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Mho, she is 100% correct that most medical professionals do not know how to (or don't care to try) balance hormones and body chemicals, especially because EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT, WE'RE NOT ROBOTS. If you're lucky and get one that will work with you, and those type are rare, you can get assistance and tips and work as a team. The easy alternative which many practioners do, is ONE DRUG AT A TIME. (And if you have a lot of complex problems, that could take years or decades, you may be dead before you feel better). There is no better solution than an educated patient working with a doctor as a team, and once again, those are rare. (She just happened to have the clonopin already, if she had to wait for a doctor to try it, it could take years.) Truth is all their tests tell them very little, they can only fix a few maladies, like diabetes and heart disease, and don't even know things like what levels some hormones and chemicals should be. Even the best scans don't tell them what your insides really look like unti they cut you open, and any honest surgeon will admit that! We are all guinea pigs and it's all trial and error, that's what "modern" medicine is, and only you, the patient know how you feel.

SSRIs are among the most frequently sold drugs in Australia. Sertraline (sold under the brand name Zoloft) and escitalopram (Cipralex and Lexapro) are both among Australia's 10 most commonly prescribed medications.

Fellow of the Royal Australian and New Zealand College of psychiatrists, Professor Valsamma Eapen, says SSRIs take a while to start to take effect.

"They will at least take two weeks to begin to act, and then it takes six, eight, 12 weeks to really have the levels built up sufficiently to show you the benefits," she says.

Doctors are likely to prescribe SSRIs as a first medication for anxiety because they have a good history of research behind them, she adds.

Posted Mon 14 Mar 2022 at 3:38pm Monday 14 Mar 2022 at 3:38pm, updated Tue 15 Mar 2022 at 1:24am

Where did you see evidence that they regulate them any more than the U.S. does? I.E., requiring a doctor's prescription? I don't find that.

That's Columbine. Yes still a  mystery so it's fun to speculate why some white middle class teens go nuts. So if you made sure SSRI'S were not prescribed to teens, that would stop how many mass shootings over a decade?  Maybe 5?M10? BUT what if it for some of those, it was the depression and not the SSRI's that caused them to do a mass attack? And they still do it. So you're down to maybe preventing one school shooting over a decade if you don't allow doctors to prescribe for minors. Oh wait, maybe the kid self-medicates with strong THC cause the doctor cannot try SSRI's for his depression and you have a worse shooting because he gets crazier.

Meanwhile,this is what our current gun violence (Columbine kids did work on bombs, too, any weapons would suffice) problem really looks like. It has nothing to do with depressed white middle class kids on or off SSRI's and I daresay it has little to do wth AR-15's either. APPLES & ORANGES!

The people involved probably don't even have a doctor much less a prescription to SSRI's. What they have is handguns, that they have, acquired in extreme mass quantities in 2020 and 2021

Indiana mom gunned down days after burying 5-year-old son who was also fatally shot

By Lee Brown @NYPost.com, May 20, 2022 2:41pm 

An Indiana mom was shot dead just days after burying her 5-year-old son, who was also a victim of gunfire, authorities said.

“I don’t know if I have any tears left,” South Bend Police Chief Scott Ruszkowski told WSBT as he confirmed the double loss for the same family this month.

Mom Kaylynn Davidson, 32, had buried her son Kyler Jackson on Thursday last week after he died from being accidentally shot by a 9-year-old nephew, the outlet said.

Then on Tuesday night — five days after the burial — the mother was herself gunned down during a fight outside a restaurant, police confirmed.

“I can’t even imagine or fathom what that family is going to have to contend with from here on out,” Ruszkowski told the outlet of the family “doubly affected” and “still reeling.”

Councilman Pastor Canneth Lee, who led the young boy’s funeral and broke news of his mom’s death to the rest of the family, stressed that it was also a trauma for Jackson’s cousin, who accidentally shot him May 1.

“They have had three tragedies: Kyler, the nephew and now Kyler’s mom,” Lee told the station.

“This is a tragedy for our city because violence is a disease,” the pastor said.

Police have not detailed exactly how the youngster was shot, beyond calling it a “tragic accident,” the South Bend Tribune noted. [....]

