MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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From April 18 until late July 2018, an armed insurrection in Nicaragua left hundreds of people dead.
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well, as to the present, whoever and whatever caused things to get to this point, the current government is not doing a bangup job of handling it:
from
‘There’s No Law’: Political Crisis Sends Nicaraguans Fleeing
By Kirk Semple from Managua for NYTimes.com, Aug. 6
by artappraiser on Fri, 08/24/2018 - 1:20pm
VIDEO: Can Costa Rica Handle The Refugees Fleeing Nicaragua
Al Jazeera, June 22
by artappraiser on Fri, 08/24/2018 - 1:27pm
All cannot be hunky dory and anti-Ortega propaganda about how awful things are, for this quite simple reason: there have been a lot of refugees from Nicaragua:
UN Refugee Agency Calls for International Solidarity for Costa Rica and Other Countries Hosting Nicaraguan Refugees
By Laura Alvarado @ The Cosa Rica Star, July 31, 2018
by artappraiser on Fri, 08/24/2018 - 1:35pm
U.N.'s human rights experts' verdict, Aug. 9 (with a very unfortunate use of terminology made viral by Trump, mho). My underlining:
Nicaragua must end 'witch-hunt' against dissenting voices – UN human rights experts
Following weeks of civil unrest in Nicaragua, a group of 11 UN independent human rights experts urged the Government on Thursday to stop the violent repression of protestors, which has left at least 317 people dead and 1,830 injured, stressing that "no one should be detained for the exercise of their human rights”.
by artappraiser on Fri, 08/24/2018 - 1:49pm
Here's Nicaraguan feminist writer and former Sandinista Gioconda Belli (...In 1970, Belli joined the struggle against the Somoza dictatorship, sworn into the movement by Camilo Ortega's wife Leana. Belli's work for the movement led to her being forced into exile in Mexico in 1975. Returning in 1979 just before the Sandinista victory, she became FSLN's nternational press liaison in 1982 and the director of State Communications in 1984...)
How Daniel Ortega Became a Tyrant; From Revolutionary to Strongman
for ForeignAffairs.com, Aug. 24
by artappraiser on Fri, 08/24/2018 - 3:54pm
excerpt (I recommend signing up for the site and reading it in full as the one free article per month):
by artappraiser on Fri, 08/24/2018 - 4:11pm
Dayum. Sorry to make everything Hillary, but the outrage over Hillary accepting the 2009 coup in Honduras was stupendous, but here's a much worse situation over the years - crickets.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 08/24/2018 - 4:45pm
Arta, I read everything you posted although I did not register to read the one piece in full. Because I am interested in Nicaragua I have been following the news about its troubles. In addition to news sites I have gone on Nicaragua expat forums. There is a range of opinions there too. I have already heard every anti-Sandinista and ant-Ortega charge made in in the pieces you quoted from. I also have read some rebuttals of the most lopsided charges. Did you actually read the article in "Fair"? Did you notice that it was mostly about biased reporting on the subject? It gave many examples. That said, everything you posted may be gospel. It certainly reminds me of the Seventh Day Adventist missionary whom I told that I did not accept the bible as as infallible reference to the true word of God. They pointed to scripture in the Bible that proved me wrong.
As I said, I have been paying attention and giving the story some thought. I can imagine snipers being used by instigators to ramp up violence and encourage the rioting and civil disruption. I cannot imagine anyone, whose interest was in trying to support the Sandinista government, thinking that murdering protestors would be a way to calm things down. It makes me wonder if I should automatically believe that the snipers acted in support of the Sandinista government even if an 'expert' who didn't witness it either said so. Maybe raiding hospitals and yanking babies from incubators and throwing them on the floor would make a better story. It worked once before. For a while. For long enough to serve its purpose.
by A Guy Called LULU on Fri, 08/24/2018 - 6:56pm
I could not possibly have interpreted that correctly, Lulu. In my take, you're suggesting that a government and/or its supporters would not kill people to squash continued opposition to said government. Please correct me.
by barefooted on Fri, 08/24/2018 - 7:03pm
I believe that government forces that were trying to stop the rioting crowds would meet them head on. I believe that sniping at the crowds would enrage the protestors and in affect encourage the revolt. I was not judging any government armed force as benevolent and above violence. Firing into both the crowd and the police ranks is a tactic of instigators.
