How Chaos in Kenosha Is Already Swaying Some Voters in Wisconsin

By artappraiser on Wed, 08/26/2020 - 9:12pm |

As residents see fires and looting, some worry that local Democratic leaders are failing to keep control of the situation.

“After feeling “100 percent on the fence” about who he will vote for in November, he is increasingly nervous that Democratic state leaders seem unable to contain the spiraling crisis.” https://t.co/ZVNixkn5FW
— Joe Scarborough (@JoeNBC) August 27, 2020

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As residents see fires and looting, some worry that local Democratic leaders are failing to keep control of the situation.

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This should be very concerning to Democrats, given the importance of Wisconsin to an electoral college majority. https://t.co/QHH8UtohLP
— Josh Kraushaar (@HotlineJosh) August 27, 2020

by artappraiser on Wed, 08/26/2020 - 9:13pm

Some of the related threads of mine

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MAJOR LOOTING BY HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE AND "RIOTING" IN DOWNTOWN CHICAGO Aug. 10-13

MAYOR LIGHTFOOT SAYS ‘PEOPLE WHO CAME FOR A FIGHT’ HIJACKED PROTEST AT COLUMBUS STATUE IN GRANT PARK July 21-25

THOSE CHARGED WITH DOWNTOWN CHICAGO LOOTING A MIX OF COLLEGE STUDENTS, out-of-work parents and convicted felons. But none have obvious ties to Englewood Aug. 15-21

TRUMP CAMPAIGN TV AD WITH "DEFUND THE POLICE" TOPIC July 14-Aug. 12

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THE BOOGALOO MOVEMENT IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK July 19-Aug. 18

THE CHAOS AGENTS: INSIDE THE BOOGALOO, AMERICA'S EXTREMELY ONLINE EXTREMISTS Aug. 23-26

ANARCHIST BRAT SAT. NITE ACTION IN DENVER Aug. 22-25

[PROTEST REPORTING] DISPATCH FROM PORTLAND: THE MORNING CREW July 25-29

PORTLAND MAN CHARGED WITH ASSAULTING DEPUTY U.S. MARSHAL WITH EXPLOSIVE DEVICE DURING COURTHOUSE PROTEST Aug. 3-10

OREGON STATE POLICE LEAVING PORTLAND OVER LACK OF PROSECUTIONS Aug. 14

PORTLAND POLICE CHIEF'S STATEMENT ON ARSON TO MULTNOMAH COUNTY BUILDING AND CALL TO ACTION Aug. 19-25

[LOOTING EPIDEMIC] SACRAMENTO BUSINESS OWNERS DEMAND CITY LEADERS DO MORE OVER LOOTING June 2-15

AFTERMATH OF SANTA MONICA LOOTING SHOWS CITY IN RUINS | NBCLA, June 2

DOZENS OF CARS STOLEN FROM DODGE DEALERSHIP DURING SAN LEANDRO LOOTING, June 2

CHICAGO LOOTING MOVES INTO WICKER PARK, TARGETING BUSINESSES, June 2

SHATTERED GLASS IN SOHO AS LOOTERS RANSACK LOWER MANHATTAN (SUNDAY NIGHT), June 2

BLACK AMERICANS NOW ACCOUNT FOR THE HIGHEST INCREASE IN GUN SALES OF ANY DEMOGRAPHIC Aug. 16-26

much more on Seattle, Louisville, Atlanta, Minneapolis...

by artappraiser on Wed, 08/26/2020 - 10:08pm

The Kenosha Shooting Suspect Was In The Front Row Of A Trump Rally In January

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/kenosha-suspect-kyle-rittenhouse-trump-rally

Tucker Carlson Justifies Kenosha Shootings: Vigilante Kid Did What ‘No One Else Would’

https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucker-carlson-justifies-kenosha-shootings-says-rittenhouse-did-what-no-one-else-would

by rmrd0000 on Wed, 08/26/2020 - 10:25pm

What "no one else would", including Tucker a "hearse chasing" racist. A Trumpian coward, and multimillionaire, inciting hate and violence from his secured residence in Maine. Civil war is good for looting the country by the GOP and boosting Fox and hate radio ratings.

If the rubes think this is bad, reelect Trump, the "not my responsibility" narcissistic imbecile, who relishes fanning the flames at every opportunity, the chaos President.

by NCD on Wed, 08/26/2020 - 10:57pm

Civil war is good for looting

I think that's the message the "protesters" on the street are sending too.

But that might be a little too complicated for you to respond to. So I'll remind you I'm not voting this year. You can just insult me over that. That's closer to your intellectual level.

by ocean-kat on Wed, 08/26/2020 - 11:13pm

Not at all? No one down ticket? No resolutions?

by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 08/26/2020 - 11:17pm

Absolutely the anarchist crew both right and left want to see all of this happen and would be glad to have Trump win as that would make for more converts to the revolution. Nothing worse for them than moderates winning office, especially those with bi-partisan behavior. Discord and anger is the music to their ears.

by artappraiser on Wed, 08/26/2020 - 11:26pm

You can whine all you want about Fox News and righties on Facebook: It's very simple what has to be addressed for the low info voters and infrequent voters: why is all the looting and unrest (and the big police abuse cases as well) happening in cities with Democratic governments?

That's how they look at it, that's how they've always looked at it.

Lots of these people are not rabid racists, they just want things to get better, not worse, FOR EVERYONE. Not like say, Chicago or Baltimore. They don't want to live in such a place. They feel sorry for people who live in such a place. They felt sorry for New York City citizens when they lived in such a place and thought it wonderful when the crime rate and complaints about police went way way way down. Every swing state is like this! They don't want to live in such a place that has such apparent problems with both crime an policing. They see Dems running such places and if it happens to their town they throw the Dem bums out.

As a pol, it doesn't help to just say you are against looting and rioting and it is bad. You have to make a big show about doing something about it. Read the article.

by artappraiser on Wed, 08/26/2020 - 11:23pm

Exactly. Makes them look like wimps unable to not just enforce rules, but not able to control a mob. Mobs strike fear in every heart except the insane, the most basic thing any government sells is security from a mob.

