MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Latest Impeachment Trial
By moat on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 5:35pm |If I was Richard Day, I would give you a link to follow the event and yell as I saw fit.
But this is 2021, you all follow it as you can. I have run out of chips and salsa.
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I will start off by noticing that the complaints about due process in the impeachment proceeding (presented by the Defense) seem to have no connection to the desire expressed by some to have no witnesses in the Senate trial.
by moat on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 5:45pm
Interesting tactic that Castor chose to highlight Ben Sasse's predicament to the other GOP Senators:
To me, that's arguing to other GOP senators: are you here to represent your constituents view of what the common creed Constitution means or some abstract originalist interpretation? It's certainly not a traditionally conservative way of looking at things, populism and which way the wind is blowing...
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 5:56pm
That looks like a straight up thug thing to me. Reminding a jurist of the crowd assembled outside the court house is not a legal argument.
by moat on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 6:03pm
Hopefully, these lawyers got their money in cash upfront and made sure it wasn't counterfeit or printed in disappearing ink.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 6:42pm
Or they are investing is some future that may or may not happen.
It seems their concern has no regard for what is happening now.
by moat on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 6:48pm
It's all Dogecoin now, baby. Everything you've ever known is on fire.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 6:52pm
I suppose that is the case in some references.
But we all wake up to the same stuff to some extent.
by moat on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 6:58pm
The Republican Party no longer believes in democracy
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/republican-party-radicalizing-against-democracy/617959/
It will be surprising if Republicans convict Donald Trump. Republicans in Congress, for the most part, are traitors. There cannot be unity.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 7:49pm
The majority of Republican voters think the election was stolen from Trump
They have no problem discarding votes from certain neighborhoods
Why would I want to have unity with these scumbags?
We can discuss the reasons they need to change.
Edit to add:
The words of the Senate chaplain
The choice is between truth vs falsehood, and good versus evil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI2QbwyJLMM
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 9:05pm
The highest that a man can reach on this earth is to give his name to an historic era, stamping it indelibly with his personality. That is true in the broadest sense of the Führer. The present world is unimaginable without him!
Dr. Joseph Goebbels
In the Führer, a single man with one goal who applied his passionate will in a time that lacked will. A single man proclaimed freedom during the years of slavery!
Kurt Eggers
by NCD on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 8:58pm
Hey hey NCD...
Goebbels? Whistling a different tune two years later ...
At least he saved some money on a rope.
~OGD~
by oldenGoldenDecoy on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 1:53pm
I saw this a couple hours ago from a Dem lawyer and it confused me, even though I admit I did see tweets of Castor saying things Trump might not like
Until I saw this, by Maggie Haberman and Grueksin retweeted by her; all clear now
she's added more things now after publishing, like these. Well worth a visit to her twitter feed
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 9:55pm
p.s.Maggie's been busy
gathering all these retweets about the "Castor disaster"
there's more....
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 10:05pm
George Conway retweeted these on the Castor Disaster and other related:
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 10:19pm
"Castor bests Giuliani" appears to be a popular meme, a sampling of many:
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 10:53pm
Castor going down in legal history as the worst lawyer ever?
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 11:24pm
Cornyn, Cruz, Cassidy, Murkowksi, Collins on Castor's argument:
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 11:15pm
I had to mute Castor periodically because it was like watching Lucy do something too embarrassing to witness.
On positive side for him, there was hardly anything that could be rebutted in his statement. Defense by Dada.
by moat on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 9:28am
Frank Luntz seven hours ago:
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 10:21pm
On McConnell's vote:
(found via Maggie Haberman retweet)
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 10:25pm
a reminder that over a dozen Capitol rioters are now using the defense of: Trump told me to do it:
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 10:29pm
Adam's self-description: Author of Kill Switch: The Rise of the Modern Senate @LiverightPub | Exec. Director @_Battle_Born_ | Fmr Deputy COS, Sen. Harry Reid |@fightmonopolies | He/Him
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 10:36pm
Rick Wilson retweeted:
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 10:44pm
in case you missed the big picture, Axios did this good summary, the main news is that they voted 56-44 that the trial is Constitutional:
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 11:05pm
The best defense no money can buy.
