MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE by Michael Wolraich Order today at Barnes & Noble / Amazon / Books-A-Million / Bookshop |
Andy Shallal gets right to the point: Which table would you rather serve — a party of four black women, or four white men in suits and ties?
“And be honest,” he says.
The room goes silent as the eight new hires at Busboys and Poets, the Washington, D.C., restaurant-and-bookstore chain Shallal founded in 2005, look down at the table. This wasn’t employee orientation anyone expected.
This. Is. Awesome.
Comments
Andy ran for the Democratic nomination for DC mayor a few years ago. Related to one of his comments in the article, during the campaign he'd talk about how everywhere he went people would ask him "what are you?" Very sharp, likeable and successful guy. Busboys and Poets sells books and hosts speakers on controversial issues, too. One that I went to not too long ago was on gentrification in DC, a hot topic these days.
by AmericanDreamer on Fri, 05/18/2018 - 3:26pm
Very interesting! I wonder what, if any, backlash the business (and he) receives for the progressive stances.
by barefooted on Fri, 05/18/2018 - 9:51pm
“Many people are absolutely petrified of discussing race. White people are afraid of coming across as racist, and people of color are worried about being the target of racism or being seen as too angry or too militant.”
And yet when we discuss, I'm not sure we change any minds or approaches. Ok, maybe in a situational setting like tips and waitering they find new ways, but when discussing race issues, I'm not sure we ever really move from our positions on the stump. A lot of info and ideas go by, but what conclusions or beliefs are different in the end? Just a thought.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 05/19/2018 - 1:58am
There are different experiences among the tribes. When the Parkland and Texas school shooters were taken alive, you knew they were white. When a guy suspected of breaking car windows was shoot multiple times, you knew that he was black. On a daily basis, we hear of whites calling the police because blacks are merely existing. Police were called when blacks sat in Starbucks. had a cookout in Oakland, Left and Airbnb, moved into their apartment in NYC, and were surveying property as a real estate agent. These stories are internalized because they are important for black survival. They are not stories that reach the radar most whites.
Republican Senator Tim Scott was stopped seven times in one year for driving while black in South Carolina. Even Conservative Bernice King realizes the nonsense of phrases like identity politics
https://mobile.twitter.com/BerniceKing?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Different experiences among tribes leads to different solutions.
Edit to add:
For blacks race is a daily lived experience, not a news stories alone.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 05/19/2018 - 9:47am
"They are not stories that reach the radar most whites." - but I think that's bullshit - I don't think I'm the only one horrified enough to post on unnecessary police brutality against blacks. Not that white grannies and white 14-year-olds aren't getting some of this treatment, but not in the same numbers. "Driving while Black" or "Breathing while Black" aren't concepts that say most whites have trouble understanding, even if they might add some other perspectives.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 05/19/2018 - 11:15am
I didn’t think it bullshit. Drug use among whites is viewed as an epidemic worthy of pity. Drug use among blacks is a crime. Juries rarely convict police officer who abuse or kill black citizens. If society as a whole cared, there would be a more universal effort to change things.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 05/19/2018 - 11:25am
What's not on everyone's radar? Just repeating more issues dealt with blacks doesn't answer the question. We know about excessive black incarceration and use of force, police abuse of blacks, profiling, drug problems in black communities, gerrymandering, discrimination in promotion, etc. So how is it not on whites' radar?
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 05/19/2018 - 1:20pm
The majority of white voters cast votes for an obvious racist for President. Juries do not convict abusive police. If it is on their radar, it is given low priority.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 05/19/2018 - 1:51pm
More mixing apples and oranges - hard to hold a discussion like this. "Juries" do not reflect the average white American - they're often selected by the defendants (in this case abusive police) to be sympathetic to cops, and obviously in this case their lawyers will try to eliminate blacks from the jury.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 05/19/2018 - 2:12pm
It is not apples and oranges. It is part of the collective experience of blacks. The differences in how the judicial system treats blacks. Jury willingness to imprison Blacks is inseparable from tendencies to vote for Republicans who are willing to support racist policies. It is all part and parcel of a white supremacist system. We have daily stories of whites calling police because they fear black bodies. Police are viewed as part of a discriminatory system. Prosecutors, judges, and juries are included as part of the same ideology. Presidential decisions are also emblematic of the same system. Not apples and oranges, just apples.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 05/19/2018 - 2:29pm
No, if I see a stranger carrying boxes out of a residential house in the day, having been broken into before during the day, I may call the police, especially if I don't feel comfortable confronting them. This is the part of Trayvon that got short shrift from 1 side, whereas the dark Indian man walking on the sidewalk in Alabama did 0 to arouse suspicion and the woman who reported him lied about him peering into garages. Yes, difference in race increases suspicion, and I'm sure some black homeowners wondered a few times what the hell I was doing in their neighborhood, but calling the police to check me out would have been unwise for them and I'm sure they knew it (though the police made sure to stop my wife and tell her to get thw hell out a dodgy black neighborhood).
The makeup of juries is prone to heavy selection distortion, something like the most gerrymandered voting districts (for one, poorer less educated people are less likely to get off jury duty.) Whites voting for Trump *may* be racist, but they may simply be sick of unchecked immigration and liberals have trouble accepting their valid concerns. This has little to do with stop-and-frisk or redlining or whatever in terms of harrassing, tasering, choking and killing blacks beyond what any violations if they occurred might justify.
