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    Mexican kids, world's luckiest!

    By jollyroger on Sun, 07/20/2014 - 3:55am |

    Mexican children, unlike their unfortunate neighbors from slightly to the south, are apparently to be envied for the secure and loving bosom  in which their enlightened country envelops them.

    Notwithstanding the depravity of Mexican narco traffickers, who will not hesitate to decorate the public square with the heads of those who discomfort them, no Mexican children are forcibly recruited as drug couriers, sellers, or lookouts, unlike those unfortunates in Honduras, El Salvador, or Guatemala.

    Despite a rather complaisant attitude towards the sexual exploitation of women, no Mexican girls are coerced into prostitution by local gangsters, with or without the cooperation of their relatives, who may be destitute but who are nonetheless motivated (by contrast with families in several Central American countries) to protect their young girls from these horrors.

    Thus, when in 2008 a government of the United States, moved by the plight  of children seeking asylum from the nightmare of Central American squalor fueled danger, wrote into law a number of safeguards directed at ensuring that no child apprehended by our border control system would be summarily returned to possible dismemberment, it behooved us to exempt from this protection children of Mexican nationality.

    Huh?

    Now, laboring under the inconvenience of the distinction wrought so recently by a compassionate congress (and that famously compassionate conservative bleeding heart, George W Bush) we have the obscenity introduced in both houses of congress called the HUMANE ACT.

    A famous Burns and Schreiber routine features a faith healer who tries to cure a "poor unfortunate" of the immobility that afflicts one of his hands. 'Oh Lord, make one hand like the other!'.  The Lord complies.

    Cuellar and Cornyn are a modern Burns and Schreiber, trying to make Central American kids as unprotected as Mexican kids.   What we should be doing is making Mexican kids as safe as Central American kids.

    The  Helping Unaccompanied Minors and Alleviating National Emergency ACT?.  It should be called the Judicially Undertaking Steps To Find Undocumented Captive Kids,and Encouraging Murder Act.

    Comments

    That's JUST FUCK'EM  for the acronymically challenged...


    by jollyroger on Sun, 07/20/2014 - 4:31am

    Curiously, the one Central American country from whom there is no flood of refugee children is Nicaragua, the one that had a successful revolution against the pervasive influence of our malevolent interference.


    by jollyroger on Sun, 07/20/2014 - 5:14am

    When I read some of the history to that area, I was surprised to find that Eisenhower was closely associated with United Fruit. Some of them worked in is administration. 

    Little Steven released a song in 1987 "Bitter Fruit," that was targeted at the Banana and Orange Company Chiquita, the successor to United Fruit..  I have always liked this song. 

      

    by trkingmomoe on Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:22am

    It's ironic how Eisenhower's reputation has profited from the contrast with the contents of the current Repugnant clown car.

     

    On the basis of the then prevailing marginal rates alone, he towers like a collussus.

     

    That said, he was, for sure, no liberator of Latin America.  If memory serves, he was Trujillo's goombah, to cite one caudillo among many.


    by jollyroger on Sun, 07/20/2014 - 1:49pm

    My parents were new deal Democrats but I do think they voted for Ike the first time.  Stalin was still alive then and many feared him.  They trusted Ike to keep them safe. I know he and many other notable Republicans at the time didn't like the John Burch Society. They always have been loons. I am glad my parents didn't live long enough to see how crazy the GOP is now.  


    by trkingmomoe on Sun, 07/20/2014 - 5:27pm

    My concern: If we help kids settle in the U.S., does it encourage other parents to send their kids on the same perilous journey?


    by Michael Wolraich on Mon, 07/21/2014 - 12:12pm

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/13/opinion/gergen-katz-border-crisis-safe-zones/


    by Ramona on Mon, 07/21/2014 - 12:57pm

    Interesting. I like that he's thinking out of the box, but I imagine that UN troops are much better at keeping out organized militias than criminal gangs. Still, if the "safe zones" were at least safer than the slums, it would be an improvement.


    by Michael Wolraich on Mon, 07/21/2014 - 1:26pm

    They are going to send them regardless because they are desperate. It is going to take years to root out the gangs and change the culture. Many of these children will return later as adults.  

