MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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NYTimes has published more on it this evening:
Trump Invited Russians to Hack Clinton. Did They Listen?
By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT 6:15 PM ET
The day Mr. Trump asked Russians for help in hacking Hillary Clinton’s emails, Russia began to target her personal servers.
Democrats Call on Trump to Cancel Putin Meeting
and they updated the main story:
Intelligence Officers Charged Ahead of Trump-Putin Visit
By MARK MAZZETTI and KATIE BENNER 5:41 PM ET
Washington Post has added a lot of stuff, too:
including updating the main story
Mueller probe indicts 12 Russians for hacking Democrats in 2016
The suspects “covertly monitored the computers, implanted hundreds of files containing malicious computer code, and stole emails and other documents,” Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said as he detailed the charges against Russian intelligence officers.
The Fix: 6 questions from the indictment of Russians for hacking
After being told of Russia indictments, Trump still sought friendship with Putin
President Trump gave no sign that he appreciated the magnitude of what was coming. Instead, he publicly repeated his frequent attacks on the integrity of the Russia probe and offered kind words for Russian President Vladimir Putin ahead of their meeting next week.
Spotlight intensifies on Roger Stone after latest charges in Russia inquiry
The longtime Trump adviser has acknowledged exchanging Twitter direct messages in 2016 with Guccifer 2.0, who claimed to be a Romanian hacker. Stone has said there is no proof the account was connected to the Russians.
The Fix: Today marks an official rebuke of a major Trump conspiracy theory
by artappraiser on Fri, 07/13/2018 - 8:28pm
AA there again, Spanky Trump is taped; his voice is recorded; his intent is clear!
Ruskies, please fuck up Hilary's campaign and I will give you stuff.
by Richard Day on Fri, 07/13/2018 - 8:47pm
Yes, thank you for that reminder and it would all be good and fine in a court of law But have to admit what I am thinking is what is to be done about it when it is someone who changes his narratives to a new lie every day and hour in order, really simply to draw attention to himself and keep the fans occupied with intriguing conspiracies and stuff or whatever....
so in the end some GOP have to go along with something being "the last straw, they can't take it anymore" and go along with impeachment. They won't do that because:
Seems to me what has to happen is that the media has to somehow frame something like this when it happens to get a larger outrage reaction from the bottom up? They need GOP voters to say we got your backs, go after Trump. If not, anything happening, it's got to wait for after Nov.?
by artappraiser on Fri, 07/13/2018 - 9:09pm
re: "Spotlight Intensifies on Roger Stone after Latest Charges":
by artappraiser on Fri, 07/13/2018 - 10:54pm
Politico, natch, is stressing the political, does have a lot up now along those lines, like
Florida Republicans play starring roles in hacking indictment
Mueller reveals depth of states' election vulnerabilities
How the Russian hacks unfolded
Trump’s previous statements on Russia
RUSSIA PROBE REACTION ‘It's a big FU from Mueller’ Trump’s allies question the timing of latest Mueller indictments – on the eve of the Putin summit.
House conservatives prep push to impeach Rosenstein
And the title for the main story by Annie Karni implies political timing:
Mueller injects new drama into Trump’s European whirlwind New election meddling indictments from the special counsel landed as Trump met the queen—and days before he sees Russian President Vladimir Putin.
by artappraiser on Fri, 07/13/2018 - 8:46pm
The Karni article is disingenuous in that it makes a big pancake out of the timing of the indictments as a power play by Mueller and then admits Trump was told about it before he left for the trip. The first notification was the power play. The second is just what happens when you cross streets without looking.
by moat on Fri, 07/13/2018 - 9:15pm
Disingenuous is a good word to use. Could be more but I sense that it's mostly to get eyeballs, to get troops riled, like: oh boy now the fun's really starting...pumping it up as if it could be something it's not...
by artappraiser on Fri, 07/13/2018 - 9:21pm
Wheeler's observation that the indictment does not say what happened to the stolen analytics data points to a shoe that has not dropped yet. That will probably come up when the "conspirators" on the U.S. side are charged.
There is talk of the House of Trumpets preparing to impeach Rosenstein. That crowd has long called for the Special Counsel investigation to wrap up their work. They suddenly may want to slow it down.
by moat on Fri, 07/13/2018 - 9:03pm
The end of your comment reminds me of running across this last night without reading it, found it in my history, turns out poll was done by Fox:
Poll: Majority want Mueller to take his time on probe, do it right
BY JACQUELINE THOMSEN @ TheHill.com - 07/12/18 08:19 PM EDT
by artappraiser on Fri, 07/13/2018 - 9:18pm
The message that the investigation has been dragging their feet because they are milking a dry cow cannot keep being repeated after a certain point. We are getting very close to that location. So those who are committed to dismantling this process will need to decide in the near future whether they drink the Kool-Aid they mixed up for the party or gasp in shock at the revelations. The dismantlers are in a bit of a pickle. If they speed up their work, they won't be able to act innocent afterwards. If they slow it down, they lose their place in the Trump circle of winning.
by moat on Fri, 07/13/2018 - 9:59pm
That will probably come up when the "conspirators" on the U.S. side are charged.
