MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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By Becky Bratu, Kerry Sanders and Tom Winter, NBC News, April 19, 2013, 3am
Police, federal agents and even National Guardsmen descended on Boston suburb where there were reports of violence, gunshots and two loud booms Thursday night into early Friday morning — all following the fatal shooting of a Massachusetts Institute of Technology police officer.
The large law-enforcement presence gathered in Watertown, Mass, just a few miles from the shooting on MIT's Cambridge campus, where two men had reportedly shot at police officers.
The Watertown scene was marked by reports of rapid gunfire and explosions.
WNBC’s Jonathan Dienst said FBI and local police were looking for a connection between the Boston Marathon bombs and the incidents in Watertown and MIT. “Dozens and dozens” of federal agents had been dispatched to the crime scenes [.....]
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Boston Globe link to same story:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/18/mit-police-officer-hit-gunfi...
Note notice on top of their pages that they have turned off the paywall, that the site is "Currently Available to All Readers."
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 4:14am
Currently CNN TV says the "black hat" Marathon bombing suspect was shot and killed in Watertown this evening and the "white hat" suspect is still at large. There was another man, who was apprehended and taken into a police car naked (told to strip because of bombs being used;) he was actually just an innocent witness and has been released now after questioning. The police have formerly announced there is a "terrorist on the loose" in that Watertown area and call for people to stay in their homes and not to answer their door unless it is a clearly identified police officer.
[posted before the comment below--around 4:30--but edited afterwards for clarification, hence the later timestamp.)
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 5:12am
Streaming live coverage from WCVB/Channel 5 (ABC) in Boston
http://livewire.wcvb.com/Event/117th_Running_of_Boston_Marathon
I watched for a while, it was an emergency police press conference (not clear whether a repeat or live of the press conference.) What I heard confirmed everything I heard said on CNN in the comment above. In addition, I heard the officer warn motorists not to stop for anyone, and also that they had a video from late Thursday of the suspect who is still at large from a 7-11 in Cambridge, and described what he was wearing-a grey hoodie.
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 4:54am
I now read on Boston.com's slideshow captions that the police conference I was watching was Commissioner Edward Davis spoke during a media briefing in the parking lot of the Watertown Mall, photo credit: Associated Press:
Chaotic definitely appears to be an accurate headline word to use here.
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 5:38am
Continuing Tweets and photos from a guy stuck in his Watertown home very near the action:
https://twitter.com/AKitz
He is the same person I read quoted in several of the mainstream news pieces over an hour ago (before it was known for sure that this involved the Marathon suspects,) like this NYTimes report; the relevant graphs from the article:
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 5:29am
I have been following on Reddit and Boston Police scanner all night. They have been keeping the suspect in a perimeter and now that it is dawn are pulling together "less lethal shotguns" and starting to track.
Setting up a beanbag at a location, which I assume is for a marksman?
by erica20 on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 6:11am
http://tunein.com/radio/Boston-Police-Fire-and-EMS-Scanner-s146109/#
by erica20 on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 6:53am
Thanks, erica.
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 1:09pm
I have been watching all night the live feed from channel 7 in Boston. The feed is slowing down because people are now waking up and looking at the feed. http://www1.whdh.com/video/7newslive
by trkingmomoe on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 7:23am
Thanks for admitting that, momoe.
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 12:55pm
So much developing so fast, impossible to keep up. If Hollywood tried the story so far in a movie, many would criticize it as over the top, Incredible recent news conference with their uncle, just one example. This is just part of what I just saw played on CNN, can't find a longer clip right now.
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He also talked very passionately about most in the family being proud immigrants, mentioned the Chinese girl's death with great empathy, about their father working hard fixing cars....
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 12:31pm
more from the uncle's press conference--"...he put a shame on the entire family; he put a shame on the entire Chechen ethnicity...."
http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t1#/video/us/2013/04/19/nr-briefing-unc...
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 1:07pm
Here's another "incredible" example, from The Lede @ nytimes.com
11:37 A.M.Chechen Leader Notes Suspects Were Raised in U.S.
Responding to news that the two suspects in the Boston Marathon bombings were young Chechen refugees who had lived in the United States for several years, Chechnya’s president, Ramzan Kadyrov, turned to Instagram to defend the honor of his nation.
In a comment posted on his frequently updated account on the social network, Mr. Kadyrov said that any attempt to connect the act of terrorism to Chechnya would be “in vain.”
As the Guardian’s Moscow correspondent Miriam Elder notes, the former warlord argued that because the brothers “grew up in the United States, their views and beliefs were formed there.”
Mr. Kadyrov, who has been accused of using torture, kidnapping and murder to rule Chechnya, added: “It is necessary to seek the roots of evil in America.”
— Robert Mackey
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 12:53pm
Yep, the younger one lived there until 7 - older than the "give us your children til they're 5, they belong to us forewer" warning by Catholics.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 2:47pm
Friend: Suspect justified terrorism
Neighbor: Dzhokar was a 'lovely kid'
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 1:42pm
I just listened to this quickly--did Machado really say that he knew the identity of the guy in the FBI photos and didn't call in because he didn't want to throw his friend under the bus?
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by erica20 on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 2:11pm
That's the way I took it, but he also implied that in retrospect that was not a correct way to think.
I also saw another CNN interview with two school friends that I can't find on the site. They expressed shock and described being part of a motley rainbow crew of immigrant friends including a lot of different ethnicities that hung out together, and described him as one of the nicest and most supportive of that group of friends.