    I think the changes that has happen in my life time to Mexico has been because of migration to and from the US.  

    The elephant in this room is our war on drugs.  We need to rethink that.


    by trkingmomoe on Mon, 07/21/2014 - 4:48pm

    To second Moemoe's point, it's more of a push than a pull motivation going on--witness the absence o Nicaraguan kids, altho it's as poor or poorer than the three countries at issue,'

    Put simply, we are not looking to "settle" all the kids here--some will doublless fail to prove up a case for asylum, loathsome though their home country conditions may be, and they will be returned.

    We are arguing only for due process, not for blanket asylum .

    That said, surely we would rather err on the side of caution than on the side of a rush to judgement.


    by jollyroger on Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:22pm

    the absence o Nicaraguan kids,

    Why is that ?


    by Resistance on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 3:07am

    Sandinistas


    by jollyroger on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 3:45am

    Could you expound a little more.

    For a long time I have felt the problem in Latin America, was because of the politicalization of the Churches. It was the Catholic clergy, that told the parishioners from the pulpit, who  to vote and support... Rebels, who later came to power and ruined the countries. While the Christ was warning the rulers of their pending doom, the clergy was in bed with the politicians.   

     


    by Resistance on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 9:21am

    Unlike Hondouras, Guatamela and El Salvador, in Nicaragua there was a successful revolution based upon socialist principles, taking its name from *Sandino, hence "Sandinistas"

     

    *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_C%C3%A9sar_Sandino

     

    You will recall the criminal gangs known as "Contras" who were favored by Reagan with illegal arms purchased with the money that Oliver North skimmed off of weapons sales to the Iranians,  (post Shah).

     

    Although we vigorously supported the contras, nonethelss the FSLN, which currently holds power in Nicaragua, was able to triumph, and thus instead of a failed, narco-terrorist state, it has (relatively, this is, after all, Central America) a government that provides enough security that children are not threatened with the casual violence that pervades the other three countries.

     

    New York City, today, benefits indirectly from the Sandinista struggle.  Mayor Bill De Blasio spent several years in Nicaragua with the Sandinistas helping to build their revolution.

     

    Parenthetically, if what you refer to as the pernicious influence of the Catholic Church is meant to embrace "liberation theoloty", you are confused as to the merits.  The Church,indeed, has supported many corrupt Latin American regimes, but the priests who threw in with the rebels were heroes for the people.


    by jollyroger on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:59pm

    Thanks for the elucidation.  


    by Resistance on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 1:11pm

    When I was in high school, I had a friend who was a refugee from Nicaragua during the time that the Contras were fighting the Sandinistas. He was a little less charitable towards them. His version of events was that, before the Contras came the Sandinistas required that you adhere to their party line and if you did not, you could end up being tortured. Unfortunately, the Contras made the situation worse, because if you did adhere to the Sandinistas' party line the Contras would torture you, and if you did not, the Sandinistas would torture you. He described finding his teacher hung up by his fingernails (presumably as a warning to the students) - I believe the Contras were responsible for it in that particular case.


    by Verified Atheist on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 4:42pm

    Reminds me of the torture inflicted on the people, during the many Inquisitions. 


    by Resistance on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 5:42pm

    I am utterly dependent upon (at best) the accounts of others vis-a-vis the Nicaraguan struggle.  I will say that you can tell a lot about a political movement from the opposition it evokes, in this case Reagan, et al.  Also, the same impulses that led to the US funding of the Contras are institutionalized at the School of the Americas, at Fort Benning, Georgia, from which successive cadres of torturers were inflicted upon Nicaragua and the rest of Latin America.


    by jollyroger on Fri, 08/01/2014 - 5:59pm

    "Motherfuckers, feed my sheep"...

