MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Nothing against community colleges. They would help. If the skills of the American workforce were the issue. But that's not why we have high unemployment right now. He must realize that.
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Man...every time he opens his mouth, Obama shows how out of touch he is.
by cmaukonen on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 3:40pm
Why? This is what he said: "We are in a tough fight. We’ve been in a tough fight over the last two and a half years to get past a crippling recession, but also to deal with the problems that happened before this recession -- the fact that manufacturing had weakened, the middle class was treading water. I don’t think the answer is for us to turn back. I think the answer is to stand up for what this country is capable of achieving, and to place our bets on entrepreneurs and workers and to get behind some of the great work that’s being done here at NOVA and in schools all across the country."
by Rootman on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 4:52pm
So let me get this straight.
We're two and a half years into a tough fight. Ok, so far, so good.
But then what he wants us to do is... stand up.... Then place our bets.... Then get behind something.
No, no, no, Barack. That's a description of what's called, "being a spectator and making bets, while standing well back from any actual fighting."
What he needed to say was, "We're in a hell of a fight... But I just nailed Bank of America in the nads... Why don't you kids finish them off while I go put Goldman in a headlock."
Thank you very much.
by quinn esq on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 12:55am
And on a similar note. it was pointed out in a comment on another blog how many entry level semi-skilled positions require a BS degree now. So I checked it out and he was right. CNC operators jobs the require a BS degree. What are essentially glorified data entry positions that require a comp sci degree.
It's totally screwy.
by cmaukonen on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 3:56pm
Community colleges are a gateway to four-year colleges for many people.
by Peter Schwartz on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 9:17am
People are going to community colleges in record numbers and often get training that is not matched to the available jobs (those that there are). So this is an initiative to harmonize specialized vocational training with the established criteria for manufacturing employment and provide a system where you graduate with a credential that demonstrates to employers that you can be productive on day one, as a welder, CNC technician, or whatever.
This helps students not waste their education. Bush never did anything so thoughtful in his life. Don't be a grinch.
by Rootman on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 4:13pm
I'm not saying there aren't merits to it, I'm saying that the President shouldn't unwittingly fall for the "structural unemployment ruse" by which the current unemployment numbers become not the fault of those who mismanaged the economy but of the unemployed.
by Michael Maiello on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 4:22pm
You're a grinch, still.
by Rootman on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 4:28pm
Couldn't find it googling, but remember the WSJ piece last summer decrying the annecdotal evidence of the author's friend who said he couldn't find high-tech skilled employees for his factory? The cure was for Unions to train them...now that pissed me off. This training is at least better, at least on paper.
I do know a total of one (1) people who got re-trained under Clinton's NAFTA-offset plan.
I think they have all pretty much internalized structural unemployment at pretty high levels. ;o(
by we are stardust on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 5:09pm
Union training programs have always been an asset to both the unions themselves and to people aspiring for better jobs. The White House pointed out today that we have to replace 2.7 million manufacturing employees who are 55 years of age or older and likely to leave the labor force in the next 10 years. Do we need to train workers? Absolutely, and as much as possible.
by Rootman on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 5:22pm
Business used to train workers, too. That company might have thought of that before whining to the WSJ is my thing. It sounded as though it may have been very specialized training they needed.
by we are stardust on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 6:48pm
I agree with you Destor, rather than admit their eco nomic policy was ABSOLUTELY WRONG, now they want to blame the victims of their wrong cure.
Its the victims fault they were not as healthy as the doctor presumed.
The administration thought the banks would reciprocate, just because they would be nice? No history to support that conclusion, but Obama had hope they would do the right thing?
FOOLS
Paul Krugman and Joseph Stiglitz told the Administrion what to do, but their wisdom was rejected, The advisors the President listened to had alterior motives keep the contagion from affecting Privledge ones.