Now we're focused on Trump's lawyer, and sympathizing he didn't get a fair break
The contrast of ineptitude vs preparation & logic only goes in Trump's favor - another "heads i win, tails you lose" GOP specialty, it's own brand of chutzpah (like the older brand, "let us show you how bad we can mismanage government to prove that government's bad and we really should shrink government")
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 12:11am
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 1:04pm
re 1A is the President, using our tax dollars, our military, all the other resources behind him to hold a rally pulling in lots of help from all branches of government - then supposed to be able to hide behind the 1st Amendment? To reference Reagan, we paid for that podium and mic. And Trump used it to work against the duties of his job, and the obligations to the other branches of government he's supposed to execute for. If the CEO of WalMart says "WalMart sucks, we have crappy service and cheap products" he'd be fired that day - he can take his 1st Amendment elsewhere. Why should Trump be so so different?
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 1:17pm
Raskin handles 1A nicely
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/02/10/raskin-trump-first-am...
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 2:29pm
$50m premeditated. State by state extortion.
Illegal threats from POTUS on state officials.
Not just a spontaneous uprising.
Big money, heavily cultivated.
Misusing/abusing the levers of government.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 4:16pm
Law and order. I just really realized the linguistics and semiology of the phrase. It's not just about law! It's also about order!
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 5:38pm
I've always had a fondness for this type of video from the mother country:
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 5:43pm
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 5:50pm
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 6:00pm
It was amazing seeing all of that on TV live and will certainly aid in prosecution of all those involved in actually storming the capital. Two things I kept thinking about all through it though:
1) where'd all of you go that were so pleased as punch to build a narrative from a few photos and clips that the Capitol Police were welcoming all the rioting white people into the halls of congress?
2) will it not follow, likewise, the opposite, that those Senators who are skeptical that Trump's speech is responsible for the formation of this violent mob, think that the prosecution has similarly, by selective editing, built a flip side narrative that makes it look more violent and frightening than it was? after all, not all attendees of the rally stormed the Capitol.
This is actually what jurors have to do all the time in like murder cases, they get told two stories/narratives created from evidence, and if the lawyers are any good, the stories will play on their personal emotions and prejudices.
BUT jurors are supposed to divine the reality between the two competing visions and set aside their personal emotions and prejudices.
THEN throw in, THIS IS DIFFERENT, that this trial is not about any of the people in those videos, but about Donald Trump, who wasn't physically there.
SO all in all what do we got here? Great work helping prosecutors around the country get tough treatment of all the rioters arrested! Convincing that it's Trump's fault? May backfire! Some may only see an attempt to manipulate personal emotions.
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 6:12pm
Hoping the prosecution has the $50 mill ad budget, the Roger Stone/Proud Boys planning, the Jan 5 meetings, the weeks of preparation all lined up.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 6:15pm
doesn't sound like they are going to go there, more like the opposite.because he is stressing that lots of Trump friendlies were begging him to act, like including Jared and Ivanka, Kellyanne Conway..Kevin Mc Carthy begging for help from Congress etc..the derelict commander in chief thing and now he's seguing into how Donald STILL seemed to care only about somehow delaying the certification long after friendlies tried to get him to act...didn't care about protecting Congress from attack, just about delaying the certification..and that actually he may have been happy about what was happening...
I think that's smart, actually, all the other stuff drags in the politics. It's like: President Jared wouldn't do this.
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 6:42pm
and now they are stressing the putting a target on Pence's back, including the buildup of days of attacking Pence followed by him inspiring the hang Mike Pence chant at the rally and knowing it was happening while watching tv, he didn't just stop it, he fueled it with a tweet at 2:20 pm, attacking Mike Pence, an hour and half into the attack, further incites the mob against his own V.P. etc.
smart prosecution
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 6:48pm
this was one of the real slam dunk damning points:
by artappraiser on Thu, 02/11/2021 - 3:10am
and related message:
by artappraiser on Thu, 02/11/2021 - 3:12am
Hopefully Trump coordinating real time across Twitter is enough - yes, avoids the complications of December Proud Boy meetings, September stop the steal claims, but if the Republicans are insistent on being dense, is hard whatever evidence is produced. Part/most has to be driven by public opinion.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 02/11/2021 - 4:04am
Trump SecDef helped obstruct -
set the National Guard up for failure
(see referenced doc)
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 02/11/2021 - 5:52am
another two who obviously think this is a "slam dunk":
and here is a SCUSE:
over which if this were a real trial one would have subpoena of Fox News....
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 4:27pm
apparently there may be more argument about this?