     

    This message, written in fiery sky writing, has mysteriously appeared over the town of Murietta and sundry other nominally Christian venues.  It's origin, and the identity of the speaker, remain unclear at the moment.  Stay tuned for further developments.


    by jollyroger on Wed, 07/23/2014 - 10:43pm

    The crazy righties are making all the political hay they can right now.  Perry has called up Texas NG to help at the border.  Only to spin it like they are going to chase kids away with threatening posture on the border. Perry is feeding the stupid with BS.  The truth is he is not authorized to do that, it falls under Federal jurisdiction.  He can only call them up in a state emergency and humanitarian reasons.  They are actually going to be on the border to help gather up the kids and to work with the Federal Border Patrol.and the Federal Gov. is footing the bill. He just signed the authorization to use them. It is very hot now.  It puts more all terrain vehicles  and eyes in isolated areas.  There is a large membership in Texas NG that is Hispanic that is bilingual and they aren't going to harm those kids but help them.  The UN has declared them refugees and they are protected by the Geneva Code. 

    All this nasty mean BS is going to blow up in the GOP's face. It is already helped Crist in Florida push up his poling numbers the last 2 weeks.  Pundits are scratching their heads over his 5 to 7 point gain after being in a toss up all summer with Scott.  They can't figure out what just happened the last few weeks to cause that.  Duh...30% of the voters in Florida are Hispanic. Beating up on desperate children is not going to gain much love for the GOP.  

     


    by trkingmomoe on Thu, 07/24/2014 - 11:29am

    Feed MY sheep, as opposed to someone else sheep? 

     but m you do not believe because you are not among my sheep.27 nMy sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.

    John 10:26-27


    by resistance1 (not verified) on Tue, 07/29/2014 - 8:19pm

    I'll see your John 10:26 and raise you Jorma 1:41

     

    You've got your gospel, I've got mine...


    by jollyroger on Wed, 07/30/2014 - 5:41am

    If your interpretation of Scripture is that only believers are worthy of compassion, then you would have the a Good Samaritan keep on walking when he saw a stranger in need?


    by rmrd0000 on Wed, 07/30/2014 - 8:05am

    Not to mention that I'd wager that most of the immigrants are more faithful Christians than most American citizens.


    by Verified Atheist on Wed, 07/30/2014 - 9:18am

    "The Lord is my d shepherd; I shall not e want."

    Psalm 23:1 

    Time to expose the false shepherds (churches) that failed to feed their sheep?  

    These false shepherds; who now burden others, with the duty to care for their mislead flock. All the while these false shepherds fleeced their own sheep and now they would fleece others who now have to care for the false churches flock. While the false shepherds boast and make claims, of being in Union with the Lord.

    By their fruitage you discern who is true or false. 

    It is not this countries responsibility,  to support or protect those who would support these false shepherds.

    Back charge the churches for their mishandling, of the “feed my sheep” charge. Don't ask Caesar or John Q public to pick up the tab and the false shepherds, keep the riches they have already fleeced.  


    by Resistance on Wed, 07/30/2014 - 2:27pm

    How does one differentiate the Christian who quotes Scripture while turning their back to those in need from the people said Christian would label heathens?

    Answer: you know them by their works, there is no difference between the two people.

    Go back and read the full context of the verses you quote from John. Jesus says that he can be identified by his works. Abandoning children is a work that defines a belief system.

    Edit to ad:

    it is likely that many "heathens" would demonstrate more compassion than the self-labeled "Christian"


    by rmrd0000 on Wed, 07/30/2014 - 3:00pm

    "Abandoning children is a work that defines a belief system."

    The abandonment, is by the parents who had the responsibility to care, for those they conceived and brought into the world.  Sending their children on a perilous journey, outside of the clearly stated godly command  "parents care for YOUR children". 

    No one asked nor was Uncle Sam consulted prior to conception?  

    Maybe the Pope or other heads of religious order, will care for their sheep and not expect others outside the church, to assume the responsibility clearly placed upon the parents? 

     


    by Resistance on Wed, 07/30/2014 - 3:36pm

    I am going to end the communication here. You have confirmed my suspicions. 

    Mark 10:14 Suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not, for of such is the kingdom of God.15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. 16 And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.

    Mt 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. 

    Mt 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. 

    Mt 18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

    Mr 9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. 

    Lu 17:2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. 