The President being told by his closest advisors "we can't save everyone, so choose"
The bottom feeders, would suffer; so much for a proper veiw of the ECO system as in Eco nomics,
The President allowed the plankton to die and now the whole food chain is suffering.
IDIOTS Hope wont bring it back
The President and his advisors killed off the goose that laid the golden eggs.
When you help the least fortunate amongst you, you help yourselves. BASIC HUMANITY
Like an arrogant physician, or physical therapist who thinks if you just do what they tell you you'll recover, Obama chose his advisors; if he didnt; who pulled the puppets strings?
Blame the patient for the lack of recovery, heck any excuse will do, Just don't blame the head strong physician.
President: "Golly I thought for sure the cure we recommended would work. SORRY"
by Resistance on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 5:11pm
You should take a writing course.
by Rootman on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 5:22pm
Why, so I could say I'm better than the average Joe?
by Resistance on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 5:31pm
It is a well established fact the the government will always apply the wrong solution to a problem, far too late and do it very badly.
by cmaukonen on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 5:24pm
You forgot to attribute that quote to Ronald Reagan.
by Rootman on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 5:29pm
You mean Ronald Reagan could actually talk ?
by cmaukonen on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 5:54pm
It may only be "half a ruse."
There's also a genuine difference of opinion about structural unemployment. For example, as I read him, Reich believes there are structural problems; Krugman, not so much or not at all.
You know, we've had two successive bubbles, one in the 1990s and one in the 2000s that may have masked underlying structural problems.
IOW, there was mismanagement, but not only by greedy bankers and compliant government types. There was mismanagement in failing to prepare for a new world with new rules and much tougher competition.
It doesn't make sense not to urge people to do what they need to do to thrive in this new world.
by Peter Schwartz on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 9:23am
The administration says job training can be one tool to reduce the unemployment rate...The goal is to make sure your degree helps you to get a promotion, or a raise or a job, and that’s especially important right now,” Obama told students and officials at the college. “We’ve got to do everything we can, everything in our power, to strengthen and build the middle class.”
He isn't saying that it is catch-all solution. It is one tool of many. Moreover, if those who are in th manufacturing field are going to join the middle class, they will be need to have the education. And a rise in the middle class helps the economy, which creates more jobs.
by Elusive Trope on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 5:04pm
The other tool ...........or DUPES
Cutting the throats of college grads; junior college graduates will work a lot cheaper, they dont have as big of demands.
Another Tool: If Corporations need more College grads, the governement has another tool; expand the H1B visa laws; another tool to destroy the current middle class
Another Tool: Bring in cheap immigrant labor, they too work cheaper, is that another one of this administrations tools, to destroy the current middle class?
The dupes are US.
This administration is using the Tools to destroy us; the wage slaves.
by Resistance on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 5:33pm
Will you believe Georgetown U.?
The Center on Education and the Workforce (CEW) released Help Wanted: Projecting Jobs and Education Requirements, which attributes the future shortfall of eligible workers to a growing disconnect, as the economy slowly recovers, between the types of jobs employers need to fill and numbers of Americans who have the education and training to fill the jobs.
“America needs more workers with college degrees, certificates and industry certifications,” said Anthony Carnevale, research professor and director of CEW, a research center at the Georgetown Public Policy Institute. “If we don’t address this need now, millions of jobs could go offshore.”
The study forecasts that 63 percent of all jobs will require at least some postsecondary education, and analyzes job creation and education requirements through most of the next decade – broken down nationally by industry and occupation along with state-by-state forecasts.
by Rootman on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 5:28pm
Been been poking through the research a bit. Something about their approach is rubbing me wrong, not 100% sure what it is yet. I think the results are off base to some degree. the education-requirement rankings seem by-and-large pretty accurate, but IMO their percentage calculations seem off base; significantly so in some categories.
Thanks for the highlight. I plan to go through it in detail. This could be germane to a part of our business (finding jobs for people who have been injured).
