MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE by Michael Wolraich Order today at Barnes & Noble / Amazon / Books-A-Million / Bookshop |
Paul Gilding starts his TEDTalk with four words that say almost everything: “The Earth is full.” It’s a terrifying concept. Have we really strained, mined and otherwise depleted the planet’s resources to the point where social collapse is inevitable? Gilding believes we have, and he launches into a defense of that notion.
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One of the books that I came across that had an immediate impact on my worldview was Meadows, Meadows and Randers' Beyond the Limits of Growth, which was a follow up to the original The Limits of Growth in 1972.
From the Beyond:
As it turns out (from Wikipedia)
by Elusive Trope on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 11:52am
This is all pretty grim stuff if you are trying to plan for and prepare for living in 2060 and beyond. I probably won't still be around at the age of one hundred and thirteen, but my kids will, I hope, be about my age then and my grandchildren will be entering middle age and likely have kids of their own.
Paul Gilding offers hope and optimism along with his warning just like the authors of The Limits of Growth do, but I think it is unrealistic to expect that any worldwide planned action significant enough to bring about the second summary conclusion in Limits will happen. Nature will do the winnowing, it will be extremely harsh and unforgiving, and then the surviving humanity will try to hang on and recover to whatever extent it can.
Yeah, it is possible, but don't bet on it. Altering the growth trends means controlling birth rates. It is hard to imagine a smooth transition from way too many people to a much smaller sustainable number and keeping the number low would require enforcement of reproduction limits.
by A Guy Called LULU on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 2:05pm
I can't say I am very optimistic about our prospects. Just looking at population and desertification trends is enough to send one into the doom and gloom mindset. I think the best we can hope for is to set up the possible solutions for when the proverbial poop hit the fan, so people won't have to start from scratch.
The one thing that will save us I think is what seems to be an almost biological imperative to gather in social groupings. Human history is as much about people's willingness to make sacrifices for the sake of civilization. The thing that was interesting about the series Deadwood was in spite of everything, even those who left "civilization" behind for the wild west still formed some kind of civilization. Maybe it is just an impulse to gravitate toward the orderly.
All of which indicates a likelihood people will willingly join a dystopian society rather than deal with chaos of anarchy and war.
by Elusive Trope on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 2:51pm
Smithsonian had an article Looking Back on the Limits of Growth, and hosted a symposium, Perspectives on Limits to Growth: Challenges to Building a Sustainable Planet. The first several presentations were rather dull, but the 48 minute youtube by Dennis Meadows was interesting.
by Donal on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 1:26pm
Does anyone realistically believe that the - not 1% but top 20% - will be willing to make the kinds of life style sacrifices necessary and live the austere kind of life needed for a sustainable economy ?
Reality check ! They go ballistic when they cannot send their kids to the private school of choice.
by cmaukonen on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 2:14pm
This is where the people who believe technology advancements will save the day. There is a way that the wealthy can have their private schools while operating in an environmentally sustainable manner. The notion is based on the belief that one can live sustainably and not have to live an austere life.
One little example is development of cars that are made from 95% recyclable materials. I lived in Seattle when they began their recycling program, and pretty soon one saw a good portion of the 20% people sorting their stuff into the four kinds of bins (now you can throw it all into one bin). When it is made convenient, the 20% is willing to jump onto the lightrails in order to commute into work. Then there is the Evil WalMart using a new kind of asphalt for their parking lots which allows the rainwater to drain into the earth below.
The question is all of these little things going to be enough to stop the environmental implosion? I doubt it. But if a way is found, it will be because we found a way for people to live a sustainable lifestyle that is similar to one they are living now.
by Elusive Trope on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 3:06pm
Silly boy.
by cmaukonen on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 5:25pm
If we could just figure out how to clone a Neanderthal-Luddite hybrid ...
by MrSmith1 on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 5:53pm
Q: Are we not men?
A: We are Devo.
by Elusive Trope on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 6:33pm
I was going to wait and comment on this 1/2 post later. hahahhahahahah
But damn!
DEVO!
Short for devolution instead of evolution which is so ironic today in the face of the new Tennessee law encasing the real emotions of the Scopes trial as exhibited by men of the Bible so to speak!
I was lost 4 years ago when I discovered, much to my dismay, that we never, as a people, got over the threshold of knowledge that I thought we had.
The designists (I forgot what they were called) were just a front for creationists which were just a front for crazed fundamentalists and all these peeps simply wished to get 'back' to some backward interpretation of a bible that was simply a book retranslated over the millennia.
2 + 5 = 39?
Okay.
So our children; tomorrow's students should eschew time honored functions?
I am lost and I am angry and I cannot find my way home!
I am always, always, always sent back to this:
by Richard Day on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 7:55pm