When and if they are - until then, as long as it's Russians being indicted, the base won't see it as anything but Trump's proclaimed "witch hunt". The Karni article does make a good point when it quotes the WH spokesperson:
Indeed. While many of us see clear evidence of a shoe (or five) that has yet to drop, too many others have grown impatient - even if they allowed the idea of collusion to permeate in the first place - and are ready to clear their closets of single shoes once and for all. What emerges between now and October matters greatly.
by barefooted on Fri, 07/13/2018 - 10:40pm
Rudy's spin fits right here:
Ah but wait, there's more, I think: the real question is:will Trump support it in the next few days? Pootie will have to play along, too?
by artappraiser on Fri, 07/13/2018 - 11:11pm
That's simple. Putin, if forced, will say that he and his government had nothing to do with anything claimed by the American prosecutor; claims that are suspect, at best. Trump? Well, if Vlad says so, what's a POTUS to do but accept his word?
by barefooted on Fri, 07/13/2018 - 11:31pm
Mueller is being extremely clever.
First, as you note, the data charges have not dropped, and I think the big reason is cause #2.
2nd, Mueller is making the case big time that the Russians hacked the election, period. He's sidestepped the collusion bit, which is the GOP's Maginot line but Bob's going up through Belgium. The only defense there is "Putin said he didn't do it", but we've now got dozens of indictments and details showing he did.
Mueller's sidestepping the Dem-GOP divide and going direct to the Americans - the Russians hacked us, not just a little, slam dunk.
Even the Strzok hearing probably hurts Trump and helps Mueller - 20 hours of hearings to hear that Strzok indeed called Trump an idiot (his own secretary of state and others called him a "fucking idiot" or was that moron...) while Strzok notes he had a team above and below focused on the very real and now confirmed to be much bigger threat that the still never leaked word 1 about to influence the elections - the threat that McConnell wouldn't take seriously and embargoed.
And as Marcy notes, we've got a ton of unindicted co-conspirators - which certainly doesn't mean "won't-be-indicted". There's a dead man's trigger waiting.
I'm also looking at how Mueller carefully makes the *DNC* the victim, less so Hillary, because no one gives a fuck about Hillary, and they wouldn't even care about the DNC but with the clinical breakdown of the months-long surveillance, the Russian attack is now officially serious, and amazingly it's no longer just Hillary's fault, that she didn't give her server to the FBI in time when they tried to help - another one of these shitty narratives that's hobbled this wwhole thing. But it's no longer "he said/she said" - it's what Bob said.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 07/14/2018 - 3:22am
Arty... Rudy said "no Americans are involved..."?
(My highlight)
From: Four intriguing lines in Mueller indictment - BBC News 13 July 2018
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~OGD~
by oldenGoldenDecoy on Sat, 07/14/2018 - 8:22am
McCain: a hard-work hunt for real witches:
by artappraiser on Sat, 07/14/2018 - 8:13pm
interesting tip for news junkies:
by artappraiser on Fri, 07/13/2018 - 10:27pm
Interesting big picture admonishment from Mr. Objective Analyst hisself:
by artappraiser on Fri, 07/13/2018 - 10:38pm
Another unindicted co-conspirator. Stay tuned, Mr Hannity et al.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 07/14/2018 - 3:24am
by artappraiser on Sat, 07/14/2018 - 7:35pm
A very interesting article from early March of this year, an excerpt from the book that landed shortly thereafter - why tweet it out now as though suddenly relevant?
by barefooted on Sat, 07/14/2018 - 8:29pm
as he says Everyone who thinks Mitch McConnell was the only reason the Obama administration responded tepidly to Russian election inference should read this, I presume in response to a lot of simplistic ink along those lines since the indictment which I have also seen.
by artappraiser on Sat, 07/14/2018 - 8:50pm
You're likely right, though anyone who's reading him is likely aware of not only the article but the published book that's been shopped around. Obama's response has been well documented, so unless there's a left-wing cave somewhere (and that's more than likely) folks know this. I still wish he had framed it as more of a remember this? than a must read now. It's common for the former to pop up - obvious reasons abound.
by barefooted on Sat, 07/14/2018 - 9:11pm
Because it's like remembering 9/11, especially if you were involved, especially if it was 1 year ago, especially if it's happening again.