One thing they don't catch is that many of the "stocker/gopher" type of entry level positions (for example) are being eliminated by dumping the tasks on the sales and managerial workforce. It used to be pretty easy to find a good job in retail/management for someone with a sedentary limitation - for many industries such roles only required being good at sales/management. Nowadays managers and floor sales staff are increasingly required to lift upwards of 50+ lbs. It's happening in certain types of office positions too. It has gotten to the point where it is sometimes easier to find better opportunities for a HS grad who can lift 50 lbs frequently than a college grad with a serious lifting restriction. Perhaps apropos of nothing - but it's a semi-related trend that seems to be increasing of late.
by kgb999 on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 2:17am
As someone who taught at community colleges during the downturn in the logging industry here in the PNW in the 1990's, there was an influx of funding from the federal government for retraining programs in that area and I believe in other areas that were experiencing economic downturns. Although, I had many a logger who came through my 100 and 200 level community college classes who were just beginning to learn how to use computers and retraining to get jobs in the tech industry. And those dollars were well spent Destor. I had several students who eventually went on to obtain four year degrees and masters degrees, I know because they eventually took the graduate courses I was teaching at the UW. Other students took their AAS and started their own businesses some building computers, others went to work for Boeing, Russel Investments (they have a large tech department) and some went to work for Weyerhouser and Simpson because they too have large tech departments. You know, that saved us in this economic downturn, the Pacific Northwest has not experienced the same problems as the rest of the nation. In the county I reside in, the unemployment percentage rose from 6.5% to 7.3% and as the economy has improved and it has, we are now holding steady at 7.0%.
The greater investment in education, the easier it will be for our nation to recover from future economic downturns.
Skills are an issue for everyone. If we can help people in that way they can get good paying jobs. Our oldest son, is Network Engineer, he had no problem getting a job last year when lots of other people were being laid off. He has insurance, a retirement plan, makes more than $50,000.00 a year. I think that people who don't have those kind of skills would like the opportunity to gain those skills. As our economy changes people need to change with the economy. Programmers, SOC and network engineers, DBA's, SQL guru's, there are all kinds of positions out there and these skills are required. Our second son who is also a CS major, has already been offered a job with the company that employs his brother, he finishes school in 2012. There is a huge need for people with these skills. Retraining offers people opportunities they wouldn't have otherwise.
I guess I just don't see why this is considered bad.
by tmccarthy0 on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 5:32pm
Microsoft purged tens of thousands of those kinds of jobs not long back. I don't now how stuff is on your side of the mountains, but refugees from that flooded the contract development/business support market over here and are still kind of brutalizing opportunities (smaller pond though). My understanding is that they started using H1Bs to cut bene' overhead (MS was getting 80% of all H1Bs there for a while), give them on-the-job training and send them back to do the same jobs far cheaper through subsidiaries held in third world economies. They still hire some engineers - especially for gaming (and now mobile) - but they have a nasty habit of taking the institutional knowledge established by innovators at HQ and moving it to their third-world workforce as soon as it proves out and staffing needs expand to scales. That's one upward limit on tech employment that we can't educate out of.
Google is on the upswing; somewhat. The socials are looking pretty much tapped. Amazon has some good expansion going on in their EC2 platform - but I don't think that's effectively in the educational pipeline yet. The mobile platforms have some growing opportunity too - but it gets kind of sketchball with a lot of spec work once you get outside the mega-corps or their affiliated studios.
Don't get me wrong, of course education is important. And in this world - tech education more so than many other types. But it's not like there are a bazillion awesome jobs in tech either right now. This isn't the 90s ... heading in to the internet boom and seeing the maturation of the office PC LAN and mass adoption of the home computer. The market really sucks for the most part (and the job numbers generally seem to back this impression up). Tens of thousands of techs have been rendered jobless. Employment is tight and average compensation is contracting in a big way. Your kids are pretty lucky (hopefully it's company growth and not a case of clearing out experienced techs earning pre-crash scale with entry-level folks working for cheap - which is happening a lot these days).
