkKL2Qu
comments on overall Castor performance from some who did watch--guess the Business Insider headline was just a minor part of the shtick:
Initially Schoen was a better speaker (more prepared) than Castor -- but went on way too long and hard to follow his arguments. https://t.co/iU45lLD3h2
ah, yes, historical revisionism, makes perfect sense now, synchs totally with his being the first Post Modern president, what they are doing is making up a new story for the history books:
Understandably, the president’s lawyers are not particularly eager to discuss what happened on January 6. https://t.co/fFQv4oQlrM newrepublic
Yes, but, the tweet really made me think: Twitter just cut him off because of certain very specific behavior. He's still there, he can talk to the media, he can still do other political things. That if they were smart, there are ways they can agree with certain parts of what appealed about him to followers while punishing behavior. That they are selling out a whole political party for the skills of a narcissist demagogue.If you look at it from the perspective of a Lincoln Project member, it just seems lazy and crazy, as if they had no one else who can appeal to all these voters. When they started out in 2016, all hating him and they just let him take over!
P.S. Romney is such a good comparison. He just shrugs it off when he has some Trumpie hecklers at the airport, he has confidence in self and that his constituents mostly trust him to take care of them. It's really just insane to cower in fear of Trump if you have any self-confidence, he's just a man, not a god. And Senators need to stop thinking like House members.
I think the intimidation is physical - one of these nuts can come out anywhere, and it could get quite worse. It's kind of amazing it hasn't get 10-15,000 nuts together..
True, but this whole thing is how you stop that! The founders gave them the same power that Jack Dorsey has. It's: are you a mouse or a man? You want to live like this for the rest of your career? There's 50 of you and one of him, for chrissakes. You want to live in a civilization or a jungle? RULE OF LAW. Start sending the message: rule of law for everyone, "lock em up" if they don't agree.
Congress needs to make sure that no future President can ever abuse his or her vast powers to cling to the Presidency, even if he or she is turned out by American voters.
Interesting fine point on populist demagoguery I just ran across here, just reiterates for me why we have a Senate in the founders design, that's what they are there for, that's their main raison d'etre, to counteract when this happens, the House is for the rabble and they are supposed to be the elite grownups who keep it from spinning out of control when some of "the masses" go off the rails
...Ventura ran on a third-party ticket and was not easy to peg ideologically (radical centrist/anti-establishment is how I'd put it). But same-day registration allowed non-voters captivated by a charismatic figure to determine the outcome.
A few to many "theys" but assume you mean the GOP mostly. But I don't think they want to punish anything. Any behavior by Repubs is fine as long as it's owning or shocking the libs. There's simply not a lot of principle left - i guess passing certain legislation or appointing more judges, but does that really get them across the River Jordan, and is that a real goal, or simply a well-worn prop they don't take theologically/literally? I mean, do they really think Jesus is pro-2nd Amendment and Reagan would be happy with Trump deficit/debt?
Twitter to uphold permanent ban on Trump, even if running for office
Twitter has the First Amendment right to prevent use of its platform to incite violence, and they have done the right thing here. No more @RealDonaldTrump.https://t.co/eHhjuwls80
very talented retired veteran reporter of war and foreign civil unrest still worrying about "the troops":
i hope officer goodman is getting support from his command & has readily available mental health care. he deserves the gratitude & accolades. but this kind of public profile can be hard to bear; it can be disorienting, draining, damaging. here’s hoping someone has the man’s back.
Biden is trying to walk a disciplined line regarding comments on the impeachment trial. The trial itself is helping keeping focus off Biden and on the Republicans' fracture, a boon to the White House. @anniekarni and me https://t.co/a3xEZkJXoW
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1st 2 impeachment witnesses speak ;-)
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 01/26/2021 - 3:17am
Full Just Security story with 10 min video
https://www.justsecurity.org/74335/fight-for-trump-video-evidence-of-inc...
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 01/26/2021 - 3:19am
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/26/2021 - 5:58pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/26/2021 - 6:13pm
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 4:40am
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/26/2021 - 7:13pm
If the GOP Senators declare that the process is not "constitutional", refusing to participate would be a censure of the House putting forth the articles in the first place. I can't find the place in the Constitution where such a censure is a thing. That absurdity is especially absurd after being sworn in as a jury. If they had an ounce of courage, refusing to participate would have forbade them from taking the oath.
by moat on Tue, 01/26/2021 - 8:19pm
Of course that's largely what they did last time, took the oath and abandoned duty to do the job seriously and faithfully.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 1:56am
Since the GOP has checked out on the whole process, I would like to see the other half ram this through as quickly as possible. They have jobs cleaning up the mess left by the previous administration that require immediate attention.