As in Kenosha, what's the point of setting curfews if you don't enforce them? Is it the municipal version of a UN strongly-worded letter? https://t.co/BrEOienKWg
— Zaid Jilani (@ZaidJilani) August 27, 2020

Edit to add: and anarchists are unhappy with all forms of traditional government.

by artappraiser on Wed, 08/26/2020 - 11:56pm

With Wisconsin Unrest as Backdrop, Republicans Intensify Law-and-Order Message

On the third day of the convention, Vice President Mike Pence and other Republicans portrayed Democrats as tolerant of violence and riots. And they continued to try to soften President Trump’s image.

By Jonathan Martin and Alexander Burns @ NYTimes.com, Updated Aug. 27, 2020, 2:37 a.m. ET

WASHINGTON — Republicans used the third night of their convention on Wednesday to amplify warnings of violence and lawlessness under Democratic leadership, trying to capitalize on the worsening unrest in Wisconsin to reclaim moderate voters who might be reluctant to hand President Trump a second term.

The party also made appeals to social conservatives with attacks on abortion and accusations that the Democrats and their nominee, Joseph R. Biden Jr., were “Catholics in name only.” And they intensified their effort to lift Mr. Trump’s standing among women with testimonials vouching for him as empathetic and as a champion of women in the workplace — from women who work for him, a number of female lawmakers and his daughter-in-law, Lara Trump.

Speaking hours after Gov. Tony Evers of Wisconsin called in the National Guard to restore order to Kenosha, Wis., where a police officer shot a Black man this week, numerous Republicans led by Vice President Mike Pence assailed Mr. Biden for what they claimed was his tolerance of the vandalism that had grown out of racial justice protests, asserting that the country would not be safe with him as president.

“Last week, Joe Biden didn’t say one word about the violence and chaos engulfing cities across this country,” said Mr. Pence, standing before an array of American flags at Fort McHenry in Baltimore and vowing: “We will have law and order on the streets of this country for every American of every race and creed and color.”

Gov. Kristi Noem of South Dakota, a strong supporter of the president, said that Seattle, Portland, Ore., and other cities run by Democrats were being “overrun by violent mobs.” She likened the violence to the lead-up of the Civil War and asserted that people “are left to fend for themselves.”

Ms. Noem invoked a young Abraham Lincoln, claiming he had been “alarmed by the disregard for the rule of law throughout the country.”“He was concerned for the people that had seen their property destroyed, their families attacked and their lives threatened or even taken away,” she said, adding “Sound familiar?”

The intense focus on the rioting amounted to an acknowledgment by Republicans that they must reframe the election to make urban unrest the central theme and shift attention away from the deaths and illnesses of millions of people from the coronavirus. [....]

by artappraiser on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 2:55am

‘It’s playing into Trump’s hands’: Dems fear swing-state damage from Kenosha unrest

Some Wisconsin Democrats worry that the images of violence and destruction will turn suburban voters against the party.

By Natasha Korecki @ Politico.com, Aug. 27

My note: Paul Soglin, quoted in this article, in the 1960's was a famous radical on UW Madison campus who later "sold out" to become mayor of the city...I don't know how many terms, was gone by then and didn't pay attention. But in his yud, he was very very radical including as a protester...

KENOSHA, Wis. — Downtown buildings set ablaze by arsonists were still smoldering from the night before when Kirk Ingram started to paint an angel on his boarded-up store front.

Ingram, a Democrat who runs a massage therapy business, said the war-zone images of his city on TV — armed people running through the streets, burned cars and broken windows — were bolstering President Donald Trump's get-tough message. Maybe a few uplifting murals could start to tell a different story about Kenosha, Ingram said Wednesday.

[....]

As this battleground state grapples with social unrest, some Democrats fear that the looting and rioting and clashes are feeding Trump’s argument that this is what life would be like under the so-called radical left. The worry is that especially among suburban swing voters, the more upheaval and violence they witness, the more their sympathy for peaceful Black Lives Matters protesters will wane.

“There’s no doubt it’s playing into Trump’s hands,” said Paul Soglin, who served as mayor of Madison, on and off, for more than two decades. “There’s a significant number of undecided voters who are not ideological, and they can move very easily from Republican to the Democratic column and back again. They are, in effect, the people who decide elections. And they are very distraught about both the horrendous carnage created by police officers in murdering African Americans, and ... for the safety of their communities.”

[....]

Outrage in Wisconsin over the Blake shooting reverberated beyond the streets of Kenosha into the world of sports, when players for Milwaukee Bucks NBA team took the extraordinary step of boycotting a playoff game. The move set off a wave of other sports game cancellations, ensuring the Blake shooting and its aftermath would touch many more Americans.

On the ground in Kenosha, meanwhile, frustrations were palpable.

“The National Guard ought to be on the corners right now,” fumed resident Ron Dooley, who said he was on his way to check whether his favorite diner had been burned down. “Look at this.” he said pointing to blocks of boarded-up storefronts. “It looks like I’m in the slums of L.A.”

Ingram said Trump was already trying to capitalize on the city's anxieties.

“The opportunism of [Trump] in this swing state — he’s already pounced on that,” he said of the president's response. "He has already shot his big stream of gasoline on the flames here.”

Billy Stevens, an African American man who was helping paint the murals, agreed that the violence and destruction on display in the city give Trump more to point to in his reelection campaign.

“He tries to paint a picture of Democratic leaders being weak. Personally, I think it’s divisive in times like these,” Stevens said. At the same time, Stevens said Kenosha is desperate for order. “Now we’re sending in more troops for a large show of force immediately. I do think it’s needed right now.”

Caption: Billy Stevens, who was trying to restore downtown Kenosha after the riots, said he thinks the riots play into President Donald Trump's narrative that Democrats are too weak to bring order in their cities. | NatashaKorecki/POLITICO

The feelings and political dimensions playing out here, however, are far more complex than left vs. right or pro-Biden vs. pro-Trump. Some residents said they're disillusioned with politicians and people in authority no matter their political ideology.

“I always knew this was coming, man,” said Ronald Grover, who lives across the street from a high school that’s boarded up and protected by police squads. Then, gesturing at the downtown that had been ransacked by looters, he added, “They just need to let this vent.”