If education is going to do it, there must be jobs available. Not a big fan of retraining as response to lack of employment, I have seen a LOT of people go through retraining who never got back to work. To fix the current employment problem, someone somewhere is going to have to invest in doing something that makes a lot of jobs. Who that is, how aggressively they invest and what those jobs will be has a lot to do with if retraining is useful - and what folks should be retrained to do.
Our infrastructure is a mess. From roads to rails to bridges to power transmission lines. Many infrastructure components have a duty cycle that is nearing (or past) an end. Sit in on a few rural city council meetings and see how folks are cobbling together their sewers from surplus bits and pieces left over from 1978 because buying new stuff is too expensive. This is the most logical place where a bunch of work could be created - and in the reasonably short term will HAVE to be created if we don't want society to crumble. That stuff is a function of math; municipal planners can even tell you to the day and dollar what's slated to fail. So, truthfully, there is a great need for blue-collar workers in our current society if we simply were to catch our nation's infrastructure up. And even the expansion of energy infrastructure; wind, solar, and smart grid upgrades would be be largely manufacturing and installation type jobs.
I don't exactly see what can be done to create an explosion of new SQL management jobs without creating a bunch of new businesses that need database management. A significant increase in those sorts of jobs seem like it would be facilitated as sort of a trailing benefit to investing in creating a bunch of jobs in the rest of the economy. Which is the point. We need to invest in creating jobs, or all the education in the world won't help a lick for many of the unemployed and underemployed. And if we make those kinds of investments, many of the people who today are looking at retraining (with uncertain prospects at the end of it) could just go to work doing something they are perfectly well educated for.
But, let's get real here. Obama hasn't thought about ANY of this. He was just busting out his canned "I'm at a college - what do these people want to hear?" presidential blah blah blah.
by kgb999 on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 3:54am
Would you rather have him talk about alligators along our Southern border in the moat; eating up all of those highly educated folks?
The President has it all planned out.
Those municipalities with all of those infrastructure jobs you spoke of; are for the new blue collar immigrants. Who else will do it, seeing as all of our Natural citizens are the engineers?
You can't have more chiefs, than workers.
Someone will have to do the job, Americans won't do .......that cheap
by Resistance on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 6:20am
Good analysis. Infrastructure bank, public/private.
by Peter Schwartz on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 9:32am
I think the problem is the way the workforce votes.
by Rootman on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 6:34pm
Yeah. That whole giving Democrats the White House and both chambers of congress thing we tried totally didn't work out for us at all.
by kgb999 on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 2:25am
For two years, even with the blue dogs, when we got the fairly big infrastructure budget you wanted, and a big step on healthcare. Then the working class helped vote out the House because the infrastructure spending and health reform freaked them out.
by Rootman on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 7:28am
Did THEY get freaked out...or were they demagogued into freaking out?
by Peter Schwartz on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 9:33am
Democrats love this kind of program because for them it is always the nineties.
Back then retraining was important because of all the sectoral shifts in the labor market, with lots of openings in some industries and lots of lost jobs in others. Right now we have job losses across the board and no openings across the board. All industries, except for logging and mining, have major job shortages. Retraining people in other skills for which there is equally no demand is pointless.
So unless community colleges are retraining k-12 teachers and nurses to become lumberjacks and miners, this is just the modern day equivalent of subsidizing people to dig holes and fill them.
by Cho on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 7:15pm
How can you possibly be opposed to providing kids with training and credentials to match the sectors that are hiring or expected to be hiring when hiring picks up? Have you considered demographics? Did you know that the average age of a welder in the U.S. is 55, and that they are retiring twice as fast as kids are coming into the field? Many of these are jobs on bridges and pipelines and skyscrapers that can't be done overseas. If part of what the government is doing is planning for a post-recession workforce, with non-service-sector middle class jobs, then great.
by Rootman on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 8:44pm
I'm all in favor of a plan to train kids in skills matching sectors with a shortage of qualified staff. I'm saying ... there are no sectors with such a shortage of qualified staff.