by A Guy Called LULU on Fri, 08/24/2018 - 7:25pm
Reminds me of that Kiev discussion long ago where you were sure jackbooted Ukrainian government was firing into the crowd. where are those Ukrainian brownshirts now? I thought fer shure 4 years later we'd have gas ovens, but nada, zilch.
http://dagblog.com/comment/199385
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 08/24/2018 - 7:55pm
After all of that, you can't see that it's no longer the same Sandinista government? And Al Jazeera and the U.N. are in on the plot to hide that it's still all the U.S.' fault? Sometimes you sound worse than Qanon fans. Hot tip: when all kinds of varied media sources and independent observers that often disagree on a whole lot of other things generally agree about something that's going on somewhere: it might just not be the same old MSM conspiracy to lie for the powers that be.
Note: I didn't disagree with the deconstruction of the Reuters coverage by Fair. I just let that stand for a reason.What I did is go looking for MORE from others with other points of view. What I found in the end: it's not telling the whole story, all it's doing is picking on Reuters sloppiness.You, on the other hand, seem to have taken one FAIR story as evidence of your preconceptions and left it at that. Lulu's view of the world verified once again. What does it do for you to have the presumption that the U.S. controls what happens in the whole world and is the source of nearly everything gone bad?
I wasn't looking to argue with you. I was adding to the one thing you posted, to try to fill out the narrative for everyone to get more informed. Even thinking maybe someone else finds more interesting stuff and adds it. But then you reacted same old, same old polemics. As if everyone is as interested in fighting that particular polemic war as you are.
Given that, I don't really see you wanting to get informed on Nicaraguan situation, I see you wanting to confirm your bias about U.S. foreign policy that you've held for decades. Sorry, I just can't buy that you really are open minded about wanting to know what's going on in Nicaragua.
by artappraiser on Fri, 08/24/2018 - 7:25pm
On the meta here, I want to take a minute to make myself clear. I always read your replies but I often chose not to answer them. And I see you sometimes get upset with that. I want you to understand that I do that because I just don't like the same things you do, I don't want to debate Lulu's theory of the world over and over and over. I am not trying to insult, I am trying to stay away from insulting, by not answering. And letting you have last word.
I see it this way: you are stuck in a rut where you go around trying to prove something, a kind of conspiracy about the past and the western media's participation in believing U.S. leaders and not telling the truth to the public, and you do that now by cherry picking news about the current world to prove the point that it's all the same as it always was.
I don't think the 21st century is the same as 1970 I think things have changed. A lot. In a major way. I rarely like debating on any topic much less one that I don't agree with about what I think is long gone history. The problem is no longer that the powers that be control information and the media, it's more the opposite now: information chaos. I simply prefer trying to figure out what's going on present and trying from that to see a little into the near future. I am really not interested in arguing late 20th century foreign policy over and over according to an ideological construct favored by certain lefty websites.
by artappraiser on Fri, 08/24/2018 - 7:42pm
I would like to add that I put a link to the wikipedia entry on Giaconda Belli for a reason. I myself will often check out an author like that, especially for something like this. But also for those who weren't going to access the full piece. Though born to wealthy family, she was a genuine card carrying high level Sandinista and still appears to very much be a lefty simpatico with things like indigenous south american movements and feminism oriented toward latinas of the working class. The earlier part of the article makes it clear she is still proud of her involvement with the original Sandinista movement. What changed in her personal life: she married an American reporter for NPR, so she is partly in LA now <sarcasm> oh my gawd, sold out! totally explains the antipathy to Ortega, lying warmongering NPR, that's like going over to the dark side of the corporate evil MSM hegemon </sarcasm>
The woman is a true lefty Nicaraguan, not to mention heavily into (almost overly) politically correct socio-cultural causes, a former Sandinista who really hasn't changed her ways that much, okay? That tells me something about interpreting what she says now about Ortega. Gives her a certain credibility to make the claims she does.
I happen to think her essay is a rare chance for everyone interested to really get truth from an involved horse's mouth, and for that reason I really meant it when I recommended that people register to read it in full.
by artappraiser on Fri, 08/24/2018 - 8:36pm