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 4:31pm
yup the big time peanut gallery jumping in:
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 4:32pm
The sneering reminder that dereliction of duty is not one of the charges was a nice touch. I hope I am never so ably defended.
by moat on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 4:32pm
it is even noted as a slam dunk by The Washington Examiner:
BTW, as to the overall, I agree with this tweet from Kristol. The vote itself doesn't matter that much. What mattered was having a clear Congressional record for history. And a majority approved an impeachment trial so that would happen, and the prosecutors did an excellent job. That's mainly what was needed. The rest, who votes what, that will be very clear on the historical record now and the why will be very easy to see why in most cases. The process well executed is the real prize they were after and it's been done.
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 1:08am
ok RIGHT NOW, they just came back from dinner, first thing up is what Trump was doing at the same time. THIS IS THE REAL ARGUMENT. Rep. David Cicilline...
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 6:23pm
res ipsa loquitor
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 7:01pm
Republicans will have to vote to convict Donald John Trump
Refusal to convict confirms that the GOP is no longer interested in democracy.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 7:10pm
handling of last kerfuffle of the session is evidence of a totally savvy apolitical prosecution of one man
As much as some would like this to be about huge conspiracies, the prosecution so far is wisely sticking to the point of this one trial Leave the rest to the DOJ and other entities. A reminder that there's another presidency going on right now that would eventually like the country's attention.
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 7:38pm
Lee is probably worrying that hs attempt to separate himself from the shit show won't draw a crowd of thugs to his door.
by moat on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 7:50pm
yes I was watching, I definitely saw personal panic, whatever the actual fear was, seemed very much personal fear that he would be on the official record on that
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 7:54pm
More related to Lee and the Tuberville phone call, Tuberville's talking tonight, maybe Lee knew he would?
also I see this just now:
What Sen. Mike Lee told me about Trump’s call the day of the Capitol riot
The call became a controversial part of the impeachment trial on Wednesday.
By Bryan Schott Feb. 10, 2021, 9:09 p.m.| Updated: 9:12 p.m. @ Salt Lake Tribune
by artappraiser on Thu, 02/11/2021 - 2:22am
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 02/11/2021 - 2:18am
The Impeachment Managers did a good job of showing how the violence could have been curtailed if Trump wasn't focused upon his agenda. The pattern for condoning violence in the past was established. There was plenty of information available about what the people assembled were capable of.
The Defense is basically reduced to arguing their client is a moron.
by moat on Thu, 02/11/2021 - 8:48pm
But he *is* a moron! A talented, psychopathic megalomaniac moron, but indeed a moron. Is that a get out of jail free card?
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 1:16am
But there is no jail to get out of with this process anyways. It is just for the historic record. Conviction would mean only that he can't run for office. Everyone is pretty sure he won't get convicted. So votes are just for the record too.
Meanwhile his real problem is he can't run for office without access to social media where he has developed his skills. A reminder that he rarely obeyed political handlers, his "skills" are direct to the public off the cuff manipulation. He could hold rallies but television will no longer broadcast them.
So he has to start up his own media and he would have to do that while constantly dealing with all kinds of court cases. No doubt there are people with more money that will attempt to help him with those things and then nickling and diming small donor diehard fans in the regional GOP where he is still popular.
Other politicians could try to take up the Trumpism mantle and then fly him in for endorsement rallies. But he is a quixotic egotist and can turn on anyone in a NY minute.
At 74, where's the time to accomplish all these feats?
So without him in charge, anyone that tries will be mutant versions. That's not a hunky dory situation but it will be different. As moat has noted many times, there is no original Trumpism without Trump.
I do think it a shame that he will get the pension and post-presidential perks if acquitted. But just gotta let that go along the lines of: we pay for a lot of other stupid stuff including pensions and perks for lots of assholes who did bad stuff.
I can't help but think how many are underestimating how the freedom of the press, the fourth estate, is helping our democracy here! It's precisely their freedom to ban access in this situation is a giant plus.
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 1:02pm
p.s. heard one legal commentator say the job of the defense is to try to salvage whatever possible of the Trump brand, sounded correct to me. The GOP and Trumpism has lost a lot with the post Jan. 6 brand, rather than gaining anything, so that's what they have to try to fix, that there are fewer fans, not more. They are still a problematic number, but there's no way to gain after Jan. 6.
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 1:15pm
He ain't got that many years left.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 1:36pm
The lack of due process argument would have more beef if witnesses are to be called for the trial underway.