    Christians do not deny children the chance to be exposed to Christian love.


    by rmrd0000 on Wed, 07/30/2014 - 4:03pm

    You have confirmed my suspicions. 

    You have no clue

    Mt 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me,

    Mr 9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me,

    Would you now claim God was unrighteous, when he destroyed the all the inhabitants children  of Sodom except for a few; who listened and obeyed; Or consider the Great Deluge where only (8) souls survived, because they listened and obeyed  the Truth and not to false shepherds or teachers.

    In both situations it was the parents that were held responsible for the plight of THEIR children . 

    "Christians do not deny children the chance to be exposed to Christian love"

    I suggest you read the book of Job and learn a thing or two, before declaring who is righteous or not. 

    Christian families stay together through the trials and tribulations, so that the children are raised in THE WAY and learn that the Lord does provide. Good Christian parents don't send their kids on perilous journeys and expect others, to take on the responsibility,

    Nor does Caesar care to take on the responsibility, Send the bill to the Churches

    Yours; since your so willing to bear the burden. 

    I do as commanded,

    James 1:27

    27 Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this:  s to visit t orphans and widows in their affliction, and u to keep oneself v unstained from the world.

    You wish to add your own thoughts to the scripture; of what is righteous?  

     


    by Resistance on Wed, 07/30/2014 - 7:29pm

    I believe that all kids are my kids.. YMMV Funny how you verified the categorical joke in the cited Burns and Schreiber routine (on which you appear to have neglected to click) To quote: "Until Castro is out, Jesus don't cure sp*c one..."

    by jollyroger on Wed, 07/30/2014 - 7:32pm

    Mathew 5:44 commands that you do good even to those who hate you . Turning away from children in need is not a given instruction.


    by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 07/30/2014 - 9:12pm

    Evidently you don’t know the will of God?  

    It is not Gods will; that his people get saddled with caring for the world’s poor or hungry.   

    2 Corinthians 4:3-4

    3 And even dif our gospel is veiled, eit is veiled to fthose who are perishing. 4 In their case gthe god of this world dhas blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing hthe light of ithe gospel of the glory of Christ, jwho is the image of God.

    Satan, the ruler of this world, would love to tie down Jesus’ sheep, caring for Satan’s victims and supporters.

    Matthew 6:33

    33 But n seek first o the kingdom of God and his righteousness, p and all these things will be added to you.

    Matthew 6:30-32

    30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you,kO you of little faith? 31 Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 Forlthe Gentiles seek after all these things, and myour heavenly Father knows that you need them all.

    Again I’ll repeat

    "The Lord is my d shepherd; I shall not e want."

    Psalm 23:1 

    Jesus does care for his own sheep and Satan will saddle everyone else with the burden, from his misrule, the very reason we pray the Lords prayer “Let your kingdom come” 


    by Resistance on Wed, 07/30/2014 - 10:07pm

    So you willingly choose to ignore Mathew 5:44 to serve your own desires?

    Fortunately Christians are heeding the call to serve.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/24/us/us-religious-leaders-embrace-cause-...


    by rmrd0000 on Wed, 07/30/2014 - 10:20pm

    Rethinking my position

    Let there be due process as Jolly has stated. 

    If it is Gods will  it will succeed. 


    by Resistance on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 3:32am

    The success of God's plan to aid these children depends on the actions of the United States. He delivered the children to our border. Christians are responding to his plan and offering Sid.Governor Duval Patrick cited his faith as the reason he was offering shelter to some of the children, You turn your back.

    The narcoterrorist gangs in a South America exist to feed the drug habit in our country. If the United States was not the customer for South American drugs, the South American countries would default to other crops. The United States is part and parcel of the reason the children had to flee.

    You deny these children the benefit of Christian love when faced with the chance to help. You openly state that you are willing to let them fall into the hands of Satan. You then complain that they remain in the dark. They are in the dark because you had the chance to provide light and you refused. You create the people who fall into despair and then blame them for not following a better path. You claim this is God's will while openly admitting your inaction is the reason that the children are left to their own defenses.

    God requires man to do his works on earth.  You stand mute.


    by rmrd0000 on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 8:21am

    Your Christian message is:

    "I got mine, you got your's to get".

