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CPAC Participant Defends Slavery At Minority Outreach Panel: It Gave ‘Food And Shelter’ To Blacks
By tmccarthy0 on Fri, 03/15/2013 - 6:12pm |Yikes, is this guy trolling or does he really believe what he said???? OMG.
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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/03/15/1729331/cpac-slavery-minority-outreach/
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Check out websites like this.
They probably aren't that significant but there is a small minority in this country that is obsessed with racial politics and not in a healthy way.
by Orion on Sat, 03/16/2013 - 10:10am
He definitely believes it and he's not alone.
The truth will out.
by cmaukonen on Sat, 03/16/2013 - 10:32pm
Of course he believes it, the thinking has changed little since the 1840's, including the silver tongued sage of South Carolina John C. Calhoun.
Defenders of slavery argued that by comparison with the poor of Europe and the workers in the Northern states, that slaves were better cared for. They said that their owners would protect and assist them when they were sick and aged, unlike those who, once fired from their work, were left to fend helplessly for themselves.
Slaves were in fact often treated better than indentured 'servants' in America. Indentured servants were a sort of temp slave. If they died a week before their gig was up (often 5-7 year term for freedom) it was not a financial loss to the job creator.
Romney and the GOP look with longing on those halcyon days of total human exploitation uninhibited by guvment and enforced by law.
John C. Calhoun
Believer in the divinity of slavery.
by NCD on Sun, 03/17/2013 - 12:57am
What is really disturbing about all this is that you're hearing folks talking openly like this. It became pretty damn socially unacceptable to do it for several decades after Civil Rights.
by Orion on Sun, 03/17/2013 - 2:37pm
What are you talking about?
It was an *audience* member at CPAC. In a conservative convention of thousands, certainly you'll find some racists in the crowd. There are people who talk openly racist today, in the south, north, east and west. There are people who use the n***** word seriously, and don't give a damn if they're "socially unacceptable". Is this a surprise?
But which ones are in office or hold official party position? Which ones encouraged the audience member with his outrageous comments?
Another manufactured scandal.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 03/17/2013 - 3:14pm
It isn't manufactured. Political correctness was so solid for several decades in this country that you could have ex-Klansmen get together and few racist things would be said. Now stories like this or black women having peanuts thrown at them seems to happen almost daily. Then websites like what I linked to have popped out of the wordwork.
People don't seem socially scared to be racist anymore. I've heard the n-bomb dropped (and the full word too - not the appreviated "nigga") more in the last few years than I ever had before - including by family members who grew up with black relatives.
That doesn't mean that white supremacists are going to come in to power or something nutty like that - I'm not sure what the significance of people being vocal with stuff like this is. But it's not good.
by Orion on Sun, 03/17/2013 - 10:38pm
While the convention peanuts story wasn't manufactured, there were no names dropped, only "animals", and the guys were thrown out of the convention. Even for the GOP it was politically incorrect.
I don't think there were any racial epithets listed at CPAC, only some outrageous racist putdowns & ideas.
Considering the obscene & racist language that's used on the internet and in hate radio, the language in face-to-face public discourse is fairly well controlled.
Re: "several decades", somehow you missed the rise of David Duke and White Aryan Resistance and various Colorado Front Range survival groups.
Think when Jesse Jackson was running for president, there were no racist jokes told?
Really, a country of 310 million, and we're making a big deal about this from an audience member?
If I were attention-deprived, I could just go & buy a ticket to CPAC as an outsider and shout out some basic dog-whistle concoction and I'd get 500 sites & papers talking about me. How stupid are we? Is there nothing real to talk about?
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 6:38am
Oh sure, I keep forgetting you are the absolute arbiter on what is and isn't important enough for a discussion at DAG. Do you have your hard and fast guideline as to what is and isn't important enough written down on your own blog or something? Next time I simply check those rules you've come up with before posting a news item. The world according to PP is what is relevant, nothing else can be until he says so. #smh #ObviousTrollIsObvious
Snark aside PP, if this isn't something you want to "talk about", because it isn't relevant, why are you here?
by tmccarthy0 on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:46am
Because we can't manage to discuss drones & illegal surveillance & joblessness while the government focuses on austerity, but we can go on & on about what some dipshit audience member said at a GOP meeting somewhere.