Keep the rhetoric short and push the evidence in hand. When the quislings start to prevaricate, demand a vote. One and done.
by moat on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 9:01pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 10:34pm
The senators say censuring Trump is optimal given GOP objections to impeachment.
By Trish Turner and Allison Pecorin Today, 5:44 PM EST @ ABCNews.com
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 11:39pm
Cool, telling the weirdly paranoid disenfranchised that their leader is unwanted and disapproved of will do a heckuva lot of good. I bet Trump will even learn from that - Susan Collins may even sign in. BTW, the Bundy's are back.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 1:29am
by artappraiser on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 5:40pm
McCarthy Error? MSNBC rickrolled, impeachment edition
(no one knows what goes on behind closed doors)
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 01/29/2021 - 5:59am
Deep State? 1yr probation
Between the anger of the judge remanding the Pelosi squatter, and the resistance of the judge to overhyping the mistake Clinesmith made, the legal world ilseems to be returning to sanity.
Whether Congress follows suit is different story... But the impeachment evidence sure is gathering up.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 01/29/2021 - 12:56pm
In De-Nile? Or planning another raid? Or yugest genius gonna do a D.I.Y.?
by artappraiser on Sat, 01/30/2021 - 9:19pm
Dersh? Turley? Judge Jeanine? Avenatti?
Meanwhile, here are the scheduled events for Jan 6.
Only thing missing is "Wild River" (prolly too cold?) and chopping/dismembering exhibit.
Why won't anyone defend Donnie? He gave so much to us, and for *no pay*!!!
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 2:16am
Maggie says the latest is D.I.Y., believe it or not:
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 4:08am
Perjury trap?
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 5:12am
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 2:36pm
Fake press reported it as being last.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 2:42pm
lessee if they really got the stamina for abuse, how long will they last?
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 6:19pm
This team?
by ocean-kat on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 6:26pm
now I am really confused, are these not relations of an infamous Dagblog member?
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 6:34pm
He's got the law firm of Howard, Fine and Howard to work with, but with that Tom Cruz senator fella on his side, I'm betting on A Few Good Men repeat.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 11:26pm
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 9:22pm
I think Omar is seeing the answer to "why do it?"
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 7:04pm
now I see Wasow's been thinking on this for several days, where it fits in our history and how we operate, and including the possible remedies:
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 7:12pm
NYTimes gathers a team of 7 for the job of being the main prosecutors as the House is busy with other stuff and can't do a fancy job:
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 7:46pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 5:04am
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 5:07am
Dems screw up 2nd impeachment?
(long thread)
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 12:37pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 1:37pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/03/2021 - 2:06am
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/03/2021 - 4:02am
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/03/2021 - 9:07pm
If that was done to cover GOP rear ends, I think it would backfire. The Trumpsters would lap up the conspiratorial feast of wondering who the traitors were.
by moat on Wed, 02/03/2021 - 9:56pm
daring him to appear in person:
by artappraiser on Thu, 02/04/2021 - 3:20pm
Taunting like it ought to be.
by moat on Thu, 02/04/2021 - 4:21pm
now this is quite the intriguing angle on it, especially given the cult's effect on our society:
by artappraiser on Thu, 02/04/2021 - 10:52pm
Republican Accountability Project is doing an ad campaign to convict Trump in the home states of 22 Republican senators:
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 5:23pm
Cheney/Chris Wallace must-watch
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 02/07/2021 - 8:46pm
Stop the Football Steal, Trump edition (longer thread)
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 02/08/2021 - 9:32am
Biden definitely staying out of it:
by artappraiser on Mon, 02/08/2021 - 12:55pm
Frankly it's a matter for Congress - would be unseemly and counterproductive to get involved.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 02/08/2021 - 2:48pm
I'm certainly happy with the decision.
by artappraiser on Mon, 02/08/2021 - 3:03pm
If you click through you will see that they found online evidence that this particular Boogaloo was sympathetic to BLM causes. This guy claims he did not take part in storming the Capitol though.