    If that is what you believe is the message Jesus came to give,  how does it differ from what we would expect from Satan?


    by rmrd0000 on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 8:26am

    More strawman arguments so that you can boast about your mission? 

    God requires man to do his works on earth.

    What? Who is .... his?

    Jesus said he came to do the will of his father, and (it wasn't to feed the worlds poor and hungry, nor did he saddle his disciples with that work.    

    People around the world are suffering under Satan's system.  Christ was sent to Earth, to teach and find the lost sheep, not to feed and care for all the hungry and poor, He taught his disciples, to preach about the Kingdom that would eliminate hunger, pain and death.

    Sheep and Goats 

    Preach and separate the sheep from the goats, and Jesus promises to  provide for the sheep his disciples have helped gather in .

    You goats  Go back to your god and see if he'll care and feed you.    

    Those who listen and obey, come under the protective wing of God and they become his people and will receive blessings of sustenance and covering because of their faith. 

    Jesus isn't supporting Satans programs, for feeding the hungry; because of his (Satans) poor ruler ship ,

    Jesus personally cares for his own sheep.  

    Stop with your insults of turning my back,

    If these immigrants are of Jesus flock  I will care and feed his sheep.

    Have arrangements been made, to separate the thousands who have come?

    Jolly is correct about due process and it may very well be the way, to separate the sheep from the goats.   

    No one is stopping you nor anyone else from sacrificing to the nations under Satans control. Nations full of woes because they listen to the wrong shepherd 


    by Resistance on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:18am

    Man, you've got one messed up theology. Re-read that bit about Sheep and Goats from Matthew 25:34-40:

    34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

    37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

    40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’


    by Verified Atheist on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:22am

    the least of these brothers and sisters of mine.

    You are sadly misinformed as are others and this idea stems from  false teachings, 

    Matthew 7:22-23

    22 sOn that day tmany will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we notuprophesy in your name, and cast out demons vin your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 tAnd then will I declare to them, ‘I wnever knew you; xdepart from me, yyou workers of lawlessness.’

    VA: "Sure you do Jesus, they're your brothers and sisters"  

    Today some would say "When did we scoff and ridicule you, and he says to them; this is how you treated those. whom I sent to you with truth, to set matters straight  about the Kingdom,  but you rejected the message, just as your forefathers had, because it went contrary to what you wanted to believe and were  taught by your teachers to reject . 


    by Resistance on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 1:21pm

    This response has nothing to do with what VA presented. You reject the Scripture regarding treatment of strangers. You are making up your own religion. You accuse others of being misled while you dispute the teaching to treat strangers with kindness. 


    by rmrd0000 on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 1:28pm

    I answered your question about the strangers.
    I have never promoted treating anyone with disrespect, those BAD thoughts originate from your mind.

    I will not spread a table for those who worship other Gods;  I will not seek to do them harm either, 


    by Resistance on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 1:42pm

    Would you now claim that God was unrighteous...?

     

    You bet your filthy Yahwist ass I would--what kind of public relations firm brags about how their client is a motherfuckin' war criminal?

    Yahweh is nothing but a stinking gangster extortionist, if his PR (the Bible) is to be believed.

    Starting with the ball busting he lays on Abraham (kill the kid, or it's your ass...) and from then on, it's one piece of ego mania after another. (no gods before me, if you know what's good for you)


    by jollyroger on Wed, 07/30/2014 - 9:32pm

    Is this how you respect the potter?  

    When you become a creator  you can run things your way, for your delight.  


    by Resistance on Wed, 07/30/2014 - 10:21pm

    Huh?

    What the fuck does this mean?  "the potter?"..am I missing something here about kilns and glaze and ovens?


    by jollyroger on Wed, 07/30/2014 - 10:22pm

    It's from Jeremiah 18. I won't go into detail except to suggest that using this Scripture in light  of the comments you made to poke at Resistance is essentially word salad as a response.


    by rmrd0000 on Wed, 07/30/2014 - 11:34pm

    I have been heard to quip that the difference between a Socialist and a capitalist is that a socialist can't feel rich if anyone is poor, and a capitalist can't feel rich if no one is poor.

