Lost causes

By Flavius on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 11:40am |

With no dog in this fight -for my New Bedford ancestors Fort Sumpter and Appomatox were surely less important than the current cost of twine for the nets )-my reaction is the Black Historians should settle for half a cake

And yes , accepting half the truth. (Do we ever get the full the trutth.?)

The descendants of the "lost cause" are going to visit the graves once a year, and briefly

remember part of their story. Let them! Because you can't change it,

Along with murdering 30 ex slaves in New Orleans probably half the murderers had

previously risked their lives to save a fellow Confederate .

Leave the monuments honoring great grandfather Sam.

And also a plague generally reminder that War is Hell.

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Nah

I think that it is good to seek the truth

Africans sold Africans into slavery

Free Blacks owned slaves

Blacks fought for both sides during the Revolutionary War, Blacks on both sides still lost.

Blacks ran to Union lines

Black soldiers were slaughtered at Fort Pillow

And so on

Knowing how we got here is important

Edit to add:

VMI recently pulled down a statue of Stonewall Jackson.

Why should Black students have to pass by and salute that statue?

by rmrd0000 on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 12:41pm

Seriously? Who's saying they have to "salute that statue"?

Crock of shit as usual.

by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 12:57pm

45 seconds research:

Stonewall Jackson was a professor at VMI, a West Point graduate who served in combat in the Mexican War, a military genius, a staunch Christian, and yes, a Confederate General,” he wrote at the time.....

In 2015, VMI did away with requiring freshmen to salute the statue each time they passed it, Wyatt said.

by NCD on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 1:07pm

It's a fucking military academy - they're bred in jarhead logic. I thought he was talking about normal people.

by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 1:16pm

Thanks NCD

The statue removal comes after reports regarding racism on campus by former Black students at the institution

(CNN)The state's top leaders are ordering a review of what they say is the "clear and appalling culture of ongoing structural racism at the Virginia Military Institute," following news reports detailing allegations by Black students and alumni.

Writing that the school's values of honor, sacrifice, dignity and service "do not extend to all students," the letter from state officials to VMI's governing Board of Visitors cites reports of "vicious attacks on social media," a sophomore threatening to lynch a fellow underclassman and a professor fondly reminiscing over her family's involvement in the Ku Klux Klan.

It further claims the state-run military college in Lexington continues to embrace the Confederacy, as well as "an inaccurate and dangerous 'Lost Cause' version of Virginia's history." The "Lost Cause" ideology asserts the Southern war effort was heroic and that states' rights, not slavery, was the Confederacy's principal cause, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/20/us/virginia-military-institute-racism-letter-allegation/index.html

by rmrd0000 on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 1:38pm

You know they have retarded Christian schools so they can teach the world is flat and was created 6000 years ago. That's a tiny percentage of real schools, but fret over it all you want.

by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 1:58pm

LOL

I'm simply linking to articles

I'm fretting so much, that we have a blind Zoom tasting of California Cabernet Sauvignons tonight

The goal is to guess the wines' locations in California wine regions.

by rmrd0000 on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 2:17pm

"simply linking to articles" = "pulling outlr chain"

I'm gonna smoke a little crack, do a bit of meth, and then spout crazy shit the rest of the night, cuz that just seems to be the way people flow. Pull in random factoids for I'm holistory, pull shit out of my butt, and call it rational argument and a compelling imperative and a brilliant new narrative.

PS - may not do this on Zoom - hate to turn state's evidence

by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 3:30pm

Random factoids

Current and former VMI students complained about racism on campus as well as the statue.