It's a major problem with the left or Democrats or whatever we call it these days. The GOP minority controls the agenda somehow.
But I'm sorry you find it trollish to talk about our expansion of wars & poor economy. Perhaps "Pretty Little Liars" is more your bag?
[snark aside, if you discussed the Sequester on CBS, did you discuss how we got into his situation in the first place? Or was it "mean ol' GOP did this and woe is us"? because, if we keep getting into the same losing showdowns over and over, we might as well discuss pathetic little social actions rather than big issues]
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 11:30am
Your answer is Drones, because we don't talk enough about Drones? And you can write with a straight face you aren't trolling? Oh okay.
You say this issue isn't important to you, so why comment at all, and you say Drones, which isn't the subject at hand, and then you claim you aren't trolling. Funny stuff, really funny stuff.
Do your own news item or blog about drones and discuss it freely, however, this is about the apparent racism at CPAC, since you feel the subject isn't important, which is fine, I still don't get why you commented at all. The go-to troll response to everyone and everything, this isn't an important issue like my issue is, your issue being drones.
If you want to discuss what I said on the radio, then we can discuss it at Mike's blog, but not here. Let's stick to the subject at hand, it's just a damn news item, it isn't even a blog.
by tmccarthy0 on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 12:32pm
Okay, back to my initial comment - all the screeching about the racism over 1 audience member at CPAC was just stupid. Feel better?
You can go back and read my initial comments, where that's pretty much all I said:
http://www.dagblog.com/link/cpac-participant-defends-slavery-minority-ou...
http://www.dagblog.com/link/cpac-participant-defends-slavery-minority-ou...
Perhaps you might consider your role as prime troller, where you consistently show up to add your ad hominems and snobbish self-promotion. Like what did your little bit about sequesters add to a column on selfishness except to let us all know that wow, you were on CBS? You are teh awesome, I'm so gobsmacked...
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 1:44pm
Tim McCarthy is right here. It's not as if race relations aren't something that has plagued this country for over 200 years......
by Orion on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 3:12pm
Funny, a second ago you were saying how use of racial epithets had mostly vanished a few years back, that we'd learned acceptable behavior. Now you're taking the long view. Anyway, forget it. What 1 person says is the universe, all connected, all part of a malignant disease.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 5:31pm
It had - but only because people felt a strange sort of fear and social apprehension about racial matters. That seems to be out the window now.
Folks like this young man simply are a big part of the liberty movement and the Paul clan. That is not at all to say that they are the majority or even that the people who lead these groups are even implicit in it - but they are there.
As that movement has become bigger, they have only started more serious racially based groups with better graphic design, better and younger spokespeople and more influence than before.
Prejudice is a really big part of the human psyche. It is based off alot of things - bad experience, upbringing, fear, a combination of all of this. I will admit to having a lot of prejudice towards women - that has come up as an issue while writing here - mostly due to having grown up around abusive women. I honestly didn't even realize that I had it until it was pointed out.
It's never manufactured, though. Prejudice is irrational whenever it appears. So far, the libertarian movement doesn't really even seem to realize it has this problem - alot of the urban bohemians that have made guys like Rand Paul so popular are just in denial about the obvious. It would be an epic act of maturity for them to actually acknowledge that the prejudice is there.
by Orion on Tue, 03/19/2013 - 5:49pm
It's Teresa, but thanks Orion.
by tmccarthy0 on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 5:35pm
Shit, I'm sorry about that. One can only keep track of so many things!
by Orion on Tue, 03/19/2013 - 5:34pm
I didn't respond to your other comments, because who cares why, but you are trolling when you say, this isn't worth a discussion, to you, so we should all just quit and now your pissed, because I pointed it out. Well it is trolling to demand we talk about what you want which has no relation to this little news item.
