MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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stereotypes of red/blue states not all they are cracked up to be:
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real screwed-up partisan Dem thinking on Jan. 6, very disheartening to me:
she's really no different from Republicans who voted against impeachment because Trump was the head of their party, even though they thought he was criminal
She should be happy to see someone who agreed with Trump most of the time disavow what he did! But no, she can't see the difference between criminal behavior and politics she disagrees with! They're the same fucking thing to her!
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/09/2022 - 10:55pm
Except he supported the illegal manipulation of electors in the same effort, so while his speech and impeachment vote are laudable, he's a very difficult ally. I suspect he was for mangling the Constitution & Senate rules to get 2 free court justices.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 05/10/2022 - 1:45am
Hillary visited Iowa 3 times in the fall campaign
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-last-10-weeks-of-2016-campaign-...
I imagine she could have put many more boots on the ground, but what's the "relating" bit? Rich NY Trump telling Iowans he'll move there all chummily? Well, that's easy - trust a real estate shyster with your vote, forget about policy, forget about listening sessions.
What is the actual approach you think can turn Iowa, aside from a couple seats? If you were in the Republican party what policies could you change? What do people actually want? Could you preach the actual bible and get different results in the heartland? When the economy does better, people hear bad news. How to combat that?
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 05/10/2022 - 2:06am
The video is pretty clear that Obama handled the demographic well, as did her husband in an earlier time. It wasn't about "visits", it was about being able to communicate that you "felt their pain" or whatever.
My advice would be to not run a Hllary type! It's just that simple.
You refuse to admit that Hillary was simply unlikeable to many, so I don't know what else to say. For the umpteeth time, SHE WAS NOT A GREAT PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, GAVE OFF AN ELITIST, HOLIER THAN THOU AIR. (Most Senators do that, BTW, and that's the reason for the old adviso that they aren't good presidential candidates, and which also made her a great Senator and Secretary of State. Presidential characters have to have a bit more of a populist air. I know, Obama was elite and a Senator. But he actually wasn't that good of a Senator. And the video shows him talking about his youth in Kansas....not to mention how he teased Hillary about her "likeability" during the primary. He wasn't into lording it over others -except her in that primary, tried to pull her down a notch- he didn't even practice much law, he was into grass roots politicking.)
Now you can proceed to all your arguments and links about how Trump stole the election. (My pre-emptive: he couldn't have done it without her schoolmarm personality helping. What don't you get about "likeability"? Just because you like someone, doesn't mean harping on it forever is going to change the taste of a gazillion others.)
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/10/2022 - 7:50am
There are several reasons - Obama was younger, male, turned being black into an advantage in a year that was long coming post-Jesse (and how private school upbringing/white grandparents took him out of the hood think)
Obama handled social media well (Howard Dean wasn't bad but crashed) - and he was good at being enigmatic and Rorschach-like - everyone saw what they wanted. The opposition failed to damage him, but got better at social media after 2008 and the crash/rise of Tea Party emboldened them, as did 2 years obstructing healthcare and 6 more trying to repeal, shutting down gov, stealing Obama's SC pick, etc.
Hillary was "most admired woman" like 2 years before she was "unlikable", with various Benghazi hearings, et al along the way. Much of the damage was from far left types (wrapping Iraq around her neck, not Kerry's or Biden's, reversing chronology to make her Gaddafi comment seem more callous while ignoring Gaddafi's threats to wipe out Benghazi and making it her baby more than Obama's...). And the Roger Stone types for the Seth Rich and Pedophile pizza smears. In 2008 Obama's problem was to deflect how well Hillary was doing in West Virginia. 8 years later she was to blame, and Trump was the savior. It didn't help that Obama was overly cautious in a lot of places, so revitalizing the Appalachians didn't happen, and any Dems (i.e. Hillary) caught the fallout. The Obama bailout was tax-cut friendly, shy on payments to individuals, and he was slow stopping banks from their robo-foreclosures, so again, a lot of bitterness during the slow recovery, while blacks received much less attention due to Obama rightly-or-wrongly not wanting to appear pandering.
Yes, Hillary had her balls in a víse - any outing to talk ideas and policy and promote grrl power was met by media antipathy, pivot to her emails, etc. Easier to be likable to pre-primed adoring fans, which for females seemed attractive for a NY sec til "I don't vote my vagina" took hold from Susan Sarandon to Killer Mike. (oh yeah, wokedom started, so being white female was overtaken by PoC female, partly LGBTQ. Worth remembering that Kerry 2004 largely lost due to the shock of gay marriage (and Ohio voting machines) while 12 years later gay marriage was assured and we were on to pronouns - these are quick shifts that are hard to slalom.