Grover's wife, Liz Parsilas, stood watch on their porch, with a Glock 43 stuffed into her waistband. She said she needed to protect her family because she didn't trust law enforcement to do it. The night before, the couple watched a parade of people march by with semi-automatic weapons as she warned her 11-year-old son to "stay low" when he heard explosions or gunfire [....]

by artappraiser on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 3:12am

res ipsa loquitor:

WATCH: Don Lemon admits that Joe Biden is too weak to stand up to the rioters and looters.

"I think Democrats are ignoring this problem or hoping that it will go away...Joe Biden may be afraid to do it...He's got to address it. He's got to come out and talk about it." pic.twitter.com/JdUQE7yjW4
— Trump War Room - Text TRUMP to 88022 (@TrumpWarRoom) August 26, 2020

by artappraiser on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 4:44am

The America that many speakers described on Wednesday at the Republican National Convention did not sound like a desirable place: fractious, violent, functionally lawless in some pockets.

But their case that only President Trump could shield Americans from this fate was complicated by a nettlesome fact. He is in charge, at present — at the controls of government through the purportedly real-time conditions these supporters outlined. And they would all like to keep him there.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/27/us/politics/rnc-trump-convention-night-3.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

by rmrd0000 on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 7:30am

Police strangle a man accused of having a fake $20 bill in front of a crowd yelling for them to stop the assault

Protesters come out

Police shoot a woman sleeping in her own home.

I guess it is legal

Protesters come out

A man is shot in the back 7 times

Protesters come out.

I wonder how we can keep protesters off the streets

A man eating ice cream in his own apartment is murdered by a police officer

His father doubts the officer will be convicted

The same doubt is expressed by the father of the man shot in the back

Miraculously, the officer who shot the man in his apartment is convicted

The judge comes off the bench to hug the convicted officer

The system is not trusted

Police might consider not shooting people.

by rmrd0000 on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 8:05am

Comments from Kenosha sheriff in 2018

"Let's put them in jail. Let's stop them from...at least some of these males, going out and getting ten other women pregnant," the sheriff said.

"I'm tired of being politically correct. I don't think I'm saying anything that most people in society aren't thinking but they are afraid to say it," he continued. "In this country, in this community, in this state, we have to get to the point where we will no longer put up with the garbage people that fill our communities. They are a cancer to our society."

https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/kenosha-county-sheriff-david-beth-apologizes-for-heated-comments-made-about-theft-chase-suspects

Edit to add:

The Kenosha police made no attempt to stop the shooter

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2020/08/26/kenosha-shooting-video-shows-suspected-gunman-kyle-rittenhouse-being-allowed-to-leave-scene/

by rmrd0000 on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 9:09am

The sheriff and the Republican Party should stay outta folks bedrooms, make birth control access, family planing services like Planed Parenthood funded and available not defunded and illegal, and maybe the sheriff should pay attention to his primary job, training his 'garbage' police force not to shoot an entire clip into an unarmed citizens back while they sit in a parked car.

by NCD on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 11:39am

The fight now is between "justice" and "peace". When those looking for justice see police shootings, they want accountability. There is no belief that left to its own devices, the system will do the right thing. Those seeking peace are outraged by protests and say people should stay home. They will also tell people that they are not protesting the right thing.

When protests occur, you are told that you are turning off a segment of voters. The argument is that the Left or the Woke are doing things wrong. The initial attack from those seeking peace is never that things cannot change until the police change. The "peaceniks" will say that protesters have to stop.

You will be told that the vote is at risk. They will never point out that Trump is trying to kill us with COVID, steal votes by sabotaging the Post Office, etc. It is always the Left and the Woke who are the proble, Being willing to vote for a racist is not a problem. Being willing to vote for a crook is not a problem. It is always something that the Left and the Woke did wrong. You focus too much on abortion. You focus too much on Civil Rights. Just be quiet and you can win.

The words of the Kenosha sheriff speak volumes. The fact that his officers were handing out water to people who arrived with long guns speaks even louder.

by rmrd0000 on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 12:24pm

The fight now is between "justice" and "peace"

No it's not. That's what you would like it to be and that may have been where it started. But now the choice is between "peace" and "looting and burning down cities." The cities have had enough of the violence and are beginning to choose peace. This isn't going to be the summer of the protests against police killings. It's going to end up being the summer when the national guard ended the looting and violence and restored peace to burning cities.

And it won't just be Diamond and Silk that support the national guard. A lot of moderate black democrats will support the national guard ending the violence too

by ocean-kat on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 1:09pm

It is the summer of protests about police violence

LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. — Athletes from the N.B.A., W.N.B.A., Major League Baseball and Major League Soccer took their boldest stand yet against systemic racism and police brutality, boycotting games on Wednesday in response to the police shooting of a Black man in Kenosha, Wis. The moves dramatically escalated a season of athletes demonstrating for social justice as some expressed doubts about continuing to play amid widespread social unrest.

The wave of boycotts and postponements was sparked by Milwaukee Bucks players' responding to the shooting of Jacob Blake by refusing to come out of their locker room on Wednesday afternoon for a playoff game against the Orlando Magic. Two more N.B.A. playoff games scheduled for Wednesday night were quickly postponed, inspiring players in other leagues to follow the Bucks’ lead and causing numerous professional basketball, baseball and soccer games to be called off because athletes would not participate.

Players from the N.B.A. and the W.N.B.A. have long been at the forefront of protests against racism and police brutality — efforts that have broadened in recent months after the police killings of George Floyd, a Black man in Minnesota, and Breonna Taylor, a Black woman in Kentucky, and as the leagues took an extended hiatus because of the coronavirus pandemic.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/26/sports/basketball/nba-boycott-bucks-magic-blake-shooting.html

And

The Rev. Al Sharpton, during his eulogy at a memorial for George Floyd in Minneapolis on Thursday, announced plans for a march in Washington on Aug. 28, the anniversary of the original March on Washington in 1963 where Martin Luther King Jr. delivered his "I Have a Dream" speech.

Sharpton said he was glad the civil rights icon's son, Martin Luther King III, was at the memorial.

"Because on Aug. 28, the 57th anniversary of the March on Washington, we're going back to Washington, Martin," Sharpton said. "That's where your father stood in the shadows of the Lincoln memorial and said, 'I have a dream.'"