Anyway, we already talk past each other enough. No need for round 389.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 05/19/2018 - 4:43pm
The article to which I linked, rm, is about finding and implementing new ways to communicate with and expand our approaches to each other - specifically, in this case, on the job. In what way does your comment address that?
by barefooted on Sat, 05/19/2018 - 2:30pm
I’ll let you guys talk and agree among yourselves.
Edit to add:
I would suspect that if there are honest discussions about race, some of the points that I make are addressed.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 05/19/2018 - 2:41pm
I would suspect the same. I'd suspect that other points of view from other paths walked are addressed as well.
by barefooted on Sat, 05/19/2018 - 2:48pm
Because of the levels of various types of, in this case, racial segregation common in the US, even the possibilities of people of different tribes potentially interacting in benign or more positive ways are reduced.
It isn't that when black and white people are in one another's presence the birds sing, the sun peeks out from behind the clouds, and the universe is in harmony. Doh. But where there is minimal or no even potentially benign cross-racial interaction, the very possibilities for developing tolerance, at least, as a starting point, over time in what is typically an extended process, are diminished. Even the possibility of chipping away at invidious stereotypes and prejudices through relatively benign if not better interaction is reduced. Exclusive tribal tendencies can be reinforced or even just not seriously challenged, which itself is highly toxic and as rmdr0000 notes can be fatal.
This is the cancer of high degrees of segregation in a diverse society. If there are instances of diverse societies that have not had tensions or far worse owing in part to exclusionary tribal tendencies, none come readily to mind.
There is a body of social science research called contact theory. It identifies micro conditions under which cross-racial contact can lead to improved race relations rather than the opposite.
My experiences suggest that it is almost never the case that persuasion occurs overtly and in the moment. The persuaded person who acknowledges they have been persuaded in the moment (perhaps more so where there are males involved--there may well be gender differences in this area) can experience this as something of an acknowledgement of a kind of defeat. Which is unfortunate but sometimes a reality.
Of course, unless they tell you later on, you never know whether and, if so, how, points made during an attempted overt persuasion encounter register and trigger thought, reconsideration of previously held views, etc. Clearly there are exceptions.
The potential the Shallal style group interracial staff discussions has that intrigues me is not the possibility of overt, publicly acknowledged, in the moment persuasion on matters of belief. It is the experience of actually being in the presence of a diverse group civilly discussing and listening to one another on these issues.
It's more that experience, alien to many people in segregated societies, rather than overt in the moment persuasion of one person by another on a matter of self-conscious belief, that may have beneficial effects.
Especially if it is not a one off experiences but is part of a workplace or other institutional culture, deliberately cultivated because running counter to dominant day to day realities in a multi-tribal community or society.
These are just my observations, not attributing them to Shallal or authors of works on tribalism I have mentioned.
by AmericanDreamer on Sat, 05/19/2018 - 10:14am
The potential the Shallal style group interracial staff discussions has that intrigues me is not the possibility of overt, publicly acknowledged, in the moment persuasion on matters of belief. It is the experience of actually being in the presence of a diverse group civilly discussing and listening to one another on these issues.
Very well put, Dreamer, and exactly the sort of comment that fits the topic of the article and ensuing thread. Thank you for that.
by barefooted on Sat, 05/19/2018 - 2:19pm
Dreamer hits on this, I think. It's not just about having a discussion, it's how we have it. And with whom. If we're truly honest with each other, face to face and respectfully, is the end game to change minds/approaches or to put something else into the mix for further thought by at least some of the people involved? Seems to me the intent of the conversation has to be to expand rather than convert.
by barefooted on Sat, 05/19/2018 - 2:26pm
"We can't avoid the subject of race because we're never able to leave it behind", Courtland Milloy opinion piece, WaPo May 15: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/05/21/want-to...
by AmericanDreamer on Mon, 05/21/2018 - 10:46am
People want to think that things have improved regarding race. This despite the GOP and the Klan working hard to roll back the clock. Blacks focus on race because it is a survival mechanism. You have to realize what is going on.
The data on the impact of racism on birth statics in the black community is chilling
NYT
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/11/magazine/black-mothers-babies-death-maternal-mortality.html
NPR
https://www.npr.org/2017/12/07/568948782/black-mothers-keep-dying-after-giving-birth-shalon-irvings-story-explains-why
Edit to add:
Corrected link to the WaPo article
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/we-cant-avoid-the-subject-of-race-because-were-never-able-to-leave-it-behind/2018/05/15/9bbf6a46-5541-11e8-9c91-7dab596e8252_story.html?utm_term=.25ed848cc4ce
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 05/21/2018 - 11:26am
Yes, chilling indeed.
Thanks for your links and for correcting mine. (I thought as well about posting the one I actually ended up posting.)
by AmericanDreamer on Mon, 05/21/2018 - 3:20pm
If you are black and not focused on race, you are brain dead.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 05/21/2018 - 3:25pm
MSNBC will host a townhall on Everyday Racism in America on Tuesday May 29th. This is the day Starbucks closes its stores to have sensitivity training. Perhaps some functional ideas will be expressed during the two hour event.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/msnbc-presents-town-hall-event-everyday-racism-america
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 05/21/2018 - 10:48pm