     

    To riff off of that, the difference between  a  Christian and Resistance is that the Christian can't feel saved if anyone is damned, and Resistance can't feel saved if no one is damned...


    by jollyroger on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:03am

    . 


    by Resistance on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 2:58am

     "But who are you, O man, a to answer back to God? b Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 c Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump d one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? .......... Romans 9:20-23

    Isaiah 29:16

    16  aYou turn things upside down!

    Shall the potter be regarded as the clay,

    that the thing made should say of its maker,

    “He did not make me”;

    or the thing formed say of him who formed it,

    “He has no understanding”?


    by Resistance on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 1:53am

    Got it, Old Testament bullshit.  Thanks for the elucidation.

     

    Edit to add: And Pauline garbage, worse than Old Testament bullshit


    by jollyroger on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 2:15am

    Hey Jolly, it's encouraging to see you finally figure this whole thing out, about Resistance not 'zactly being what many Christians would think a Christian. No slur intended, just an I.D. thing. The constant focus on the O.T. was always the big giveaway..

    Next up: I always thought that too often you seem to lump all Yahwehists together, and would get more bang for your buck if you didn't.. For example, the early Christian rulebook always sounded pretty socialist to me. ...


    by artappraiser on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:13pm

    A more insightful version ,  http://www.esvbible.org/Acts+2%3A41-47/  


    by Resistance on Fri, 08/01/2014 - 6:49am

    Hi, there, DoubleA.  Hope things go well with you. (BTW, I am in exile near by, in Kingsbridge Heights, if you are free sometime for a drink).

     

    I'm pretty picky about my scripture (as you have noted)  Even in the New Testament, I'm more or less a sermon on the mount christian, (as they say).

     

    So, Acts is not high on my list of authorities.  OTOH, both Matthew and Luke agree on "sell all you have, etc.", which makes it extra special primo authoritative.

     

    I will note in passing that, oddly, Resistance eschews King James, which is to deprive oneself of some of the best literature in the language.

     

    Also, may I take this opportunity to offer my most profound apoogies, of the sincerest possible sort, for foolishly (when actually quoting the Jefferson Airplane...) riling up Resistance, who had not been heard from for awhile...


    by jollyroger on Fri, 08/01/2014 - 5:41pm

    It was the “ MF feed my people” that annoyed me

    Your “Feed my sheep” comment is one of the most abused scriptures, the Rulers and the supporters of this world, want to impose upon Gods chosen, who are busily searching out those who want to enter the NEW ARK.  1 John 2:15-17


    by Resistance on Tue, 08/05/2014 - 6:37pm

    See reply below


    by rmrd0000 on Tue, 08/05/2014 - 6:54pm

    See ***, below

    by jollyroger on Tue, 08/05/2014 - 7:19pm

    Response to Resistance from above.

    VA provided a response from Mathew above treatment of foreigners Here is another.

    Leviticus 19:34King James Version (KJV)

    34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.


    by rmrd0000 on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:49am

    The stranger had to conform to the Mosaic law. The stranger could not bow or serve their false gods and idols. 

    The stranger had to observe and obey all the commandments placed upon the entire nation  

    If they obeyed the law, it was acceptable, as though the stranger was born amongst you.

    Edit to add and correct your false charges 

    I answered your question about the strangers.
    I have never promoted, treating anyone with disrespect. Those BAD thoughts originate from your mind.

    I will not spread a table for those who worship other Gods;  I will not seek to do them harm either. 


    by Resistance on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 1:47pm

    Turning your back on them is an an act of disrespect. Not feeding or housing then is an act is an act of disrespect. 

    Are you saying that if they are Catholic, they are the Pope's problem and Christians should do nothing?

    If they were Muslim, would you turn your back and still call yourself a Christian?


    by rmrd0000 on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 2:03pm

    You are unreasonable.


    by Resistance on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 4:19pm

    I'm unreasonable?!

    Your posts proudly state that God wants Christians to behave in a loving and charitable fashion only towards other Christians. Before we help children in need , we need to make sure that they are Christian. You posted Scripture snippets to support your beliefs and ignored those that talked of Christian responsibility to strangers.