A review of findings on racial issues were published in MSM

The Commandant resigned

The Stonewall statue was removed.

by rmrd0000 on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 3:41pm

Did I mention I don't give a fuck what military students nor Christian school students think? They're there for a certain kind of indoctrination that has nothing to do with general truth.

by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 3:47pm

Random factoids

Statue came down

Commandant gone

Facts don't give a fuck what you think

by rmrd0000 on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 4:27pm

Well, blacks won a huge victory there - a statue came down. Now maybe if they got unfettered right to vote, closer-to-parity family income, drastic decrease in incarceration, improved education, etc. Feel the power. A statue of a horse even. And sipping wine on Zoom, natch...

by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 5:55pm

Who's saying they have to "salute that statue"?

good question.I think the answer was used by FDR: the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. Unless you believe in voodoo, then of course, old statues can hurt you. Otherwise, getting rid of them doesn't change a damn thing about reality.

by artappraiser on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 1:29pm

And they say what a pretty thing it was indeed...the horse that is.

by NCD on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 5:24pm

Congrats PP... As per usual

The only "...crock of shit..." who complains
"...I don't give a fuck..." who constantly sprays
invectives 'round here is by one particular
and quite peculiar person. And is hereby
awarded the following award...

~OGD~

by oldenGoldenDecoy on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 5:57pm

Uh, "i don't give a shit" is by definition *not a complaint*.

And don't need your rabbit food, thanks - I'm here for the main course.

by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 6:45pm

It's 5 o'clock somewhere...

More unintelligible extremely disorganized narcissistic blog writing.

People get arrested for drinking and driving.

Too bad they don't for commenting

~OGD~

by oldenGoldenDecoy on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 7:47pm

I think his goal is to upset me with his profanity laced rants

The mere fact that he uses profanity shows that he has no real argument

He also will use labels like "moron"

The tactic is not different than one would expect from Donald Trump

Blacks at VMI complained

The Commandant resigned and a controversial statue was removed

Now the complaint is that they did not solve nationwide voter suppression

by rmrd0000 on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 8:20pm

Why frame the matter in terms of the "Lost Cause"?

The "Lost Cause" narrative is not just a particular way to remember the past but an escape from responsibility.

The complete rejection of my form of life has nothing to do with my relationships with other people but is solely the product of geniuses who want me to feel bad and suffer.

by moat on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 7:08pm

Sort of like Faulkner's dead past .

by Flavius on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 10:27pm

I lived in the Balkans - what some call "ghosts" others call grudges or a continuum.

Or then there's Melville - "all the things we thought we'd left behind were ahead of us the whole time"

by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 12/09/2020 - 12:07am

For me ,Melville mostly evokes "a dead whale or a stove boat". since my grandfather devoted his first

adventuresome years north of Alaska attempting to achieve the top half of the dichotomy before he had to shift to locating alternative transport when his ship failed to survive a spring thaw.

Compensation was purely based on cruise profits. No dead whales no limited enthusiastim for the return to the Cape

by Flavius on Wed, 12/09/2020 - 11:10am

My, that's another shift of eras. The winding down of whale boats off the east coast in the 1800s was pretty drastic, took all sorts of now obsolete expertise with it. But still, the sea... It's one thing to do away with coal mines and sweatshops, but life out on the open sea wasn't just drudgery.

by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 12/09/2020 - 11:47am

Off the west coast. The far west -and north -one.

South around Cape Horn . Then then north of Alaska. and whale- Bowheads-

until ice forms on the anchor chain and start 7 months of cribbage and hoping

Gene can relight the main boilers for the spring catch....

Unless a thaw+gale decides otherwise

In which case beg a ride and be dropped off broke in San Francisco and open a pool

hall in Fairhaven.

by Flavius on Wed, 12/09/2020 - 5:19pm

College buddy was amused to realize Ahab's journey covered a sinusoid, a full cycle, so yeah, waiting at the end, a busted boiler and a pool hall and a whole lot to chew on. "Coldest winter i spent was one summer in San Francisco", said Mark Twain, but it doesn't get any warmer up Anchorage way or the Aleutians or further into the circle. Brrrr...

by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 12/09/2020 - 6:12pm

As Edna St. Vincent Millay would have it:

"It's not true that life is one damn thing after another, it is one damn thing over and over."

by moat on Wed, 12/09/2020 - 11:39am

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