See here and here. If you have a link providing evidence to the contrary, I'd be more than happy to see it.
As for the 'post-recession', I think it's far away, as do most projections. Unless some job-creation programs are implemented the 'recovery' will remain jobless for the foreseeable future.
Beyond that, don't misunderstand me. If it means a few people get teaching jobs "training" these people, that's a good thing. But basically its dig-a-hole-fill-it-up style stimulus.
by Cho on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 9:08pm
There are projections on when post-recession starts? Where? I could use that info.
by Rootman on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 9:38pm
Health care...lots of skills needed across the board...big market coming their way.
by Peter Schwartz on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 9:34am
Local governments have been doing this sort of thing plus waiving several years' property taxes to lure businesses to their jurisdictions. It will end up just another way to earmark pork, if it isn't already.
It is not really about jobs. It never is. It is about patronage. Rewarding loyalty.
Why is it government's role to pay for apprenticeships for private businesses? Once again, privatizing profits; socializing costs.
by EmmaZahn on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 9:02pm
Whaaaat? We have the most privatized and unsocialized vocational education system in the industrialized world.
by Rootman on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 9:05pm
Yes. Think about who ends up with the tuition money from this program?
by EmmaZahn on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 9:27pm
This is not an expenditure program. It's a program to maximize the investments made by students by adding credentialing or certification to their degree and harmonizing their training with the stated needs of manufacturing employers. It's to stop kids from wasting their tuition and time.
by Rootman on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 9:35pm
Emma meet wall.
by cmaukonen on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 9:42pm
This is the bizzaro-world dagblog where bizzaro Emma makes the argument that government expenditures on education are pork and bizzaro cmaukonen makes the argument that the government is ill-suited to do social policy.
Must be something screwy with the internet.
by Rootman on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 9:53pm
The government in it's current condition - a condition that has existed for 60 years or so and has only deteriorated - is ill suited to perform most tasks. That's the problem.
What is needed is one that is competent to perform them.
by cmaukonen on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 9:58pm
That's what Huckabee said. Others believe that our government can help make us safer, healthier, richer, and smarter.
by Rootman on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 10:02pm
Bizarro? I prefer radical. :>D
Just trying to move the Overton window.
by EmmaZahn on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 10:11pm
Are you for real? or is this some sort of snark? Sorry I am not familiar enough with your posts/comments to know.
From the article:
What is in it for US to educate and train people to be employees for specific businesses or really any businesses? At the local level it is considered a good way to expand/enhance the tax base. Think of it as local jurisdictions venturing capital. One problem with that is the success ratio of venture capital is about 1:19. That's right around 95% of new businesses fail. But the biggest problem with the local version is that more and more businesses play local jurisdictions off against one another AND as soon as any tax breaks and other concessions expire, they will make a new deal somewhere else and move on.
You know, we really need to rethink this whole job-based economy thing. We sell ourselves way too cheap.
by EmmaZahn on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 10:09pm
OK, I see where we got derailed. Bloomberg is wrong. There is no new $2 billion proposal. The Labor Dept and some manufacturing groups are trying to assure a match between job training and the actual needs of employers, similar to what is done in Europe, and it's a low-cost win-win for students and employers. Just setting some standards and guidelines and matchmaking. Obama's actual proposal here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/06/08/remarks-president-...
Not that I think $2 billion would be a lot of money to put on the street. But that refers to education funds already passed in the Obamacare legislation to fund training and is not really related to this news item.
by Rootman on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 10:38pm
The considerations you name about corporate funding 'moving on' is one of the major concerns about private-public partnerships in charter schools. And in the meantime, corporate appointees can actually sit in the administrative offices with some clout.
by we are stardust on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 10:29pm
That's why employers don't want to train -- the employees move on. Unions are good for training -- you are union for life, even if you change jobs. I think the government is well suited to invest in its future taxpayers, though, and the rest of the developed world agrees.
by Rootman on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 10:41pm
Preaching to the choir.