People are still blaming Hillary for losing. We've learned little from our debacle, and our messaging is still tepid and often missing the mark. It's like we keep asking if Japan was involved with Pearl Harbor and barely how it was done.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 07/15/2018 - 3:18am
That sounds exactly like Obama. He knew but was so afraid of making a mistake he did nothing. Oh wait, he talked to Putin. That's his only skill. I'm sure the oration was beautifully performed.
by ocean-kat on Sat, 07/14/2018 - 9:16pm
As opposed to Trump talking to Putin? Which do you prefer?
by barefooted on Sat, 07/14/2018 - 9:40pm
That's a silly question. I'd prefer any of the presidents or possible presidents to Trump. I'd prefer Hillary, Romney, McCain, both Bush, Reagan, Kerry, and Obama. Anyone would be better than the worse president in my lifetime. I think history will judge Obama harshly as a feckless president. I agree with Wolraich's most recent post:
I hope he delivers a hell of a speech, but my expectations are low. I don't feel that Obama has ever had a clear grasp of the tectonic changes that are shifting the political world under our feet. He used to describe Republican hostility as a "fever" that would eventually break on its own. It's not a fever, it's an evolution, or rather a devolution.
I don't think he understood the nature of the times or the nature of his opposition. I don't think Obama was a good leader. I predicted this in 2008. His skill lies in being the mediator that brings two sides together. It's his resume all his life. It's the story of his time as head of the Harvard Law Review. What he never understood is to mediate between two sides both sides have to want to compromise and the republicans never wanted to. What he never learned was how to lead.
He was given a large majority in the house and 60 votes in the senate and what did he do with it? A stimulus bill that any democratic congress would pass that was over loaded with tax cuts instead of spending. I give him almost no credit for it. I credit the congress. And the ACA. Everything Obama did made it worse. It really is Obamacare because his foolish desire to get just one republican vote watered it down with unneccessary compromises. In the end for nothing as not one single republican voted for the law largely designed by the republican Heritage Society.
I could go on. The problems with immigration were largely caused by Obama. Rather than taking action early in his term he became know as the deportation president in a foolish effort to prove to republicans he was serious about border control. He truly believed that would get republicans to compromise on immigration. His foreign policy was hands off most everywhere but especially in Central America where gang warfare destabilized a few states and cause the immigration crisis. Central American immigration isn't really an immigration problem, it's a refugee crisis similar except in severity to the Middle East refugee crisis Europe has been dealing with.
He didn't start the Iraq War or Afghanistan War so I don't blame him for it. Maybe nothing could have been done to end either of those wars or to stop the War in Syria. That's exactly what Obama decided to do, nothing. America is mostly to blame for the refugee crisis in Europe and he did nothing to deal with it. Now radicalized anti immigrant populists are rising in power across Europe. I mostly blame Obama for it. I could forgive him for mistakes and failures if he had taken action. But I don't forgive him for his lethargy as the world devolved into chaos.
by ocean-kat on Sat, 07/14/2018 - 10:55pm
It wasn't meant to be a silly question, but perhaps it seemed that way to you. If any president talks to any leader of an adversarial nation, it is by definition a situation fraught with not only peril but possibly dire circumstances - agreed? As I understood your comment, it was a sarcastic measure of Obama choosing to talk to Putin, but not much else. And the difference between Trump deciding to do so is?
We've yet to see how the act of talking between Trump and Putin will turn out, but I have my doubts that it will create anything that we, as a country, can call positive.
by barefooted on Sat, 07/14/2018 - 11:10pm
Trump shares Putin's goals and none of ours - it will be a disaster. It's like wondering whether Meyer Lansky talking to Al Capone might bring about something good - fuck no, just 2 shades of awful.
BTW, Moon of Alabama is attacking the indictments full on - making Glenn Greenwald look subtle even.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 07/15/2018 - 3:23am
Perhaps it's not a silly question in theory but it seems to be silly to ask it here. I doubt there's a single person here that would prefer anything Trump does in any situation on any issue to Obama no matter how much they might criticize Obama.
by ocean-kat on Sun, 07/15/2018 - 7:27pm
Counterpunch, among others on the far left and far right, duped by a Russian operative "Alice Donovan":
Shorter version of a very very very long 2017 Counterpunch article: even if it's a ghost writing, if the ghost is against conventional wisdom of the FBI, CIA and MSM, we're going with the ghost...
by artappraiser on Sat, 07/14/2018 - 8:28pm
We?
by barefooted on Sat, 07/14/2018 - 8:31pm
don't understand your question, what "we"?
by artappraiser on Sat, 07/14/2018 - 8:57pm
Too cryptic, sorry ... just typed my thought. It was regarding "we're going with the ghost".
by barefooted on Sat, 07/14/2018 - 9:02pm
National Security Advisor John Bolton: 'Hard to believe' Putin didn't know about election hack
@ NYDaily News, has all the money quotes from his appearance on ABC’s “This Week” this morning....otherwise I'd say it's a "developing" so why bother tracking down more right now
by artappraiser on Sun, 07/15/2018 - 7:06pm
Interesting comment from Marcy - that the press has boggled the reporting so bad, she just may need to go to DC to explain to Republicans.
https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/07/15/dragons-caught-in-the-crossfire-on...
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 07/16/2018 - 1:14am