I don't get what you and Michael Moore don't get about how, while reaction to over-prescribed SSRI's for depression or other mental ailment is a genuine problem for elites, this is a tiny drop in the bucket regarding our gun violence problem, and maybe no problem at all because most of those teens will still be suicidally depressed without the SSRI prescription.

How can you even think it is a solution to the problem? That in itself is crazy. Is it seriously something to sort out about psychiatric medical care? yes. About gun violence? nooooooooooooooo

Why did you even bother with the alcohol comparison? Another ridiculous comparison. Doctors never had the ability to prescribe alcohol consumption.

Once again, SSRI'S ARE ALREADY REGULATED, YOU MUST HAVE A DOCTOR'S PRESCRIPTION. Your beef is with medical practitioners and parent of minors. Not with a drug!  For someone wth libertarian sympathies, this sure seems like a nanny state solution for our gun violence problem. Go yell at the parents, tell them to learn to get better feedback about their kids prescriptions!

We'll replace it all w brain implants soon anyway

https://fortune.com/2022/07/18/elon-musk-neuralink-beat-by-synchron-brai...

and what do you do with kids like these when they get a little older (and there are definitely white ones like this too)? Their brains are still forming, and they are setting down violent and abusive neural nets! It's not set in stone, but it's really tough to change the older they get and the right pharmaceuticals actually might help such a juvie, once away from their godawful hopeless parents, that everyone is not a pissing angry fighter ready to kill your brother for a pair of sneakers:

Grabbing a few studies out of 15-20 years doesn't exactly address which are valid.

Here's an article that *does* address why usual SSRI studies miss suicide effects by trying to avoid suicides.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220315-the-paradox-of-how-antidepre...

So what are you treating them with? Just let them stand on their own two little feet?

Gangs aren't killing each other with SSRIs. SSRIs are solving mental issues for some people - the number who are harmed undoubtedly are much fewer than number helped. See if you can apply that to guns, especially this year.

I see a closer parallel to your attitude with Jool - the gov banned these non-tar electronic cigs because allowing people to vape nicotine is sinful, even if it lowers lung disease and the chance of kids getting hooked early to real (read: deadly) cigarettes. I mean, people could simply not smoke it if they didn't want to, while others could if they thought it helps or is enjoyable. It's hard to choose not to get shot.

Oh here we have it:

So if a chemical imbalance may not be the cause of depression, what is? For decades, numerous researchers and public intellectuals have noted the substantial evidence that depression and other mental illness are linked to capitalism, the dominant economic system in the Western World — and one which governs the way we relate to each other, our selves, and our hopes and dreams. Oliver James, a psychologist who authored the 2008 book "The Selfish Capitalist: Origins of Affluenza," argued that the materialistic, self-obsessed and competitive culture of neoliberal capitalist societies instill "emotional distress" in their populations. Some of his evidence comes from the impressive rise in SSRI prescriptions in western countries, which far outpace population growth. 

https://www.salon.com/2022/07/27/depression-capitalism-brain-chemistry/

Suicide Rate by Country 2022

[....] Countries with the Highest Suicide Rates

Suicide occurs throughout the world, affecting individuals of all nations, cultures, religions, genders, and classes. Other innate factors, such as disorders of the mind and abnormalities at birth, can heighten someone's propensity for experiencing depression, whether as the occasional episode or a lifelong ailment. To lower the rates of deaths resulting from suicide, countries need to address many common underlying factors that add up and make someone more likely to choose suicide as an outlet. Depression rates are one factor that holds serious importance, but other factors to take into consideration are academic, performance, physical condition, mental health and well-being, economic standing, financial struggles, workplace performance, and overall life satisfaction.

In 2019, the ten countries with the highest suicide rates (number of suicides per 100k) were:

1. Lesotho - 72.4
2. Guyana - 40.3
3. Eswatini - 29.4
4. South Korea - 28.6
5. Kiribati - 28.3
6. Federated States of Micronesia - 28.2
7. Lithuania - 26.1
8. Suriname - 25.4
9. Russia - 25.1
10. South Africa - 23.5

The only western European nation with an exceptionally high suicide rate is Belgium, which ranks at number eleven with 18.3 suicides per 100k. However, it is worth noting that Belgium has some of the world's most liberal laws on doctor-assisted suicide, also known as euthanasia, which is likely to be a factor in its statistics.