But overall, what this shows is defense intent to find examples of the silly stuff that we have heard on on Fox News, et. al. that what they call "antifa" infiltrators caused all the agitation to violence, that it wasn't Trump's words that inspired violence:
by artappraiser on Mon, 02/08/2021 - 7:40pm
a reminder that impeachment is not necessarily about criminal behavior or speech:
by artappraiser on Mon, 02/08/2021 - 9:20pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 12:21am
Rep. Adam Kinzinger op-ed @ WaPo: My fellow Republicans, convicting Trump is necessary to save America, Feb. 8
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 12:52am
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 1:16am
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 2:28am
Hang my client, please? Anyone understand what the heck he is going after here, I haven't been following it at all until now.
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 4:41pm
comments on overall Castor performance from some who did watch--guess the Business Insider headline was just a minor part of the shtick:
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 5:09pm
ah, yes, historical revisionism, makes perfect sense now, synchs totally with his being the first Post Modern president, what they are doing is making up a new story for the history books:
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 5:26pm
Longer JustSecurity timeline
https://www.justsecurity.org/74622/stopthesteal-timeline-of-social-media...
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 10:53am
Good one:
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 12:10pm
Republicans want to ride Trump into the next election - they're scared of him and his true believers. Punish? They want to exalt.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 12:18pm
Yes, but, the tweet really made me think: Twitter just cut him off because of certain very specific behavior. He's still there, he can talk to the media, he can still do other political things. That if they were smart, there are ways they can agree with certain parts of what appealed about him to followers while punishing behavior. That they are selling out a whole political party for the skills of a narcissist demagogue.If you look at it from the perspective of a Lincoln Project member, it just seems lazy and crazy, as if they had no one else who can appeal to all these voters. When they started out in 2016, all hating him and they just let him take over!
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 12:37pm
P.S. Romney is such a good comparison. He just shrugs it off when he has some Trumpie hecklers at the airport, he has confidence in self and that his constituents mostly trust him to take care of them. It's really just insane to cower in fear of Trump if you have any self-confidence, he's just a man, not a god. And Senators need to stop thinking like House members.
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 12:43pm
I think the intimidation is physical - one of these nuts can come out anywhere, and it could get quite worse. It's kind of amazing it hasn't get 10-15,000 nuts together..
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 1:02pm
True, but this whole thing is how you stop that! The founders gave them the same power that Jack Dorsey has. It's: are you a mouse or a man? You want to live like this for the rest of your career? There's 50 of you and one of him, for chrissakes. You want to live in a civilization or a jungle? RULE OF LAW. Start sending the message: rule of law for everyone, "lock em up" if they don't agree.
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 1:14pm
powerful righteous men, not meese:
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 1:16pm
Maybe can hire Pussy Riot to give seminars in being ballsy.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 1:20pm
Interesting fine point on populist demagoguery I just ran across here, just reiterates for me why we have a Senate in the founders design, that's what they are there for, that's their main raison d'etre, to counteract when this happens, the House is for the rabble and they are supposed to be the elite grownups who keep it from spinning out of control when some of "the masses" go off the rails
We don't have a "one man, one vote" simple democracy where demagogues can rule the day, we have a republic....
‘A republic, if you can keep it’: Did Ben Franklin really say Impeachment Day’s favorite quote?
Here’s the history behind the quote.
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 1:43pm
A few to many "theys" but assume you mean the GOP mostly. But I don't think they want to punish anything. Any behavior by Repubs is fine as long as it's owning or shocking the libs. There's simply not a lot of principle left - i guess passing certain legislation or appointing more judges, but does that really get them across the River Jordan, and is that a real goal, or simply a well-worn prop they don't take theologically/literally? I mean, do they really think Jesus is pro-2nd Amendment and Reagan would be happy with Trump deficit/debt?
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 12:59pm
Twitter to uphold permanent ban on Trump, even if running for office
by artappraiser on Thu, 02/11/2021 - 1:28am
very talented retired veteran reporter of war and foreign civil unrest still worrying about "the troops":
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 7:18pm
by artappraiser on Thu, 02/11/2021 - 3:05am
by artappraiser on Thu, 02/11/2021 - 11:40pm