    Your argument was the equivalent of saying that if we see a child drowning and have swimming skills, we should first verify that the child is a Christian before acting. If the child isn't a Christian and drowns while we stand on the shore, we can say it was God's will, for surely the Christian child would have been miraculously lifted out of the water. Christian children of Christian parents do not suffer and would not be in dire straights to begin with. That is the message your words sent. If the children are suffering it is because of the religious shortcomings of their parents. 

    The Catholic child requires our action, the Muslim child requires our action, the atheist child requires our action. We are God's agents on earth.

    If I'm unreasonable, I am glad that I have not fallen victim to your reasons for turning away from strangers' children who are in need.

    Why do you turn away from the Catholic child or the Muslim child?


    by rmrd0000 on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 4:37pm

    Are you saying that if they are Catholic, they are the Pope's problem 

    The Church for centuries, raided and pillaged the Nations,

    Could one expect that maybe the Catholic Church could tear down a few of their Golden idols and help their sheep? 

    I, on the other hand, despite your many venomous and hurtful mis-attributions; have helped many in my household, relatives, including strangers, who are Catholic,

    I have also assisted them in finding the Good Shepherd,  who really cares for his flock; so they would no longer give their treasures, gifts  and sacrifices to a church, with less than exemplary, Christian conduct. The Church sitting as a queen; exercising great authority, over many, including governments.

    Maybe the Pope could sell all the fine things the church has acquired and help the needy, As I and other Christians have. 

    Our Lord, would be surprised to see, how well others live, while his sheep suffer.

     


    by Resistance on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 6:36pm

    So you retract your statements that Christians have no duty to serve those children showing up at our border?


    by rmrd0000 on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 6:34pm

    Knowing how slyly you twist words I would have to ask;  what duty and service, you are trying to trick the Nation into performing, to satisfy your expectations so that you can judge us?  


    by Resistance on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 6:44pm

    There is no twisting of words.

    Do Christians have a responsibility to provide she left, food, and clothing to the children showing up on our southern border given that they are running from gang violence?

    Do Christians have a moral responsibility to encourage our politicians to care for the children?


    by rmrd0000 on Thu, 07/31/2014 - 7:49pm

    Neither "undocumented" nor "illegal".

     

    It is worth noting that theee refugee children break no law in presenting themselves at our border to the first government official available (be it Border Control or National Guardsman) and they are immediately "documented" as an application for refugee status, ie, a document, is generated by this enco0unter.

     

    Jus'' sayin'.


    by jollyroger on Tue, 08/05/2014 - 2:14pm

    ***

     

    Well, we DO live and learn...

     

    After  a bit of research, I discover that the song, which I naively attributed directly to *Jorma Kaukonnen was in fact, a very old hymn, the text of which I reproduce in full here:

    If you want to get to heaven

    ... Over on, the other shore

    Stay out of the way of the blood-stained bandit —

    Oh good shepherd,

    Feed my sheep.

    One for Paul, one for Silas ...

    One for to make, my heart rejoice.

    Can't you hear, my lambs acallin'?

    Oh good shepherd,

    Feed my sheep.

     

    As for the "editorial" salutation which I inserted, it was the expression of annoyance that my cousin (with whom, as I have previously mentioned, I speak frequently over the skypedelic chat line).  Cousin Josh(ua ben Yussuf) had remarked "verily (he loves to throw around the verilies) these zenophobic, no charity-showin' low life mothafucka's (he's gotten into the rap vernacular of late) are startin' to wear me out!

     

    I must confess that I thought it rather an unexceptionable sentiment as applied to refugee children

     

     

     


    by jollyroger on Tue, 08/05/2014 - 7:37pm

    Resistance,

    Once again you Present Scripture in a manner that comes across as word salad. It doe not specific give a rational for ignoring children in need, l

    Show us specific Scripture that justifies not giving aid, comfort, and Christian love to children in need. Thank for you attention to this matter.


    by rmrd0000 on Tue, 08/05/2014 - 7:40pm

    Give to whatever cause you please 

    I have never advocated not helping those in need.  

