Ukrainian airplane crashes near Iran’s capital, killing 176

By artappraiser on Wed, 01/08/2020 - 1:11am |

Iranian official: No survivors on an Ukrainian jetliner that crashed shortly after takeoff from Tehran's main airport with at least 170 people on board. https://t.co/app9NMTST0
— The Associated Press (@AP) January 8, 2020

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Engine Failure?

A Ukraine International Airlines Boeing 737 carrying 176 people crashed outside Tehran shortly after takeoff. at 7,952 ft. ... Iran's official state news agency said the plane crashed because of an engine fire caused by a technical fault. It didn't explain how that conclusion was reached.26 mins ago

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-air-boeing-737-crashes-in-iran-11578457714

~OGD~

by oldenGoldenDecoy on Wed, 01/08/2020 - 6:05am

I think they pulled down that initial snap judgment, now waiting for a real investigation. Assume something looked awry on slightly closer glance.

Black box not going to Boeing either - guess after the 7373 Max crashes, they're about as trusted as Volkswagen on emissions.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/08/iran-says-it-will-not-give...

by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 01/08/2020 - 10:28am

WaPo 1 hr. ago: Ukraine bans flights from Iranian airspace after passenger plane crashes, killing 176

At least one expert said it appeared the plane, which had departed from an airport south of Tehran, was “not intact” before it hit the ground.

By Isabelle Khurshudyan, Erin Cunningham and Sarah Dadouch

Also:

by artappraiser on Wed, 01/08/2020 - 6:03pm

Mullahs can't shoot straight:

NEW: “We have intelligence from multiple sources including our allies and our own intelligence. The evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by an Iranian surface to air missile. This may well have been unintentional”
—Canadian PM Trudeau in press conference just now
— Robbie Gramer (@RobbieGramer) January 9, 2020

U.S. Officials Believe Iran Shot Down Ukrainian Airliner. My latest with @laraseligman @columlynch https://t.co/P3BfBGylYw
— Robbie Gramer (@RobbieGramer) January 9, 2020

edit to add:

Trudeau: Canadians want answers, I want answers. That means closure, transparency accountability, and justice. And this government will not rest until we get that.
— Robbie Gramer (@RobbieGramer) January 9, 2020

by artappraiser on Thu, 01/09/2020 - 2:43pm

NYTimes:

U.S. Officials Have ‘Confidence’ Ukraine Airliner Was Shot Down

An Iranian missile likely brought down the plane accidentally, officials said. Iran, via an international agency, has invited U.S. investigators to assist.

36m ago

by artappraiser on Thu, 01/09/2020 - 2:50pm

WaPo: U.S. now believes Ukrainian airliner was brought down by Iran

President Trump was asked about the crash and said: “Somebody could have made a mistake on the other side. ... Not our system. No. It has nothing to do with us.”

By Isabelle Khurshudyan, Missy Ryan, Dan Lamothe and Paul Sonne
51 minutes ago

by artappraiser on Thu, 01/09/2020 - 2:55pm

Trudeau video:

Unbelievable https://t.co/KgVcjjh8VG
— Borzou Daragahi (@borzou) January 9, 2020

by artappraiser on Thu, 01/09/2020 - 3:45pm

After MH17, the Dutch Safety Board made recommendations, including to @ICAO, on show to stop such a shoot-down from happening again. https://t.co/JXYSHIPA8Q
— Paul Sonne (@PaulSonne) January 9, 2020

by artappraiser on Thu, 01/09/2020 - 3:46pm

Video Shows Ukrainian Plane Being Hit Over Iran https://t.co/VhjRfomhnJ
— Borzou Daragahi (@borzou) January 9, 2020

by artappraiser on Thu, 01/09/2020 - 3:51pm

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iranian state TV, citing a military statement, says the country ‘unintentionally’ shot down a Ukrainian jetliner, killing all 176 aboard.

The statement came Saturday morning and blamed “human error” for the shootdown.
— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) January 11, 2020

by artappraiser on Fri, 01/10/2020 - 10:42pm

Unprecedented - Iran apologises for shooting down Ukrainian plane - According to Army statement, the plane was shot down "unintentionally due to human error" https://t.co/eRMxiCYPK4
— Mehrzad Kohanrouz (@MehrzadBBC) January 11, 2020

by artappraiser on Fri, 01/10/2020 - 11:19pm

Two things I’d note about Iran’s admission.

1. Contrast with Russia’s ongoing denial about MH17.
2. Very curious if the emergence of public evidence of a missile strike made denial impossible.

Again, from earlier: how that evidence accrued. https://t.co/K2K3TqIOEw
— Philip Bump (@pbump) January 11, 2020

by artappraiser on Fri, 01/10/2020 - 11:23pm

#Iran's Armed Forces statement: While the plane was turning around, it went toward a sensitive military center of #IRGC and it was at an altitude & in the shape of a hostile aircraft, in which the aircraft was inadvertently hit base on human error.#IranPlaneCrash #UkrainianPlane
— Abas Aslani (@AbasAslani) January 11, 2020

by artappraiser on Fri, 01/10/2020 - 11:37pm

"Khamenei is expired. His govt is murderous," they chant in front of Tehran's Sharif University pic.twitter.com/xoxzdz16uH
— Borzou Daragahi (@borzou) January 11, 2020

by artappraiser on Sat, 01/11/2020 - 10:55am

This is not orchestrated by #Iran's regime. These are #Iranians chanting "Death to Liars" who attempted to cover up #ukraineplanecrash. These are accumulative protests of people who are fed up.