Beyond that, Hillary got 3 million more votes than her opponent. Whether she ran a bad campaign for actual electoral votes or they were stolen, her performance was not embarrassing like Mondale or Dukakis. She won the popular vote, and possibly won those 3 critical Midwest swing states, barely losing the electoral vote in any case. She held her own. She made mistakes , but she ran a pretty fucking respectable campaign considering the combination of winds against her, and the kamikaze campaign of Bernie Sanders was one of them, illegal Mercers & Cambridge Analytica support for Trump another, documented hacking of DNC and Podesta by Russia's GRU a third. Yet she got 3 million more votes. Not just sour grapes - she fought hard against worst odds if you actually calculate (thank Nate Silver for that). How many US candidates could ask Russia for help on national TV and thrive? Biden just had to sit out COVID and wait for Clayburne to make him a deal after it looked like he lost. We should all be so lucky in being uninspiring. Bidens a much better president than candidate.
PS - prolly something to say about the expansion/growing influence of Fox/Sinclair, FEC going AWOL while Egypt, UAE et al made illegal presidential campaign (Trump) payments, and other shifts. Seriously, there's not just 1 issue on what campaigns succeed. You saw the video on Iowa - part includes how the Dem party runs its apparatus - in Hillary's year she had to bail them out (partly Obama's depowering them), part just the combined talent across the board, etc. In 2018 ppl (women especially) were pissed and ran a stronger campaign. 2016 there was too little urgency to combat Trump gullibility.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 05/10/2022 - 9:32am
PPS - after Mueller reports, Senate hearings and Jan 6 investigations, we know how badly Trump's+GOP+Russian gang colluded and conspired , getting worse but already bad in 2015. 7 years on, we should not be naive about that push - Trump was experienced in breaking the law for decades, and he both campaigned and ruled to that effect. They came in to break the law. Any opponents suffered, whether Republicans who tried to stand up to him or the opposition. Many assholes prospered for a while, then fell off deck. That is our story of the last 7 years, and hopefully the Jan6 committee+DoJ put more closure to it at the top. Yes, the Russian-Ukrainian connection that fed Trump's 2nd impeachment is also there - enjoy the war festivities. It's not just about Hillary. Trump was angling for a Trump Tower Moscow in 2015 (that he denied), and it made him open to all sorts of influence and blackmail, including Deripaska behind the disinfo Steele reports, and other Butina, Trump Tower/Russian lawyer Hillary-dirt meetings, Macedonian diainfo teams, WikiLeaks hack drops, etc. What a mess. We even have John Durham continuing the amateurish charade to make it all the more insulting.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 05/10/2022 - 10:13am
This is one of the dumbest things you've latched onto. Biden was a Senator candidate, Obama was a Senator candidate, JFK was a Senator candidate, Truman was a Senator aside from 3 months as VP. LBJ was Senator aside from 2 1/2 years as VP. Gore was a Senator then 8 yr VP who got a much greater % of votes than Bill Clinton either time. John Kerry was a Senator candidate who won half the vote (48.3%/251 electoral votes, just shy of Gore). Nixon was Senator after 8 years VP. Bernie Sanders was a Senator who electrified the 2016 primaries, as did Sen. Eugene McCarthy and Sen. Robert Kennedy in 1968 before former Sen/1-term VP Hubert Humphrey won the nomination. (I'll give you Bob Dole and Walter Mondale). How did so many Senators learn how to run, and how did so many VP-turned-Presidents overcome the disability of being Senator?
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 05/10/2022 - 11:46am
again, the video clearly shows how the same rural districts which voted for Bill Clinton and Obama didn't vote for her.
you ask me what my suggestion is, to make a different result-which I didn't volunteer until you asked- I say probably don't run a Ms. Hillary smarty pants type again.
Notably we should not even be getting into talking about a whole country wide presidential race here, in that scenario maybe those demographics could just be written off as a loss.