"Well we're going back this Aug. 28 to restore and recommit that dream," Sharpton said. "To stand up, because just like at one era we had to fight slavery, another era we had to fight Jim Crow, another era we dealt with voting rights. This is the era to deal policing and criminal justice."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/blog/2020-06-04-george-floyd-protests-n1224496/ncrd1225171#blogHeader

Edit to add:

Which Democratic candidate is supporting violence?

by rmrd0000 on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 1:22pm

We'll see. For every Al Sharpton I can link a Keisha Lance Bottoms. Did you bother to watch the Don Lemon link above. The national guard has just begun to be called out. We're only half way through this story

by ocean-kat on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 1:21pm

Kenosha Day 4

One day after police charged a 17-year-old in connection with the fatal shootings of two protesters in Kenosha, Wis., a fourth consecutive night of protests over the police shooting of Jacob Blake was smaller and mostly peaceful. Both police and the self-declared militia members who were ever-present on Tuesday mostly stayed away from protesters Wednesday night.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/27/kenosha-protest-militias-blake-shooting/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_mm-kenoshaprotests-306am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

Regarding violence, have you heard Reverend Sharpton send a message promoting violence?

Reverend Al Sharpton condemned the looting and violence taking place after the death of George Floyd. The reverend said, “There is a difference between those calling for peace and those calling for quiet” and that an "overwhelming majority of the people marching were not breaking windows, they were trying to break barriers."

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/reverend-al-sharpton-condemns-looting-and-violence-after-death-of-george-floyd-84388421963

by rmrd0000 on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 1:30pm

We'll see, story half through: EXACTLY. Actually, the thing is, everything has been done about this incident in a very quick manner that protesters have asked to happen with other cases in the past,. Protests in the past were that authorities were ignoring bad cops. As the headline on this thread starts out, that didn't happen in this case. The governor of the state reacted almost immediately. The victim was airlifted to a good hospital and had major representation within hours. There are investigations starting right away: state, FBI, DOJ.. The national guard is there right away. The name of the cop has been made public. Things are moving extremely quickly so far, nobody in power is ignoring it.

So protesting, rioting, looting do what in this situation when redress is moving quickly? This is going to happen again. Like other human beings, some cops are going to be bad. I thought protests were occurring because authorities were ignoring abuse and not offering justice. I see no evidence of that here yet. So what are they protesting? That there are bad cops? That's like protesting that there's homicidal maniacs out there. There's always going to be some and they are going to have to be punished, bad cops and homicidal maniacs. We haven't discovered perfect cop and anti-murder pills yet

by artappraiser on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 1:47pm

Trust is built after multiple examples of acts of good faith.

by rmrd0000 on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 2:11pm

One thing I can guess from your comment is that you haven't read that best selling self-help book that explains how unhindered rioting and looting following protests on the streets are the solution when bad things happen to good people.

by artappraiser on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 1:28pm

And you haven't read the volumes of books explains why people do t trust the system and come out to protest.

Kenosha was mostly peaceful ast night.

by rmrd0000 on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 1:32pm

I don't see how the "system" is not working here SO FAR. Unless you're the type that wants to abolish police totally, then protesting makes sense.

by artappraiser on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 1:50pm

The "system" does not have along record of holding police officers to account.

NYPD used an illegal choke hold on Eric Garner captured on video. No indictment.

Tamir Rice playing with a toy gun. Shot by police within seconds. Shooting justified.

Etc.

Where have you been?

The police resist change.

by rmrd0000 on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 2:07pm

I did read an article a few days ago where a BLM leader supported the looters. So it's all good I guess. I should have linked it here.

by ocean-kat on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 6:08pm

Please link to the article

Edit to add:

I found this from a BLM Chicago organizer calling looting reparations

A lot of people are really attacking our pages. They’re like, ‘Oh, you support the looters.’ And yeah, we do, 100%. That’s reparations. And like however people choose to protest, especially if it was definitely in line with what happened with the shooting, which would be powerful to see people reacting … without organizers just being like, ‘We’re angry and this is what we’re gonna do. We’re gonna take the power back.’

https://www.wbez.org/stories/winning-has-come-through-revolts-a-black-lives-matter-activist-on-why-she-supports-looting/398d0f3f-73d0-4f2e-ae32-04cceba0d322

I also found this from Black Lives Matter Chicago co-founder saying that looting distracted from the issue of police brutality

"The refusal to enact any meaningful change will mean that we will have continued instances like this….the way to resolve that is to actually address the root problems, it’s not with Target, its not with Macy’s or the gold coast Cartier....we can draw links certainly to what gets prioritized, but the root problem is that policing is the absolute same in this city," says Pulley.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/blm-chicago-looting-steps-on-message

So there was a person who justified looting. If she committed a crime, she should be arrested.

by rmrd0000 on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 6:49pm

I can do it for him, that's easy, I see that sort of thing all the time looking at protest reports

Here's one from Chicago Public Radio‘Winning Has Come Through Revolts’: A Black Lives Matter Activist On Why She Supports Looting, Aug. 2

It's easy because there's a lot of the organizers of protests of the hard core day in day out protesters in the blue cities that are borderline anarchists. They're radicals, they want revolution, they are passionate and they're not into reforming our system. And that's why from a lot of hard core protesters you'll also hear the chant "fuck Joe Biden"

by artappraiser on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 6:47pm

here's the context for Ariel Atkins preaching that point at Chicago BLM events:

Chicago Black Lives Matter Organizer Calls Looting in Windy City 'reparations' https://t.co/tBcRvAubUH pic.twitter.com/2O7Mslw1qr
— Deneen Borelli (@deneenborelli) August 11, 2020

BTW, all of them are now forbidden to come within a block of her house. The mayor she values real property and she likes privacy, too. No communalism, none of this everyone come take what you need thing and throw out the rest...

by artappraiser on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 7:11pm

here's a variant, before presenting an opposite argument, Rich Lowry @ Politico lists four examples of lefties who support BLM with the semantics argument that looting and vandalism is "not violence"

Forced to choose between criticizing the George Floyd protests when they get out of hand and defending the indefensible, activists and writers on the left have been tempted into the latter. In so doing, they damage their own credibility and the moral and intellectual climate of the country.

The inventive, but completely absurd contention is that the destruction of property doesn’t qualify as violence, and, at the end of the day, isn’t such a bad thing, maybe even a salutary thing.