    My purse hasn't enough, to care for all the worlds poor. If yours does, then by all means give.

    I agree with the scriptures admonition 

      [8] But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for [l]members of his household, he has [m]denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

    (1 Timothy 5:8 ESV)

    =======================================================

    [l] See Gal. 6:10

    [m] Rev. 2:13; [2 Tim. 3:5; Titus 1:16; 2 Pet. 2:1; Rev. 3:8]

    I also care for widows and orphans 

    Galatians 6:10

    10 So then, gas we have opportunity, let us hdo good to everyone, and especially to those who are iof the household of faith. 

    (My spiritual brothers and sisters)

    Give to whoever rmrd. 


    by Resistance on Wed, 08/06/2014 - 4:49am

    So you cannot find Scripture that justifies ignoring and not aiding the children presenting at our border?


    by rmrd0000 on Wed, 08/06/2014 - 7:44am

    As you cannot find a scripture that says the governing authority of United States must be ignored or that Christians should meddle and tear down it's established laws that govern border protection or immigration laws.  

    Romans 13:1-2

    Submission to the Authorities

    13 "Let every person p be subject to the governing authorities. For q there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment."

    There are no restrictions on yours or anyone else, to give or minister to those in foreign lands. 

    But look at who it is, that is ignoring their sheep.  

    Over the centuries, billions of dollars used for purchasing indulgences have been paid to obtain relief from imaginary sufferings in Purgatory's fire.

    What about the relief for the living? 

    People in foreign lands, now have to flee governments that may very well have been installed and supported by the church. Because the Church tried to establish the Kingdom, Jesus told the religious leaders of his day, when he stated ,he was not establishing until the end of the appointed time.

    The churches meddled and now we see the results?  It would not be the first time the Church supported evil men and people had to flee. 

    Now you would make it the United States citizens burden, who wants their laws, impartially applied, when people present at our border?

    Your choice of words always leads to entrapment, so that you can appear as the Superfine apostle.  

    If I understand your term ignoring 

    Next I suppose the accusation will be made, we allowed 50 thousand ( + ) Latin Americans to enter this country and now the people of Gaza, might claim partiality if we do not accept 50 thousand + of their citizens? Do you wish to ignore the accusation? 

    Like I stated earlier, your thoughts on this matter, are unreasonable. and are only a short fix.

    As conditions on the Earth worsen, the flood of people escaping the doom will become an insurmountable problem.   


    by Resistance on Wed, 08/06/2014 - 4:46pm

    the current process of dealing with unaccompanied children from countries other than Mexico was set by the Bush administration, according to Dara Lind at Vox. Under the law, the Border Patrol agency is required to take in these children, screen and vaccinate them, then turn them over to the Department of Health of Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR). The ORR assigns children to shelters until the agency can identify sponsors and once children are placed with sponsors, their cases work their way through the immigration court. Earlier this month, Jonathan Ryan, an attorney with the immigration advocacy group RAICES, told ThinkProgress that the Bush administration “changed the treatment of how kids go through immigration court.” Ryan added that the law was a “recognition of the need to protect these kids and at the time, the need was the war that’s pushing kids out of Central America.”

    None of Caesar's laws are being broken.

    http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2014/06/20/3450988/republicans-unac...


    by rmrd0000 on Wed, 08/06/2014 - 5:43pm

    Theactual operation of the deportation mill, so typical of Obama.  Hypocrisy, lip service to due process, but an agenda that utterly subverts the law.

     

    Why did we ever believe that this scumbag corporatist would be a peoples' president?

     

     


    by jollyroger on Wed, 08/06/2014 - 12:47pm

    It brings tears to the eye to see these little shoes. 

    Revelation 21:4

    4 h He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and  i death shall be no more,  j neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”


    by Resistance on Wed, 08/06/2014 - 4:57pm

    (iopencrotchgrab) Hey, Jesus, I gotcher sufferin' little kids right here! (closecrotchgrab)

     

    "The daughter was gang raped"

     

     


    by jollyroger on Fri, 08/08/2014 - 8:28pm