But as is your typical mode, you get pissed you make a personal attack, and now you are insulting me because of a comment I made on Mike's blog, blah, blah blah, you think you are so great or whatever... which makes you sound bitter and still off topic as hell.. LOL dude, LOL.
by tmccarthy0 on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 5:34pm
Having a huffie, are we?
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 03/19/2013 - 1:33am
You need to be respectful, PP. This is obvious trolling on your part. Both mccarthy have taken down your ludicrous claims and you're just firing back with this BS.
by Orion on Tue, 03/19/2013 - 5:53pm
You're kidding, right? TMac consistently comes on with a bunch of personal meta -
- and you tell me to be respectful?
And regarding taking down my "ludicrous claims", I basically noted that this is a big kerfluffle over 1 guy in a CPAC audience - not even an exec/board member/politician/staff member - who spit out hypercharged racist ideas - likely to get some attention, which he did, but didn't even use a racial epithet as you then diverted the discussion to.
You then claimed that we'd gotten so much politer over the years, and I noted the white supremacists, fundamentalists, survivalists, et al rising in the 1980's/90's (eg. Alan Berg vs. Aryan Nation/The Order), so I'm not sure when our period of public racial respect came.
But if you feel you "took me down", enjoy the feeling. Glad to make someone happy in this crazy, crazy world.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 03/19/2013 - 11:53pm
You're not about David Duke and that group of white supremacists only illustrates that that is more than likely where this kid is coming from.
The big difference now may be that white supremacists may be aware of what looks really overtly racist and are going to avoid that - hense groups like Youth For Western Civilization, etc.
It's not manufactured. The Republican Party and its supporters let the racial gaffes go regularly without any real help.
by Orion on Wed, 03/20/2013 - 12:08am
And Democrats regularly look for anyone or any comment to use as an example of Republican racism, such as the heavy parsing of Christie's "boy" comment the other day, or the 2 idiots tossed from the convention for throwing peanuts at staff & making "feed the animals" comments.
When I was younger, dumb racist comments from nobodies in a crowd didn't make the national papers or 3000 blogs. I would guess racial tolerance is much better today & unthinking use of racist terms is much lower, but that doesn't mean we don't push the borders of humor/political incorrectness, or that there aren't still some people with hugely racist philosophy who may keep it private or burst out in public.
310 million Americans, your mileage may vary.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 03/20/2013 - 12:38am
It may not be significant enough to think that white supremacists are taking over but seriously, PP. You are intelligent enough to know that their presence is there and not just as Lyndon LaRouche style fringe actors.
by Orion on Wed, 03/20/2013 - 4:22am
I think the whole multi-state voter suppression is a racist-based agenda of the GOP & conservative groups. What that has to do with a lone nut at CPAC, I don't really know.
And if we scream too much about racists hiding behind the trees, they might not believe us talking about ones standing in the middle of the boulevard.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 03/20/2013 - 7:32am
They're not hiding behind the trees. They're right out in the open: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXDWEZekD-A
by Orion on Thu, 03/21/2013 - 1:56am
You'll feel differently, when you're on the receiving end of her insults.
by Resistance on Wed, 03/20/2013 - 8:43am
Did you just come here to talk about me Resistance or discuss the News Item? Oh right, you just came to talk about me so once again the topic at hand can be what you want it to be... me not the News Item. Do you have anything to contribute to this News Item?
I thought not.
by tmccarthy0 on Wed, 03/20/2013 - 10:23am
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by Resistance on Thu, 03/21/2013 - 1:19am
Hey, watching "Pretty Little Liars" is time well spent.
by Aaron Carine on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 5:59pm
LOL.. nicely played!
by tmccarthy0 on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 8:33pm
WELL PUT!
by Richard Day on Wed, 03/20/2013 - 6:57pm