The Pulitzer Prize-winning architect of the New York Times’ 1619 Project, Nikole Hannah-Jones, made this distinction in an interview: “Violence is when an agent of the state kneels on a man's neck until all of the life is leached out of his body. Destroying property, which can be replaced, is not violence. To use the same language to describe those two things is not moral.”

In a piece titled “An American Uprising,” the editor of the New Yorker, David Remnick, favorably quoted a co-founder of Black Lives Matter Global Network, who explained, “We don’t have time to finger-wag at protesters about property. That can be rebuilt. Target will reopen.”

An article in Current Affairs argued that applying the word “violence” to the destruction of property risks “making the term conceptually incoherent and—much more important—conflating acts that do very serious physical harm to people with acts that have not physically harmed anyone.”

As graffiti on a building in Minneapolis put it, “Merchandise can be replaced. Black lives can not." [....]

I think Joe Biden/Kamala Harris wing would disagree that it's "not violence". I think they think like: theft, looting violence, whatever you want to call it, it's all go-to-jail kind of stuff!

by artappraiser on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 6:59pm

When the Klan burned sharecroppers' homes, did they appreciate that that wasn't the same violence as lynching them? Or were they not woke enough yet for the distinction?

by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 10:52pm

A mob is a mob is a mob is a mob and there are ways one can manipulate them is basically what Gustav le Bon theorized in 1895. All the best demagogues of the first half of the 20th century read it!

by artappraiser on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 11:18pm

this is an official BLM Chicago press release which among other things addresses the downtown looting following the Englewood shooting, it implies socialistic redistribution via looting is no big deal until the mayor (and implied: other Democrats) does something about their grievances, meanwhile to steal from "the immense wealth" of downtown Chicago is just making up for things.Strange thing is, they talk like they are representing the looters, as if they sent them! Which I would be surprised if that was the actual case. Furthermore of interest, they imply they don't think this would upset the regular middle class white families, they seem to suspect many of those would think it all fair and square

Press Release on the Englewood Police Shooting

Chicago, IL — Yesterday, August 9, 2020, Chicago police shot another Black person in Englewood. Chicago police allege

[....]

This morning, Mayor Lightfoot held a press conference. In a predictable and unfortunate move, she did not take this time to criticize her officers for shooting yet another Black man. Lightfoot instead spent her time attacking “looters.” The mayor clearly has not learned anything since May, and she would be wise to understand that the people will keep rising up until the CPD is abolished and our Black communities are fully invested in. Contrary to Mayor Lightfoot’s position, Black lives are and always will be more important than downtown corporations who siphon Tax Increment Financing (T.I.F.) money, while avoiding taxes, and exploiting the labor of Black and Brown Chicagoans. These corporations have “looted” more from our communities than a few protesters ever could, yet the Mayor reserves her anger for the latter. We will remain in the streets until our demands are met.

[....]

If mayor Lori Lightfoot is upset about the protests last night, then a plausible answer would be to provide an outlet for the people to exert control over the policing of their community. Instead, the mayor has opposed and ignored the demand for a Civilian Police Accountability Council (CPAC) which would empower the people to get justice for police violence and enact the systemic changes needed to prevent it in the future.

Others in the media have been quick to condemn attacks on “our city” and play up racialized fears for the city’s white residents. These commentators seem to believe that the immense wealth that has been hoarded in downtown Chicago is in some way all of ours. The South and West sides have seen no benefits to this hoarding. Over the past few months, too many people — disproportionately Black and Brown — have lost their jobs, lost their income, lost their homes, and lost their lives as the city has done nothing and the Chicago elite have profited. When protesters attack high-end retail stores that are owned by the wealthy and service the wealthy, that is not “our” city and has never been meant for us.

The Mayor cannot expect people to play by her rules as she refuses to treat them with basic dignity. These protests can only end when the safety and wellbeing of our communities is finally prioritized.

by artappraiser on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 8:11pm

oceankat did you also know that the official organization has adopted the idea of being a disrupter of the traditional nuclear family? That's one I am surprised more right wingers don't pick up on. From What We Believe @ BlackLivesMatter.com,

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise).

by artappraiser on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 7:33pm

I haven't seen that but I'm not surprised. There's this link between all these left orgs where if your focus is for example the environment, BLM and LGBT and every other issue has to be addressed too. Funny thing I was thinking about this just last night while watching the latest Rowling movie, Crimes of Grindelwald. I suppose I had read some article that was on my mind before I turned it on. As I watched I thought I don't even think or consider who most of these people are having sex with. I'm not assuming they're hetero, I'm not considering it at all. The only time I think about what gender the people around me or in the movie are fucking is when they're flirting or in an obvious romantic relationship.

by ocean-kat on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 8:44pm

Scary homosexuals.

by rmrd0000 on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 8:57pm

you think so? First I bet I've lost more close gay friends to death than you'll ever have. Oh and your snark is a big fail because: the true woke are anti-traditional gay because they don't like cis-gender gays' attitudes; plain vanilla gay is conservative evil now, far from scary, and far from woke. They are an impediment to freedom from gender, they insist on things like if you have a penis and no vagina you can't possibly be a lesbian. Woke say you can, you can be whatever your brain says you are this week. Keeps the surgeons busy, too. (See Andrew Sulivan for more.)

by artappraiser on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 10:36pm

The Woke are whatever evil you want them to be.

Like those at the top of the caste system in India, you claim superiority without facts.

You have no knowledge of my connections with Gay people, yet you claim yours are better.

Like your made up Woke people, you create fantasies that fit your bubble

Edit to add:

BLM is a leaderless organization

That is why I linked to BLM Chicago members with different opinions concerning looting

If memory serves, the young woman in question made a statement on camera

I posted at the time that if she had been seen looting, she should go to jail.

Edit to add:

You place yourself at the top of the caste system

You decide where everyone else resides

You get to determine which "tribe' is appropriate, but they are beneath you

I posted two different reactions to looting by two BLM Chicago members

To you, they are not worthy of consideration, because both are of lower station

Thus, they are both in the same "tribe"

by rmrd0000 on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 9:03am

You have no knowledge of my connections with Gay people, yet you claim yours are better.