Like all the people with Trump during the riot.
by moat on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 12:29pm
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 1:57pm
I am not listening today, so I found this helpful:
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 2:40pm
Sully's opinion of interest to me as he is the kind of conservative one would want to woo with prosecution arguments:
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 3:40pm
CNN/Raju update on schedule:
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 3:43pm
The elites doth protest and/or ridicule, which they probably should if done skillfully, but sounds like culture wars branding work to me, and makes perfect sense if you understand what this trial is basically for--
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 3:58pm
a past and current practitioner of the art of conservative talk radio hosting attest to the fact that the culture warring tactic works:
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 4:58pm
and Charlie also just retweeted this, which is what we are going to have clearly in the history books from this formal account, the culture wars and change the subject tactics may work as far as current politics, but the facts will be glaringly clear to anyone reading the record:
and to me, that's the only reason to do this. We knew going in there weren't the votes to convict, and that's not the point of this exercise. Again, what would convicting him mean in reality anyways? Not much difference in punishment, not going to change many minds out there right now. The point was to have a legal congressional record of the situation, and I still think highly of the record we are getting, to the minute. Lots of bang for our tax bucks, even the Trumpie bullshit, which is there but kept to a minimum. Very well run, very well executed, we should be proud. Bonus: reinforcing the choices of those who have recently left the GOP party in disgust.
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 5:36pm
The chorus of "charges brought without investigation" kind of makes people want to investigate stuff. The Defense is giving a template of what a nonpolitical investigation would look like.
Garland must be nodding his head while sharpening his blade as the trial unfolds.
by moat on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 5:45pm
What if? What if Pence had been executed on the gallows the cult erected outside the Capitol?
Lindsey Graham "This was a terrible crime, I would support a letter of censure for the Democratic mayor of DC for allowing this to happen. Donald Trump deserves only praise for stopping the violence quickly and effectively. Democrats are using the passing of a great statesman for a relentless partisan attack on a president whose only crime was wanting legal votes recorded."
GOP senators, except 4, vote no on impeachment, vindicating Trump.
by NCD on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 4:18pm
Wow. Hawley gave the defense a layup question and they waste it on a hissy fit.
by moat on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 4:45pm
general observation on "question time":
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 4:47pm
Mary Trump just a few minutes ago:
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 5:04pm
related:
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 5:12pm
The defense keeps talking about what has not been investigated. He protest too much.
by moat on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 5:29pm
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 6:56pm
BOMBSHELL:
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 7:59pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 8:04pm
Maybe the best T-Shirt slogan of all time.
by moat on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 8:39pm
Trump ordered the Code Red - and he'd do it again!
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 1:16am
edit to add some retweets from Maggie Haberman
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 9:20pm
on McCarthy BOMB-Republican Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler personally re-confirms via statement and tweet I hr. ago!
this guy replies to her for a lot of us:
edit to add more from Kyle Cheney:
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 11:08pm
NYTimes Editorial Board Feb. 12, 7:55 p.m. ET: Trump Is Guilty
There’s no doubt who must be held responsible for attacking the Capitol and trying to overturn the results of the election.
Washington Post Editorial Board, Feb. 12, 4:13 p.m. ET: Trump’s lawyers had no defense because there is none
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 8:22pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 9:21pm
fun sideshow > answers to this tweet:
have gone viral @ "Because Rand Paul"
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 9:49pm
WOW, Philly's Election Commissioner tweets a very strong direct message to Mitch McConnell:
(found retweeted by Maggie Haberman)
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 10:56pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/12/2021 - 11:11pm
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 12:35am
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 12:45am
Senate Witnesses! More popcorn!
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_6027d92ac5b6d667582d1689
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 10:37am
I guess we are going to see some of the due process the Defense complained was missing.
by moat on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 11:30am
Oh well, show was canceled.
Sorry, no refunds.
by moat on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 1:05pm
this thread has a lot of interesting replies, suggestions from smart people on why the cancellation of the show occurred:
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 1:11pm
Intrigue involved!
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 2:22pm
wish I had seen this:
ridicule of the defense attorney is an important power message
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 1:59pm
Can have Meghan Markle do the depositions on their Toronto "Suits" set. That's be classy - almost royal treatment.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 2:38pm
The Senate gave him a McCarthy: Who the fuck do you think you are talking to?
by moat on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 4:12pm
yez, very good, exactly!