I just think we could do better by them and in turn they could do better by us if we invested more wisely.
by EmmaZahn on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 10:56pm
If you look at what was proposed today, it is exactly that...government at its best. I was astounded to see Obama being excoriated for it here of all places. Cho saying let them eat cake, etc.
by Rootman on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 11:02pm
It's easy to understand if you start from the premise that if Obama does it, it must be bad. Starting there will help explain about 2/3 of the nonsense that gets posted on lefty blogs.
by brewmn on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 12:30am
Dude. Only a Democrat could think training and retraining was "government at its best."
Job creation - now that's Government at its best.
BTW, Dagblog just got funding to run a retraining program for out-of-work bloggers interested in the fast-growing world of tweeting.
Dick's running it.
Apparently, when he heard there was a 140 character limit, he said, "Easy. I've never told a story with more than 110, tops."
by quinn esq on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 1:10am
Listen to Quinn's advice, kids, and whatever you do --- don't train to fabricate wind turbine towers UNTIL the projects come back to 2007 levels when there were not enough skilled workers to meet demand! Just take the year off!
Maybe they'll give that job to a German.
by Rootman on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 7:51am
Again, there is no point in more job-training when the shortage for the foreseeable future is in jobs, not trained workers. When you have 85% of college graduates going back to mom and dad without any work, any further cash lying around should be used for job-creation, not job-training. So use the 2 billion on food stamps, unemployment insurance, help to states' budgets, or something along those lines to pump up aggregate demand. Not more training for jobs that might appear 4-5 years down the line.
Hope that's clearer for you.
by Cho on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 9:45am
One of the only two companies that have set up new manufacturing jobs in my economically depressed neck of the rust belt was an Italian corporation that could have just as easily decided on Canada or Mexico. They choose this community because there were enough skilled workers in the region to fill the needed positions. A number of the other manufactors in the area who are still around are owned by European corporations, who are making relocation and expansion decisions based on where the workers are.
Moreover, the local community college in town is one of the big employers. When it was able to expand into a downtown facility, it was a major economic shot in the arm for the local businesses there.
by Elusive Trope on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 10:02am
The $2 billion was passed in March 2010 in the Health Care and Education Affordability Reconciliation Act of 2010 and is not new money. Bloomberg misreported.
by Rootman on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 10:15am
Okay thanks.
by Cho on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 10:34am
Ooooooh, listen to Mr. Fancypants.
"Our money isn't that new (ewwww) money. Our money's been around for ages. Grandfather made it in minerals, and postage stamps, and gumdrop machines. None of that new (ewwww) money for us.
Now Daddy's investing it all in training. Says it's the coming thing."
by quinn esq on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 10:35am
Lol.
by Cho on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 10:36am
White House summit emphasizes public-private partnerships
by EmmaZahn on Wed, 06/08/2011 - 10:13pm
Destor, I think one of Obama's strong and weak points is that he tends to look too much at the big picture and long ball when immediate help is needed.
I think he sees correctly that many Americans need new skills to compete in this new world. He sees that community colleges are an excellent route for helping them get there.
So it's not really that he's blaming the victim; it's that he's saying: This is what needs to happen to correct a big problem that won't get fixed right away.
But meanwhile, people are unemployed and this is having long-term consequences. Zakaria talked of an infrastructure bank--public/private--that might be a way to break through the deficit objection to every spending proposal.
by Peter Schwartz on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 9:00am
I find it interesting that at the same time that Trumka and the unions are making politicans sign a pledge which includes as its second point "Equal access to quality, public education," we've got a whole thread about whether or not Obama is out of touch about the employment issue because he is trying to help provide equal access to quality, public education.
by Elusive Trope on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 9:52am
The best training program is an expanding economy. When industry needs workers, it trains them.For a specific job that needs doing.Nevertheless attending a Community College increases the chances of getting a job by serving as in effect yet another high stakes test which otherwise the company itself would have to administer.
by Flavius on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:52am
What this program does is increase the number of applicants for the same limited number of jobs. So, sure, in a sense it increases the chances of those previously unqualified, but it does so only by decreasing the chances of those already qualified and now out of work.