Oh come on. "I bet" is just a way of saying "probably with a high degree of confidence." I'd take that bet. Arta is involved in the NYC art scene where statistically speaking a higher percent of the population is out gays. Among blacks and especially black Christians a lower percent of the population is out gays. Odds are that Arta knows more gays and given her age lived through the AIDS epidemic when it was at it's worse. Not only did she know a lot of gays but likely knew many that died of AIDS. One can take a paragraph saying that or one can summarize it by just say, "I bet."

I'd never bet that I know more gay people than other people because I'm pretty introverted and don't have a lot of friends of any type. I don't know any gay person who died of AIDS. Though I would bet that I know more wilderness hikers and campers than you. It's a particular interest of mine and black people are statistically less likely to wilderness camp and hike than the general population.

by ocean-kat on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 1:54pm

I have gay friends in the food, wine, and creative arts industries.

Went to a wine expo in NYC supported by a wine bar owned by a gay couple

Went through the AIDS era at a time of tension between black and white gays.

I know more black surfers, skiers, birders, and wilderness folks than you.

Edit to add:

I have a lot of friends gay and straight suffering through illness and layoffs. The Lefties and the Woke don't figure into the source of their pain.

2nd Edit to add:

The House passed the Heroes Act. McConnell put the Senate on time out. No Lefties or Wokes caused that.

by rmrd0000 on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 2:27pm

I know more black surfers, skiers,

I'm sure you do. I can count on one hand the number of surfers and skiers I know.

birders,

Possible but unlikely. How many times have you been a part of the Audubon Christmas bird count? Did you even know what it is before I mentioned it? I've done it around ten times and only saw one black man joining in. Statistically speaking the Audubon society and birders are a mostly middle and upper class white organization with black members significantly less than their percent of the overall population.

and wilderness folks than you.

Anything is possible but I doubt it. Unless you're also active in wilderness hiking and camping and since you've never discussed here even once it seems unlikely it's a large interest for you.

The point isn't whether the statement is true or false, that's open to discussion for clarification. The point is to say, "I bet" is a legitimate propositional claim for someone to make.

Eta: "Went to a wine expo in NYC supported by a wine bar owned by a gay couple"

If I used a visit to a diner run by a black family as proof of my bona fides with the black community you'd tell me that was racist.

by ocean-kat on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 3:00pm

Oh yeah well though I've got zero surfers, I've made buds with a crew from the Black Falcons Motorcycle Club (they often cruise past my back yard when I'm tending my garden on weekends and yes they can use my hose anytime.) So there.

The argument here is silly. I just didn't like rmrd's obvious intent to suggest with insulting low level sarcasm that the movement against woke police is intolerant. Just the opposite, it's all about tolerance against intolerance.

As far as the gay bonafides contest goes, besides having tons of gay friends and clients not just in NY but across the country over my life and career in the antiques and art world, I would also like to say that I went to my first gay disco at age 17 and my S.O. during my entire second decade was the manager of the biggest gay disco in Milwaukee. That was before AIDS. Upon arriving in NYC at age 29 for a new job, one of the first things I did was to volunteer to help organize a charity auction for GMHC, it was a little over a year-old organization formed to address the new "gay plague."

Go to the top of my wokee thread and you'll see that more than a few gays are some of the first and most active fighters against woke intolerance.

by artappraiser on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 3:02pm

I know it's trivial and silly but so often people have misunderstood what people mean when they say,"I bet" that it's a pet peeve of mine. I'd had people respond with, "I don't gamble" as if I was seriously proposing we place money on the proposition. As I'm sure you know, "I bet" is just a more emphatic way of saying "It's likely." Just as "Fuck yeah" is just a more emphatic way of saying "yes."

I'm not sure why but occasionally I get into these discussions about vocabulary, it's different forms, use and misuse. I argue about the multiple definitions of a word and connotations as opposed to definitions. Something about how people so often misunderstand and distort vocabulary irks me.

I just recently got into a long argument on the World of Warcraft forum over the use of the word, "cheating" as it refers to the game. Silly I guess, debating vocabulary with a bunch of video gamers. I also get really annoyed when people don't know when to use then and than and you're and your. But usually I'm able to hold my tongue when I see it.

by ocean-kat on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 3:41pm

I never understood where people get pet peeves. I've been to dozens of pet shops and animal shelters, never seen one. Worse, where do people walk them? I mean, you live in an Arizona desert, but there are owners with pet peeves in the city who deprive them of fresh air. It must be stopped.

by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 6:01pm

You can find them virtually any where.

by ocean-kat on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 6:20pm

Hey, let's do a head count on gay friends.

Is Woke another way of saying fringe group?

Glad the cycle club get to use your hose.

by rmrd0000 on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 3:26pm

Whatever

It seems to me that you live the cloistered life. I said black birders. I admit that I'm not an avid birder, but I have met black biders. and follow them on social media. Cornell University has a good app for recognizing birds. I included wilderness people under that same conditional statement. Getting up early to wait for a deer to show up after lunchtime, shoot the deer, than run after it and dress it is not my idea of fun. But I am friends with black people who hunt, deer, buffalo, etc. Birding, hunting, hiking, etc are not major interests for me, but I have friends involved in the activity. Many black birders, hunters, hikers, surfers, etc tend to stick to their own groups and away from bigger crowds. The skiers tend to travel as groups. I make a run, then tend enjoy two carbon beverages in the lodge. Breckinridge was the last trip. Wine is more my thing. Most ski lodges have good selections.

There are many blacks who enjoy the outdoors, but some say that they feel unwelcome in some situations.

by rmrd0000 on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 3:17pm

It seems to me that you live the cloistered life.

I doubt it. I'd bet that black birders will tell you that when they interact with the larger group of birders they are a significant minority. Unless they are involved with a specifically designated black birder group.

by ocean-kat on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 3:50pm

The ones that I know tend to go by themselves or with a single partner.

Christian Cooper, the Central Park birder, was out birdwatching by himself.

On most occasions, they are not interacting with a larger group.

by rmrd0000 on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 4:13pm

Christian Cooper, the Central Park birder, was out birdwatching by himself.