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 4:18pm
good line, each vote will live in infamy, a major snapshot in time of the Senate:
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 2:38pm
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 2:52pm
Happy Hour down at McFee's, a lot of dirges and wailing. People welching on the tab. (oops, not PC)
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 3:16pm
hmmm, Walter didn't like today's show, and he's not chopped liver:
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 3:17pm
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 3:20pm
Susan Collins just voted guilty.
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 3:39pm
Murkowski too. Mitch went with not guilty. Romney with guilty.
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 3:38pm
the vote via Manu Raju, individual tally on his thread:
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 3:46pm
going on right now:
AND continuing with slamming of those who voted not guilty and "saluting" the Republicans who voted guilty.
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 3:52pm
link "14th Amendment" trending on Twitter, including by a multitude of big names (I believe Seth deserves responsibility for that)
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 4:34pm
verification that Jan. 6 riot does not even poll well with Trump fans:
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 4:48pm
but Nate Silver has also seen those polls and suggests Lindsey is going to have a real tough row to hoe:
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 5:15pm
What the certification on 1/6 showed was that all the maneuvering inside and outside of Congress to overturn the election was futile. Having failed, the promise it wouldn't belongs to the loser who tried. Most Republicans probably prefer Presidents who don't get captured and sent to a camp in South Florida.
by moat on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 6:00pm
important (and scary) translation of Trump statement by Maggie Haberman:
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 4:51pm
to which a multitude on Twitter reply:
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 5:08pm
DeSantis will stop extradition
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 6:51pm
actually raises interesting theoreticals--along those lines I think I saw Palm Beach ruled he could stay there despite the agreement that it wasn't to be a residence because he's an employee of Miralago. So does that mean he's not really a resident of Florida? or what? stuff like that. (example: NY is real strict on people who try to get out of paying NY state income taxes by saying they are residents of Florida but are actually spending more than half the year in NYC.)
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 8:13pm
proving Maggie right:
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 5:33pm
From his mouth to God's ear
by moat on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 5:58pm
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 6:58pm
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 7:05pm
just sounds like true old fashioned conservative principles to me, Bill Buckley would be proud
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 7:41pm
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 7:15pm
Politico "McConnell scorches Trump":
actually I'm glad they wrote this up because I wasn't listening, I expected the usual blather
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 8:18pm
(he's emeritus @ AEI)
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 9:22pm
David Frum:
and David Remnick:
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 9:00pm
Raskin, 40 minutes ago:
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 9:04pm
the acquiters basically represent the same loony 1/3 of the country that have bedeviled our progress for decades, plus a few percentage points extra:
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/13/2021 - 9:44pm
Mitt sums it up - we weren't dreaming or just talking to ourselves.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 02/14/2021 - 12:41am
He's running!? For head of new party? Already a leader in the Problem Solver's Caucus.
Elders have special duties and responsibilities during their time here on earth, after all!
This guy, a major Trumpie, knows the threat. He replied as follows to Mitt's tweet, trying to paint him with the elite establishment Never Trumper thing
Problem with that particular Trumpie populist meme coming up: capitalism is becoming extremely popular, may be a feature, not a bug (new Mitt quote: SPACS are people, my friend?
)
by artappraiser on Sun, 02/14/2021 - 2:11am
Maybe this one too
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 02/14/2021 - 3:05am
Question for Nancy
(yes, they have Constitutional background)
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 02/14/2021 - 12:44am
by artappraiser on Sun, 02/14/2021 - 4:20am
In case you forgot...
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 02/14/2021 - 6:53am
Well, the old boy ain't no Karen Carpenter. He also called the trial another "witch hunt." It was more of a bitch punt.
Graham takes the ball at his five yard line with lots of cheerleaders but few players able to make plays. McConnell just urinated upon Cruz and Hawley. I am putting a six pack on to the Cassidy/Cheney team.
by moat on Sun, 02/14/2021 - 3:26pm
there is hope for Biden if the soothsayer moat is betting on the Cassidy/Cheney team.
Actually gets me thinking, what will happen is the children will be distracted by culture wars-with Trump if can manage it without Twitter, without him in a more scattered way if he can't--including the liberal children getting exploding heads WHILE THE GROWNUPS DO STUFF BEHIND THE SCENES.
The difference between now and before is real important: he has no power of office!!! Demagoguery is all he's got. Without Twitter and Facebook to communicate.
