MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE by Michael Wolraich Order today at Barnes & Noble / Amazon / Books-A-Million / Bookshop |
In Tapes, Candid Talk by Young Kennedy Widow
By Janny Scott, New York Times, September 11/12, 2011
....Mrs. Kennedy recalls in an oral history scheduled to be released Wednesday, 47 years after the interviews were conducted....The seven-part interview conducted in early 1964....is being published as a book and an audio recording. In it, the young widow speaks with Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr....
Some of the juicier excerpts from the above article for a taste:
Charles DeGaulle, the French president, is “that egomaniac.” The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. is “a phony” whom electronic eavesdropping has found arranging encounters with women. Indira Gandhi, the future prime minister of India, is “a real prune — bitter, kind of pushy, horrible woman.”
....She quotes Mr. Kennedy saying of Lyndon B. Johnson, his vice president, “Oh, God, can you ever imagine what would happen to the country if Lyndon was president?”
And Mr. Kennedy on Franklin D. Roosevelt: “Charlatan is an unfair word,” but “he did an awful lot for effect.”
....She lets slip a reference to a “civilized side of Jack” and “sort of a crude side,” but she clarifies: “Not that Jack had the crude side.”
He wept in her presence a handful of times. Mrs. Kennedy describes how he cried in his bedroom, head in hands, over the debacle of the attempted invasion of Cuba at the Bay of Pigs in 1961 by Cuban exiles opposed to Fidel Castro and trained by the Central Intelligence Agency.....
Asked if Mr. Kennedy was religious, she tells Mr. Schlesinger, “Oh, yes,” then appends a revealing qualification: “Well, I mean, he never missed church one Sunday that we were married or all that, but you could see partly — I often used to think whether it was superstition or not — I mean, he wasn’t quite sure, but if it was that way, he wanted to have that on his side.”
He would say his prayers kneeling on the edge of the bed, taking about three seconds and crossing himself. “It was just like a little childish mannerism, I suppose like brushing your teeth or something,” she says. Then she adds: “But I thought that was so sweet. It used to amuse me so, standing there.”....
Note that there are additional excerpts in the attachments:
Slide Show: She Said That?
Audio: Jaccqueline Kennedy Speaks
Comments
That was a fun link.
Arthur Schlesinger was a crafty historian. Amazing how much one reveals about themselves in their opinions of others even when hiding behind their public persona.. At that point in time, she sounds very much like a cross between Daisy Buchanan and Sara Crewe.
Very enjoyable.
by EmmaZahn on Mon, 09/12/2011 - 12:01pm
Yes, so far good dish and looks like more to come. I was thinking more along these lines: after all that she went through, still a fine example of a Miss Porter's School and Vassar alum and a former debutante of the year (both of which she was.) But your comparisons are there, too. And don't forget that her sister had already become an actual Princess.
Now I'm the one being catty. More seriously on that front, since you have obvious interest in such characters, if you ever manage to look at a copy of the book she wrote with her sister in 1951, One Special Summer, like in a bookstore or library, do it. I dare anyone not to find it fun and charming and innocent, it just is; it's hard to dislike even if you're coming to it with a prejudice against her or her kind. And you really get an idea of the culture in which they were raised and why people from that place act the way they do.
I happen to know such things because my mother as a young wife was a big fan of the Camelot package, and I think I gave that book to her as a gift one year. Mom wasn't a dummy and over the years her fandom segued into pure interest of following the Kennedys stories, not as a fan but as a learning experience.
This story and some of the comments on the Times' page which I read, got me thinking about how Mom explained how she used to feel about Jack & Jackie to others. She would say something like "you just don't understand how it was, it was like an incredible breath of fresh air to have them leading the country instead of Mamie and Ike, like color instead of depressing black and white, youth and life instead of old age, classy instead of dull." And then--just a couple hours ago--don't know why I didn't think of this in relation before-- I thought how post war, we were the big victors, but we were still considered "ugly Americans" by others and ourselves, with little interest or knowledge of high culture or the finer things in life. (I mean, even our bread sucked back then, and the wine available for most was mogen david; we had only begun to compete on the international arts stages, etc.) People (like my Mom, a Depression baby raised by immigrant parents on a farm and with a high school education but wanting to live a better life,) were really just waiting for someone like Jackie to make them feel proud of the U.S.A., and learn to enjoy the finer things. (The teens gyrating to Chubby Checker on Bandstand were of interest but really didn't do the trick.) It kind of puts a more complex picture on some parts of the growth of middle class culture to me--that "Camelot" has to do with the way it developed.
Back to the article, another thing that took a while to sink in, a "doh" moment. about how outrageous it was. In the audio, she really stressed that Jack commented many times how terrible it would be if Lyndon Johnson was president. She was saying that to Schlesinger while Lyndon Johnson was president and running for election to stay president.
by artappraiser on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 1:35am
Your mother is very perceptive. Things really did transition from black and white to color during that time and the Kennedys were front and center while it was happening. I didn't notice it at the time but several decades later when I opened my Beatles' memory box. Most of the first year, most everything was black and white, trading cards, magazine stories, etc. then suddenly everything changed to color. I thought back and recalled that the NBC peacock was just beginning to show up on our black and white television; Technicolor wasn't just for blockbusters anymore; and more and more magazines became glossies.