Sure, Birders spend much time solo bird watching since birds are every where out doors and birders are always looking for them. But as a serious birder I'd bet that he's gone on more Audubon Christmas bird counts than I have. Serious birders do the Christmas bird count. It's a really big deal in the birding community.

by ocean-kat on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 4:27pm

He's also an elite Manhattan gay sharing an apt. on the hip lower east side with his boyfriend, has an Ivy league degree and intellectual resume. His sister is a playwright and film, TV and comic book writer, she admits creating the buzz about what happened to him and why she did it. Their parents were liberal activists and they were raised learning to be smart about this.

by artappraiser on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 4:52pm

I get the same impression. Especially as he never shows any interest in stories about any other people except those with black skin, zero interest in any other tribe, misreads intent of others a lot as if he has no experience talking with anyone but tribe and because he will never give a hint about where he lives. Without that info, just reading what he writes for years his written word sounds like he only has interactions with an inner city black culture and a southern rural black culture. You, on the other hand have shared enough personal anecdotes to know that you've had a great variety of social interactions and from that interest allover the world and with very different micro-cultures, i.e. in the army, in Asia, in Florida retireeville, welcoming international visitors in a ghost town in AZ, interacting with southern border people, etc.

by artappraiser on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 4:17pm

I admit that I don't gives hints to where I live to strangers.

by rmrd0000 on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 4:26pm

Yeah, because mentioning a state would make it easy for us to single you out as The One out of the millions who live in that state. I know that when artappraiser mentioned living in NYC I just googled it and immediately identified her out of the 3 names that popped up.

by ocean-kat on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 4:37pm

Nah

Actually, I said because I knew the response I would receive.

by rmrd0000 on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 4:39pm

But there's a gazillion art appraisers in NYC. (Or were before Covid, that is.) You could narrow it down a heckuva a lot by searching for Bronx, but still there's got to be at least 500 in the "exclusive" Riverdale section of the Bronx.

by artappraiser on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 4:56pm

Dude, you've been a Dag member for 9yrs, 11 months. A decade - happy anniversary! You're as much of a stranger as your gay husband is. Isn't it time to meet the Fockers? We don't bite. Much.

by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 5:48pm

"some of my best friends are gay" vs "I've worked in the New York art scene for decades and it's gay as fuck" (as Randy the gay satire singer would out it)?

I've had a handful of gay roommates and friends. Still pretty sure AA both knows 1000x as many people as me and perhaps 1000x as many gay people as me, likely the same for black people. Would tighten up the numbers a bit if I were to bet.

by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 5:38pm

Sykes is a Wisconsinite as well as a Never Trumper, he has decades of political talk radio experience there.

WATCH: As protests continue in Wisconsin, Charlie Sykes says the perception that the Democratic governor was slow to respond to unrest may hurt his party. #MTPDaily @SykesCharlie: “I do think that Democrats need to be a little worried about the perception here.” pic.twitter.com/HYXEw4swl9
— Meet the Press (@MeetThePress) August 27, 2020

Let me be blunt: he was a local conservative talk radio guy, so he knows exactly what riles people in Wisconsin, especially people interested in politics and culture wars, as his livelihood depended on doing it.

by artappraiser on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 2:16pm

A wingnut with a long rifle killed two people and was able to walk past police even though a crowd was shouting that rifle just shot people.

by rmrd0000 on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 2:19pm

Plenty of Wisconsinites probably quite upset about that, they like their law and order and don't like violent protests after curfew with people starting fires in dumpsters (with gas pumps nearby yet!) and other people walking around with guns after curfew. Charlie's point: the governor should have cracked down with law and order more so that things didn't happen like militia guys walking around with long guns looking Rather EVERYONE should be at home after curfew. Then it would be much easier for cops to like, arrest a guy with a long gun wandering around all by himself.

You realize "law and order" also means no militias roving around?

You also realize that BLM-friendly Seattle's free zone was advocating having militias roving around keeping the "peace" instead of police? You want to allow militias, everybody gets to play. You can have the left wing zone over here and the right wing zone over there.

Plenty enough left wing guys have been attending BLM protests carrying guns. I've posted plenty of examples on this site this summer.

BTW the city of Kenosha is small and has a small police force. They could not handle everything if curfew was not obeyed. That's one main reason why the National Guard was called. There was little warning any of this would happen, no reason to plan for it in a place like Kenosha. No reason to have a lot of anti-riot training in advance and no reason to expect large night time demonstrations.until the shooting of Blake happened. Their police force is really just hicks, so is the mayor, this is not Milwaukee you are talking about here, much less Chicago.

Edit to add: I listened to a press conference by the mayor and the sheriff the other day. Right away, they shut down the entrance and exit to the city from the Interstate, hoping to keep outsiders like that guy out. They got a lot of grief for that from citizens, including businesses who could not get trucks in and out. It didn't help anyways, all kinds of outsiders found a way in via old highways. That's small town hicks, they were thinking everyone basically thinks and acts like them, they don't have to worry about like radical Islamists, doesn't enter their mind. That's why they need things like FBI, state and federal help in a situation like this. Which many will protest against, I am sure.

by artappraiser on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 2:51pm

Coverage of Biden's statements by Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel:

'This is his America now:' Joe Biden accuses Donald Trump of 'rooting' for unrest https://t.co/67td05aRPX
— Journal Sentinel (@journalsentinel) August 27, 2020

by artappraiser on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 3:05pm

FWIW, former Deputy C.O.S. to Harry Reid, now a Dem activist, likes Joe's "law and order" messaging here:

Strong message, this is exactly what Dems should be saying. Dems have the law and order high ground here. Trump's America is one where armed militias roam the streets firing at will. He gives them a wink and a nod, and has for years. That is the America we live in right now. https://t.co/6VjlgWKiRq
— Adam Jentleson (@AJentleson) August 27, 2020

by artappraiser on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 9:07pm

After calls for unity and healing, tension still simmers in Kenosha after police shooting of Jacob Blake https://t.co/jyNtu8thbr
— Journal Sentinel (@journalsentinel) August 28, 2020

by artappraiser on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 4:04am

Wisconsin governor urges Trump not to visit Kenosha: 'I am concerned your presence will only hinder our healing'

By John Bowden @ TheHill.com - 08/30/20 07:02 PM EDT

Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers (D) urged President Trump on Sunday to "reconsider" his plans to visit Kenosha, Wis., which has been rocked by unrest for the past several nights following the shooting of Jacob Blake by police.