BUT if you want to win there, you get a Bill Clinton type, not a Hillary.(top girl in her class always does her homework, teacher's pet, can bully any bully and ridicules anyone who stays home and bakes cookies)
And I think your years of repetitive ranting about the unfairness of it all about what happened to your clearly favorite girl of all time is one of the dumbest things YOU do! BECAUSE no amount of debating is ever going to change people into a fan of someone they don't like. It's frankly absurd how you keep arguing that as if it's going to change their feelings. It doesn't help. I am actually embarrassed for you, that you are continually bringing up these fairness issues when it's all about people's feelings.
Honestly l suspect Bernie could have won some of these lost to Trump that were turned off by Hillary, rural/rustbelt, but he would have lost elsewhere.
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/10/2022 - 1:55pm
P.S.As for Biden, once past his poor performance at primary debates with the help of Clyburne, he had this
Same as Bill Clinton. Hillary on the other hand doesn't have that, she admits no flaws or handicaps, is always right. and she expects all the little girls to be just like her, or else, tiger mom to the world.
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/10/2022 - 2:17pm
I'm trying to point out 1) there were a lot of trends that wiped away conditions in Bill & Barack's days.
2) that bon mot about Senate candidates is just fatally flawed with the slightest historical glance
3) it's hard to say a candidate that wins the popular vote by 3 million over someone who mopped up the Republican field is truly awful, especially amidst incessant largely unprecedented attacks of various sorts
4) "You refuse to admit that Hillary was simply unlikeable to many" - well, no, I can track polls as well as you can. However, I also know that Hillary can be likeable to many - as the Gallup Poll seemed to show -
"Clinton has finished first 22 times -- more than any other man or woman -- including in 1993 and 1994, 1997 through 2000, and 2002 through 2017. Clinton has finished second on three occasions, third once (this year) and fourth once (in 1992)."
5) so aside from questioning Gallup, is there more to Hillary simply being unlikeable say in flyover country or other true American regions, what other influences might there be on Hillary's "unlikeability" (perhaps tracking other issues such as immigration, abortion, MeToo, wokedom) or the steady rise of the Tea Party/kray-kray GOP from Jan 2009, the Bundys standoff of Jan 2014, and whatnot....
6) do these graphs suggest anything relevant to comparing Bill, Barack & Hillary, ignoring the internet a sec?
(note MSNBC gained more strength after 2016 and then plateaued)
So no, it's not all about her. Though investigations of Jan 6, 2020 should give an idea that these guys were already playing hugely dirty in the background in 2015 and before, just a steady escalation like Fox viewership tracks.
Steve Schmidt has new revelations about Russia having an in as McCain's campaign manager back in 2007/2008, and that Russian influence grew hugely over the years as well. Doesn't explain Hillary's gaffes and what-not, but not irrelevant either. Nor for Biden's performance - there are forces beyond just popularity with real people that are driving the supposed dissatisfaction with him - which if done well enough creates real undeserved dissatisfaction.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 05/10/2022 - 2:55pm
And those little things like a likely illegal $10 million gift from Egypt 11 days before the 2016 election that couldn't be proven because Trump never opened up his finances - if that illegal gift did in fact occur, how much did it help the final results, as just 1 example of the FEC being AWOL & Trump + GOP running over the rules - foreign donations & support, et al. Did the GOP take such liberties in 1992/6 or 2008/2012? I don't see it. Trump sparked a whole new standard for outrageousness. He would have done it against anyone, and indeed he did even worse against Biden (though he got 46.9% of the vote, a bit more than his 46.1% against Hillary, and still won half the states).
And to quote Faulkner, "the past isn't even past.": Three Years into the Durham Investigation, a Jury Will Get to Hear about Trump's Request that Russia Hack Hillary - emptywheel
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 05/10/2022 - 4:19pm
As Steve Schmidt is opening up about Rick Davis, it should be remembered that Tad Devine, Bernie's campaign manager, had these same Manafort/Yanukovych/Ukraine electoral fuckery that Davis had. Which begs the question what part Russians played in Bernie's meteoric rise May 15, tossing his hat in the ring *after* Hillary did (which doesn't say Bernie would necessarily know anything, but a lot of traction from Putin's celebrity-feted dinner in Moscow etc - suddenly was cool to have Russian ties)
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 05/10/2022 - 6:13pm
what can happen to people who get so used to mouthing agitprop on social media that they forget words actually have specific meaning in the legal system
edit to add: and leftie provocateurs shouldn't think it can't happen to them. court is serious business where you have to drop your shtick
by artappraiser on Wed, 05/11/2022 - 6:04pm