Did not mean to give the impression that I was a particular fan of princesses, real or imaginary. I am simply a victim of my wasp raising. What literature that was around and taught is what appealed to unmarried aunts and early 'English' teachers. As for White House Jackie, she very much reminds me of my sister-in-law or vice versa. Both were living a role defined by others. Looking back, I very much prefer her transition to Jackie O although like most everyone else at the time I wondered what on earth she was thinking. Becoming Jackie O was a really very remarkable thing to do. She stopped letting others define her and began defining herself.
You are right about the Johnson comment. It really is outrageous that she repeated it so many times. My guess is that the good doctor provided her with some little yellow pills instead of the usual orange ones during that time frame. Which reminds me: the question that keeps coming back to me is how much meth were those guys on during the Cuba thing? How much nowadays? No wonder they physically age so much during their terms. And that reminded me of the unease I felt on reading Colin Powell's comments during the lead up to Iraq about Ambien: "They're called Ambien, which is very good. You don't use Ambien? Everybody here uses Ambien."
Meth, Ambien. Kind of explains why everything is so FUBAR, no?
by EmmaZahn on Sun, 09/18/2011 - 11:47am
Thanks Emma, I really enjoyed reading your thoughts in response.
On the "speed" thing, memories of mom again. It was everywhere. I remember her hoarding the diet pills one doc prescribed for her in order to stay up all night cleaning and fixing things when she was expecting company the next day.
by artappraiser on Mon, 09/19/2011 - 9:22pm
My momma was a crankster gangster I'm a crankster gangster too Well she turned me on to Eskatrol Back in 1962
by jollyroger on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 12:17am
I miss the small doses of amphetamine that were in various OTC medicines. Damn the medical-pharmaceutical complex and their phony war on drugs they don't own a patent to. Also, it would be nice to be able to grow Georgia O'Keefe poppies. They're so pretty.
by EmmaZahn on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 5:00pm
The restrictions on ephedrine, followed by pseudo-ephedrine in OTC, are the crime. Ask any pharmacist (except maybe a few deep in meth lab country) and they'll give you an earload about what a stoopid pain in their butt it all is as well as a big loss to helping histamine-related suffering. One pointed out to me that the driver's-license restriction means if someone is traveling and forgot and left their newly purchased decongestant at home, they can't buy anymore for two weeks. It's like they have to go out on the street and beg someone else to buy it for them.
by artappraiser on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 5:19pm
I am pretty deep in meth lab country and it is the same here. The restrictions are more aggravation than effective deterrence. Another example of laws/regulations that punish the innocent.
by EmmaZahn on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 5:59pm
I list myself, of course, firmly on the side of those who oppose restrictions on the purchase of precursors.
That said, there were few venues providing greater amusement than the aisles of the Stockton California Walmart at 3 am, as tweakers wheeled by with shopping carts topped with enough cold medecine to cure an entire subdivision of the sniffles.
Back in the day..
.Also, *Uncle Fester's pseudephedrine reduction recipe never really yielded the quality product that could be manufactured when 55 gallon drums of ephedrine could be acquired under the radar of the DEA.
Jus sayin'
*Do NOT visit the site...unless you want to entertain visiting agency personnel.
by jollyroger on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 8:07pm
Thanks for the info and warning. I never look up how to make controlled substances or explosives for that reason. I would never make them anyway although I might be tempted to use the information in a short story or screenplay. Regardless I have acquired a federal stalker anyway. She checks in every so often. It is so weird.
But back to the meth, I advocate going back to selling it just like any other otc medication. If we did that, the demand for precursors the wee hours tweaker entertainment would practically disappear.
by EmmaZahn on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 8:26pm
Do I misrecollect that there is, somewhere in the recordings, her conviction that Lyndon was behind the assassination? Or is that just my takeaway from having learned of the event awaiting my 2pm American History class where Forrest McDonald (himself a Texan) walked in to announce his disabling disgust and implication that Lydon was guilty, maybe cause nothing happened in Texas without Lyndon's ok.
by jollyroger on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 12:25am
So far to my knowledge no one has mentioned that such an accusation is in these recordings.
I believe what you are recollecting probably comes from the massive Kennedy- assassination-conspiracy-theory
businessindustrial complex. Like this: somebody said somebody said somebody told them thatJackieRobertTedRoseJohn-John Kennedy said that to them. John-John's death was after all, mysterious....was Caroline in on that? Why didn't she mourn him more publicly? Did he want these recordings released early? What did he say to his colleagues in NYC about his sister and his mother's estate?....etc.by artappraiser on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 4:47pm
Google returns an embarassment of riches....
embarassing because of the plethora of sources supporting the purported statement by Jackie, and embarasing because of the nature of the sources...
So altho I was not halucinating (this time...) it may be worse--I am outed as somehow or other being within earshot of Faux News...
After actually clicking on the links, there are a plethora of denials from ABC news as well. I may have been misled.
by jollyroger on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 7:58pm
The Kennedys were the prototype for the personality politicians that were to follow. All show and little substance.
by cmaukonen on Mon, 09/12/2011 - 7:59pm
What I wrote above in reply to Emma about "Camelot" maybe somewhat related, takes it in another direction. Maybe the personality politician thing was bound to happen one way or another because people wanted it, were ready for it.
This also got me thinking about martyrdom/sainthood by assassination. In the 70's it was common to see in a lot of Afro-American living rooms, and other places like Catholic schools, you would see paired saintly icon portraits of JFK and MLK side by side. In the kind of places that wouldn't think well of philanderers. The point is not to equate JFK and MLK, but that they were equated then by their martyrdom.
But Lincoln too, was idolized this way, getting far more love/saint status as a martyr than he got living.
by artappraiser on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 12:45am