In a letter to the White House shared by Evers's office Sunday afternoon, the governor warned that Trump's presence could "hinder" the state's attempts to heal after a video of Kenosha police shooting Blake seven times in the back sparked a week of protests that in some cases descended into violence.

"I, along with other community leaders who have reached out, are concerned about what your presence will mean for Kenosha and our state. I am concerned your presence will only hinder our healing. I am concerned your presence will only delay our work to overcome division and move forward together," he wrote.

"I am likewise concerned that an in-person visit from you will require a massive re-direction of these resources to support your visit at a time when it is critical that we continue to remain focused on keeping the people of Kenosha safe and supporting the community’s response," Evers continued.

A White House spokesperson told reporters on Saturday that the president planned to visit Kenosha on Tuesday.

The president has attempted to tie Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and other Democrats to the protests, using the unrest to paint a dark picture of what he says the U.S. would look like under a Biden presidency. As an example, he has pointed to Kenosha, where at least half a dozen businesses have burned to the ground in recent days, according to local media reports. Three people were shot and two were killed last week, allegedly by a 17-year-old who traveled to the city from Illinois.[....]

by artappraiser on Sun, 08/30/2020 - 8:44pm

Kenosha mayor prefers Trump not visit 'at this point in time'

By Justine Coleman @ TheHill.com - 08/30/20 04:53 PM EDT, with video

The mayor of Kenosha, Wis., said Sunday that he prefers President Trump not visit “at this point in time.”

The president is scheduled to visit the city on Tuesday to survey the damage from protests and clashes.

"Realistically, from our perspective, our preference would have been for him not to be coming at this point in time," Mayor John Antaramian (D) told NPR’s "Weekend Edition."

Kenosha has experienced a week of protests following the police shooting of Jacob Blake.

“All presidents are always welcome and campaign issues are always going on. But it would have been, I think, better had he waited to have for another time to come,” Antaramian added.

The Democratic mayor told NPR that the situation in Kenosha was “not the situation, I think, that people perceive — that the people in Kenosha are rioting.” He said people are “protesting and absolutely have every right to protest” and that the city backs peaceful protests but not “damage and destruction.”

"Peaceful protests are not a problem," Antaramian said. "Our biggest problem really did come from people coming from outside the area and causing a great deal of damage and destruction."

[....]

by artappraiser on Sun, 08/30/2020 - 8:49pm

Bill Kristol likes what Biden said:

A strong statement by our next president. pic.twitter.com/ew1B3DCqRY
— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) August 30, 2020

by artappraiser on Sun, 08/30/2020 - 10:02pm

Clearly a campaign talking point:

Biden campaign adviser: Trump "has been trying to incite violence this entire summer" https://t.co/srahvdoMMh pic.twitter.com/ZHrQ2Z1O8G
— The Hill (@thehill) August 31, 2020

by artappraiser on Mon, 08/31/2020 - 12:12am

U.S. Department of Justice Confirms Federal Civil Rights Investigation Into Shooting of Mr. Jacob Blake

Department of Justice, U.S. Attorney’s Office, Eastern District of Wisconsin

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Wednesday, August 26, 2020 (my underlining)

Matthew D. Krueger, United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Wisconsin, and Eric S. Dreiband, Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice, confirmed this evening that, as indicated in a press conference held earlier today by Wisconsin Attorney General Josh Kaul and Kenosha County District Attorney Michael D. Graveley, a federal investigation has been opened into the shooting of Jacob Blake by an officer of the Kenosha (Wisconsin) Police Department. The investigation will be conducted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, in cooperation with the Wisconsin Division of Criminal Investigation and other state authorities, and will be overseen by prosecutors from the U.S. Attorney’s Office and the Criminal Section of the Civil Rights Division. The federal investigation will run parallel to, and share information with, state authorities to the extent permissible under law.

Federal authorities are committed to investigating this matter as thoroughly and efficiently as possible. Along with Attorney General Kaul and District Attorney Graveley, United States Attorney Krueger and Assistant Attorney General Dreiband urged all members of the community to allow the investigation processes to develop all available evidence before rendering judgment. They also encouraged everyone to act peacefully and abide by the law.

Federal law enforcement is joined with state and local authorities to address further violence in Kenosha and beyond. Federal law imposes stiff penalties for arson, rioting, firearms offenses, and other violent crimes, which United States Attorney Krueger pledged to prosecute to the fullest extent possible.

If individuals have firsthand information to report regarding the shooting of Mr. Blake, they should contact FBI Milwaukee at (414) 276-4684.

For further information contact: Public Information Officer Kenneth Gales (414) 297-1700.

by artappraiser on Sun, 08/30/2020 - 10:39pm

is classic Wisconsin passive-aggressive "polite" (a slightly altered version what a Canadian might say, something like oh geeez too much right now, maybe can't you just leave us alone for a while, eh?)

Kenosha Mayor John Antaramian: "It is just too soon for the President to come here at this point in time. I would say it's a little soon for the Vice President also." pic.twitter.com/Lv0Ht0BhMh
— The Hill (@thehill) September 1, 2020

Make sure to check out the pained facial expressions.

by artappraiser on Mon, 08/31/2020 - 9:48pm

CANCEL CULTURE..!!!!

Trump wants to hug a flag and get a ride in the Kenosha cops armored car and shoot paint balls at radical Kenosha paid by Fauci socialistic violent coup plotting BLM anarchists!!!!! And tweet LAW AND ORDER!!!!

With no Democrat Party China 99% harmless virus MASK!!

by NCD on Mon, 08/31/2020 - 11:04pm

Tweeting that saved a nation, sir, surely you need to be added to Mt. Rushmore.

by artappraiser on Tue, 09/01/2020 - 10:36am

so far looking like while they don't like the protesters, they still don't like Trump either; I am not surprised:

LETTER FROM WISCONSIN: Trump Claims He Saved Kenosha. Wisconsin Voters Aren’t Buying It.

Wisconsinites might be souring on protests, but so far, they aren't embracing Trump.

by JR Ross for Politico Magazine, 09/01/2020 10:59 AM EDT

JR Ross is the editor of WisPolitics.com. He has covered Wisconsin politics for more than 20 years.

by artappraiser on Tue, 09/01/2020 - 12:55pm

How Chaos in Kenosha Is Already Swaying Some Voters in Wisconsin

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