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 3:08pm
Good roundup of the info. known on the brothers' background so far:
Suspects described as brothers from Russian Caucasus
By Deborah Feyerick and Tom Watkins, CNN, uupdated 1:11 PM EDT, Fri April 19, 2013
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 1:41pm
Tamerlan must be evil - said our wars in Iraq & Afghanistan were "stupid". Obviously wanted to destroy our economy.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 2:22pm
The aunt who sponsored the boys' family to come to the U.S. was also just recently shown on TV talking to the press. I don't have time to find a video link, but it was fascinating because she seemed to be a true political refugee type, and she was suggesting that this must all be a government setup, that her nephews simply could not have done this. She implied that it's like dejas vus allover again for her, that she lived that way for many years in the old country/countries, knowing of others being set up by the government and fearing being set up oneself. She said the photos of the boys at the bombing must be faked and criticized the government for not taking her hotline call and information seriously enough. Her presentation was not extremely passionate or angry, much more controlled and analytical and gentle, than the uncle, expressing distress more than anything else. She really did appear to me to be someone with experience of government persecution.
CNN cut it off after a while, the anchor implying because of her conspiracy theorizing that she must have denial issues. But she seemed a highly intelligent and educated woman and even if having denial issues, it would have been interesting to hear more.
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 3:07pm
I think this is a good point AA. Many people from the former Soviet Union and satellite republics have lived under the foot of a corrupt, scheming government. It alters a person's thinking.
by erica20 on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 3:45pm
And I didn't necessarily get the feeling she was accusing the U.S. government of doing this, I should have made that more clear but it was a quickie comment before an appointment.
I took what she was saying more along the lines of "the F.B.I. hasn't a clue how nefarious the powers-that-be from where we come from can be." (And one does have to admit that if you're talking just about Chechnya vs. Russia, as a general statement, that would be an understatement.)
The reason I found it interesting is she implied she called the hotline and was sort of brushed off, maybe after a polite interview. If you look at this from U.S. law enforcement p.o.v., they're in the middle of an open crisis, and they hear from this aunt who says something like "listen, no chance my nephews are the real perps here, they were probably picked out as good dupes for a scheme by the **** gang, it's looks nearly exactly like the operation they did in Dagestan..." etc. And that's the last thing they want to deal with right now, they just want to get her remaining nephew off the street.
I suspect it's going to be very interesting what she says in the future, whether crazy in denail or not. She struck me as the type not to shy away from tussling with the KGB in the old days...the kind they would lock up in a mental institution because they couldn't handle her any other way.
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 6:08pm
Yes. In this context, "set up" may mean something different from what we'd think it means.
by erica20 on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 6:17pm
Of course, 'others' are always set-up by the government so why not your kin in Boston?
Whatever government wherever they are, regardless of the body count, the shootouts, the carjackings, the store robbery video, the bombs thrown out of their stolen vehicle.
Just good 'boys'. They never did nuthin', no how to nobody. Framed by the guv'ment. I would agree this woman is at the far fruitcake end of the denial of reality curve.
by NCD on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 4:07pm
It's more complex than that. She's from a very tribal place with bad, intrusive govt. Now she lives in Canada, where people tend (correctly perhaps) to have a less gung-ho view of the US govt than many Americans. Plus, if it's somebody in your family, you're bound to be thinking "There has to be an explanation for this."
And then, there's just the stereotype, perhaps somewhat culturally valid, that Russians are cranky and suspicious...especially about anything to do with govt.
As a not-very-good analogy, think about the computer guy who recently committed suicide (sorry, forget the name.) Depending on how you saw the situation, he was a hero, a danger to society, a misunderstood genius, or just a much-loved relative. I don't think you can expect relatives, especially at this point in the game, to have much by way of useful analysis.
by erica20 on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 4:31pm
CNN's website has a video clip from her statements up now, it's just a snippet, but gives an idea: of where she's at:
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 5:44pm
Aunt Maret Tsarnaeva interview, CBS:
Tamerlan married and had a 3-year-old daughter in the U.S., she said.
"He has a wife in Boston and from a Christian family, so you can't tie it to religion," she said.
But she said Tamerlan "seemingly did not find himself yet in America, because it's not easy."
Tamerlan wasn't a devout practicing Muslim, "but just recently, maybe two years ago, he started praying five times a day," she said....
I'll refer interpretation of the bold type to our resident Dag psychologists, AA/Erica.
Specifically what is 'it' and what can't you tie to 'it'? What does the wife being from a Christian family have to do with 'it'? Is this a valid defense of her nephews?
by NCD on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 6:26pm
NCD, do I detect a hint of archness there? :^) I probably deserve it.
Anyhoo, I'll jump in on this one--I think the "it" is violence toward Americans, and no, it's not a valid defense of her nephews. But he's married to a Christian!" has the ring of "...but some of my best friends are Black/Gay/Hispanic!" It was a moral flail--an attempt to use an exception to pretend that a rule doesn't exist. I think she knew it was BS when she said it.
by erica20 on Sat, 04/20/2013 - 12:22pm
Dad (now in Russia) suspects a frame job too:
Reading the whole thing highly recommended. And note this link there after the end of the transcript:
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 6:40pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 7:07pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 04/19/2013 - 8:17pm
We have seen Big Brother and he is us?
by artappraiser on Sat, 04/20/2013 - 9:56am