Countries with the Lowest Suicide Rates [....]

Africa battles high rates of suicide, depression

Many African countries are struggling with high suicide rates, for which there are no simple explanations. However, one thing is evident: There is a lack of professional help and comprehensive research into the causes.

Here ya go, this is better, this is what patients with a vested interest should read carefully

By the way, nowhere do I see a suggestion that there should be tougher regulations on m.d.'s about prescribing SSRI's for any reason or any malady. Nowhere do I see any advocacy for a nanny state to interfere.

This is basically: news you and your doctor can use and should use.

Where are social worker SWAT teams?

Meanwhile, "oversimplified serotonin explanations:

https://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/brain-health/as-science-searches-for-a...

If people don't know that by now, when it's been highly publicized since the mid 1990's when "Prozac Nation" caused a flood of info., and when there are warning labels on all those drugs, then I don't know what to say except: YOU NEED TO RESEARCH ALL THE PRESCRIPTION DRUGS you take. Medicine is a two-way street, the patient has work to do too. Those print outs that come with your prescriptions when you pick them up? READ THEM. They give them to you so you can't sue them if things go wrong.

P.S. You can DIE from Tylenol, it happens more often than you think. I was reading about that only recently. It's sold over the counter, but there are very specific dosage instructions on the packaging that need to be followed!

p.s. from that thread:

I'd like to add that 15% is a pretty damn good number if you dealing with the intractable problem of serious major chronic depression!!! I get the impression that's actually a pretty phenomenal success rate with that malady! I remember reading about writer William Styron's case and how he tried everything over many years and finally found out that modernized electroshock as an inpatient was the only thing that worked some for him. And then there's others like Kurt Cobain who just basically give up on medicine and self-medicate until they die young from it...and all those who just pay a therapist weekly for their whole life just so that they have someone to talk to to keep them from committing suicide...and the many stories of woman physically abusing or even killing their children as a side effect of post-partum depression.

Nothing should be ruled out. Whatever helps! The truth is major depression is horrible and incurable.

? that has nothing to do with SSRI's or even treatment of any psychological conditions!

Methotrexate

Common brands: Otrexup (PF), Xatmep, Trexall

Chemotherapy and Immunosuppressive drug

It can treat cancer of the blood, bone, lung, breast, head, and neck. It can also treat rheumatoid arthritis and psoriasis.

She says her mother had a rheumatologist. Rheumatoid arthritis, if she had it, is an auto-immune disease (and long provable with a blood test, by the way.) Rheumatologists are experts in auto-immune problems and the associated hormonal dysfunctions. Which, like so many other things in medicine, are not fully understood. It definitely sounds like she had auto-immune complications from covid vaccination and one of the things they tried to help her was suppressing her immune system with methotrexate, but that didn't help, that caused a spiral down to liver failure and death.

She may have had substantial kidney and liver damage already from using too many over-the-counter pain drugs over many years for her arthritis.  This is something you must balance when you treat rheumatoid arthritis - pain or earlier death from pain relief? You cannot take lots of pain drugs or things like antibiotics over many years without shortening the life of your liver and/or kidneys (same as with alcohol).

And again, recent studies have shown that Tylenol can be very dangerous - it can actually kill rather quickly via liver failure.

Also did you know many older people die after they break their hip and that is why they are afraid of falling and breaking their hip?

Do you get how this works? Many people die from organ failure from the medicine that caused them to live way past the age they would have if they lived before the medicine was possible. THAT IS WHY IT IS BETTER TO TRY TO BE HEALTHY BY EATING AND EXERCISE rather than have to resort to medicine. Dr. Beverly Crusher being able to make it all better is fiction! Medicine cannot make it ALL better, it can only try to make some things better by balancing risk and make sick people live a little longer than they used to. It seems like you have not spent much time with the practice of fighting off the death of very sick people in the ICU, and with the phone calls of doctors where they cry and say they tried very hard to save him/her, but failed. I have unfortunately had too much.

You are an advocate of taking some of their tools away. In doing that, you are basically advocating that more sick people die sooner and more of the healthy ones that don't need to try the art of medicine yet survive.