If he does rabble rousing, the FBI and the DOJ are hard on the rabble asses for the forseeable future.
The only REAL trouble (not the virtual culture wars kind) comes from those state and local governments where the GOP in power are also Trump fans?
On a national level, it's just Punch and Judy show culture wars to distract from things that will get done because Biden is pushing them and the actual GOP worker bees will try to water them down but they'll get done.
Trump hasn't talked policy in his life, he's not going to stay more than a NY minute on any one thing they are doing and he has no way to communicate it anyways.
Extra added positives: both national GOP leaders have come out where they stand. McConnell has very strongly identified now as anti-Trump and anti-Marjorie Greene. And needs be said about McCarthy is your favorite T-shirt line who do you think you're talking to? which will be more operative now that Trump is no longer POTUS.
by artappraiser on Sun, 02/14/2021 - 4:22pm
Yes, the central struggle will be in state and local offices plus party apparatuses that are pumping out censures right now. While that puts immediate pressure upon the untrumps, it also broadcasts to any who would like a different caucus to get busy for the next go around. The Mitch Mantra for decades has been that the GOP can afford to appeal to the crazy because the Big Boys will be calling the shots regarding taxes and finance. That cost benefit analysis has just received new input. The Gingrich Gang take over of the party is being challenged for the first time since it began. Doesn't mean the challenge will work, of course.
Apart from the question of who is invested in the brand, the last four years did not produce the change that made so many enthusiastic in 2015/2016. He is going to be in court soon. His money stream will not improve unless he demonstrates more situational awareness than he has for the last year. He went out of his way to dismiss most of the people who got him into power. Slapping Graham and McCarthy to be his donkeys is not a good look.
by moat on Sun, 02/14/2021 - 5:16pm
ALSO TOO super important, your comments about Mitch coming out anti-Gingrich gave me the reminder of the phenomenon:
BUSINESS LEADERS URGE CONGRESS TO CERTIFY BIDEN WIN
I tried to keep it all on one thread for a reason, it went on and on, day after day. Big donor money out the door for anyone supporting Trump challenges. Virtually 90% of the country's big businesses came out anti-Trump insurrectionism. After Jan. 6 probably made it 100%, all with dug-in-heels. (My Pillow is left out there alone, I think even Goya-oh boya-may have deserted him after Jan. 6?) Big corps want populist insurrectionism like a whole in the head.
State and local GOP might think twice about supporting Trumpism after a visit or two to the big local employers in the area with hat in hand. SORRY NO MONEY FOR YOU AS LONG AS YOU CONTINUE TO FLOG THAT MEME.
(As to wooing new large businesses to your area if you support Trump insurrectionism instead of rule of law: FUGGEDABOUTIT. No way, it's the antithesis of the meme, you want to get out of the locales that have no rule of law, don't need more disputed elections, insurrections, coups and quasi-coups been there done that in Latin America...)
by artappraiser on Sun, 02/14/2021 - 5:47pm
As Ry Cooder sang: "Romance without finance is a nuisance."
In regards to appealing to large businesses, there is also a great concern to preserve smaller businesses that the GOP has promised they would support but carjacked immediately afterwards with big franchise moves. Agricultural communities really felt the burn of the vague Trade Deals. They don't like any of their options right now. They aren't taking any more IOUs from nobody.
by moat on Sun, 02/14/2021 - 6:24pm
Biden's statement is here
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/02/13/statement-by-president-joe-biden-on-the-senate-vote-in-the-trial-of-donald-trump/
He did not tweet it. He has been tweeting a whole lot of other stuff every day on how and why the country needs a rescue plan, covid relief
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden
by artappraiser on Sun, 02/14/2021 - 7:24am
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 02/15/2021 - 6:29pm
Hatch Act holdovers
(how many investigations were closed up; how many still hanging around, and what to do?)
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/18/trump-hatch-act-sands-biden-470037
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 02/19/2021 - 1:06am
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 02/20/2021 - 12:49pm
Supremes sing: Trump taxes!
(immediately)
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 02/22/2021 - 11:21am
Trump's lawsuits & investigations
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/18/politics/donald-trump-tax-returns-fin...
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 02/22/2021 - 12:06pm
Trump intimidation of GA SoS investigated
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 02/24/2021 - 4:16am
just retweeted by Walter Shaub
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/02/2021 - 6:23pm