Unless jobs are created, this is just a zero-sum game. And hence wasted money.
by Cho on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 12:10pm
Plus, if you educate kids, they won't be happy with their food stamps.
by Rootman on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 12:16pm
ha.
My point is that insofar this is/was an either-or question, I think people prefer food and no welding certificate to welding certificate with no food. Priorities and all that.
Insofar as this is money already allocated by the ARRA, fine. no problem. Go ahead. yay for education. Too bad about the 25% of families living with food insecurity.
by Cho on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 12:42pm
A twist on the theme....from the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers: (NOT the hungry kids part)
Aaahhhhhhh.....
by we are stardust on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 12:51pm
High unemployment is the result of free trade.And there are no steps Obama or anyone else can take to restore full employment as long as corporations have to choose between a $20/hour American worker or a $5/hour East Asian.
Keynes
by Flavius on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 1:04pm
Germany unemployment: 6.1%
Japan unemployment (pre Tsunami): 4.6%
Netherlands unemployment: 4.2%
etc.
I don't think free-trade is an adequate explanation. Labor market can do alot.
by Cho on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 1:14pm
Hourly compensation rates in 2007
US 30.56,Korea 18.36,Singapore 15.43,Taiwan 8.15,Mexico 3.91..
Combine these rates with the container ship- and it follows that manufacturers must out source internationally to remain competitive. Unless we accept Keynes advice to
How to make that happen
According to Skidelsky Keynes view was that "Free trade policy was part of an .....argument....... in which employment would always be distributed in line with comparative advantage." But
i.e.it's not efficient to make things in Seoul and ship them to be used in Detroit instead of just making them in Detroit.
by Flavius on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 3:12pm
Yes. I agree. You have a wonderful theory that OUR WORLD SADLY WON'T LIVE UP TO.
I'm sure there's a wonderful world out there where it does apply. I hope you find it.
;0)
Again. Germany. Japan. Competitive manufacturing. They live in the same WTO world as the US.
by Cho on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 3:39pm
Germany and Japan were completely modernized after the war; giving them an advantage.
by Resistance on Thu, 06/09/2011 - 5:18pm
I don't argue that no country anywhere will ever resist the impeccable capitalistic logic which dictates whenever possible outsourcing production to subsistence-wage venues. Just don't hold your breat.
by Flavius on Fri, 06/10/2011 - 12:34am
What is my 'breat', and how do you know I was holding it...? Is this more of that sexual innuendo I'm not understanding...?
and if so, is this webcam on or something...grumble grumble
Note to self: change pseudonym.
by Cho on Fri, 06/10/2011 - 2:03am
breath
. I don't spel so good.
by Flavius on Fri, 06/10/2011 - 7:17am
Sure, they live in the same WTO world. That doesn't mean they mirror our free trade policies or align the regulatory and taxation incentives in the direction of encouraging corporations to move their work force's employment to third-world economies.
Their manufacturing may be competitive ... but comparatively, their CEO compensation sucks ass.
by kgb999 on Fri, 06/10/2011 - 3:00am
100 years from now economic historians will look back on our Free Trade philosophy and think we were out of our minds.
How could we even have contemplated exposing our own citizens to competition from the subsistence level wages available as each developing country reaches a stage of political stability that makes it an attractive production site. ? Doesn't that inevitably point towards our developing our own under class of unemployed ,under educated, under serviced "proles". ?
Madness.
by Flavius on Fri, 06/10/2011 - 7:28am