Media that was enchanted w/ crowds over #Soleimani's funeral needs to expose this. pic.twitter.com/tSqFpDMzTV
— Fatima Alasrar (@YemeniFatima) January 11, 2020

by artappraiser on Sat, 01/11/2020 - 1:13pm

Strangely this is prolly the most quickly truthful they've been.

by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 01/11/2020 - 2:45pm

yes. I get the impression it is like an extension of the anger about "the mullahs" in general, there is a seizing on anything they can find. After all, they shot to kill protestors in Dec.

by artappraiser on Sun, 01/12/2020 - 1:59pm

p.s. It is the Zarif wing, I am sure. Just from seeing his twitter feed. (I honestly don't know if the man is sincere or is a cynical political operative. I think: does it really matter? As he is consistent with that persona.) He's obviously trying to get across to the mullahs that they must come out with humble humane messages at this time, (bonus win with that: the opposite of saber rattling is also the opposite of Trump) that that's the way to win both global support and calm the protests. They endanger their very existence by doing otherwise. But protestors are not in a mood to accept appeasement, the deaths and arrests have been very brutal.

by artappraiser on Sun, 01/12/2020 - 2:38pm

Wow: Iranian students in front of Amir Kabir University in Tehran protest regime downing of passenger plane full of students. "Resignation is not enough. Prosecution is necessary," they chant https://t.co/xBG3cQINPe
— Borzou Daragahi (@borzou) January 11, 2020

Iran regime thugs who murdered students in the air now beating and teargassing them on the streets in front of Amir Kabir University pic.twitter.com/PpLe7epbmP
— Borzou Daragahi (@borzou) January 11, 2020

by artappraiser on Sat, 01/11/2020 - 11:00am

Purported protests in Esfahan:

People out in Esfahan protesting against the Islamic Republic and Khameneis rule. #IranProtests pic.twitter.com/Y6whZM3hQZ
— Dennis Naghizadeh (@DenzDejz) January 11, 2020

“Our enemy is right here;
They lie when they say it’s the US”#Iranprotests in Esfahan
January 11, 2020 pic.twitter.com/xnR7AWqz0J
— Shahin Milani (@shahinmilani81) January 11, 2020

by artappraiser on Sat, 01/11/2020 - 1:00pm

BBC confirmation of Tehran protests:

Protests break out in Tehran #Iran tonight following Gov. admission of unintentionally shooting down Ukrainian plane (176 died, 82 Iranian).

“Down with Khamenei” “We don’t want an Islamic Republic” are some of slogans. BBC video: pic.twitter.com/1i5OfaL0WY
— Joyce Karam (@Joyce_Karam) January 11, 2020

by artappraiser on Sat, 01/11/2020 - 1:04pm

IRGC Aerospace Command takes full responsibility in press conference, absolves others, see entire thread here of translations:

IRGC Aerospace Cmdr.: The officials, including Aviation authorities, who kept denying the missile hit, are not guilty. They made those remarks based on what they knew. We are to blame for everything.
— Reza Khaasteh (@Khaaasteh) January 11, 2020

by artappraiser on Sat, 01/11/2020 - 11:06am

Terrific insight, again, on current Iranian attitude from @yashar https://t.co/RByvyYOyE9
— Scott Sands (@scottsands) January 12, 2020

Tensions High As Iranians Continue Protests Over Downing Of Ukrainian Jet https://t.co/7L0cPJCi78
— Small Wars Journal (@smallwars) January 12, 2020

by artappraiser on Sun, 01/12/2020 - 2:03pm

This is an amazing image, protestors not walking on Israeli (!) and American flags. This reminds me of the Hong Kong protestors, there is a sharing of some ideology, freedom of speech seems to be the thing that they are admiring?

Student protesters at Tehran’s Beheshti University take pains to avoid trampling on US and Israeli flags painted on entrance walkway pic.twitter.com/mqqzT0D9gK
— Borzou Daragahi (@borzou) January 12, 2020

And here's an interesting agitprop thing I ran across:

Iranians brilliantly taking regime propaganda incl religious symbols & flipping against em
photo 1- Suleimani alledgedly going to heaven & hugged by Imam Hussein
Photo 2- Suleimani going to hell and welcomed by arch vilain Yazid
The clue is: flipping the color from green to red pic.twitter.com/k1pjk9ISH4
— Weddady (@weddady) January 12, 2020

by artappraiser on Sun, 01/12/2020 - 2:08pm

Looking like they weren't exactly planning on admitting shooting it down:

BBC News - Iran Plane Downing: Person Who Filmed Video 'Arrested' https://t.co/85P7g2A9ow
— Small Wars Journal (@smallwars) January 15, 2020

by artappraiser on Wed, 01/15/2020 - 5:36am

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