MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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CLEVELAND -- In light of President Donald Trump uninviting the 2018 Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles to the White House, LeBron James said neither his Cleveland Cavaliers nor the Golden State Warriors would accept a visit as a winner of the NBA Finals.
"I know no matter who wins this series, no one wants an invite anyway. It won't be Cleveland or Golden State going," James said during an off-day news conference on Tuesday.
Trump rescinded the Eagles' invitation to the White House on Monday after learning that many of the players did not plan on attending. ESPN's Adam Schefter previously reported that "a large group of Eagles players had decided not to attend, including most -- if not all -- of the black players." The NFL Network reported that fewer than 10 players were expected to attend.
James was very vocal when the 2017 champion Warriors were uninvited to a possible trip to the White House by Trump. A three-time Finals MVP, James described Trump's rescinding of an invite to the Eagles as "typical of him."
"As long as he's in office, then the communication and things like that are going to continue to happen," James said about Trump. "It's a lot of things that we believe in as Americans that we don't feel that he's for. There are a lot of people that believe that he's not for the people or doing things that's right by the people.
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Marc J. Spears, ESPN.com.
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by AmericanDreamer on Wed, 06/06/2018 - 9:56am
Howard. Bryant’s book “The Heritage Black Athletes, a Divided America, and the Politics of Patriotism” reminds us of the political activism of black athletes.
https://www.amazon.com/Heritage-Athletes-Divided-Politics-Patriotism-ebook/dp/B076GM8FXC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1528294381&sr=8-1&keywords=the+heritage+howard+bryant
Jackie Robinson was not silent on the issue of race. Ali, Jim Brown, etc were outspoken. There is a long tradition of athlete-activists.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/06/2018 - 10:34am
Thanks. Also Etan Thomas' 2018 book of interviews, We Matter: Athletes and Activism
by AmericanDreamer on Wed, 06/06/2018 - 11:44am
Thank goodness for the Kindle app.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/06/2018 - 12:22pm
Malcolm Jenkins of the Philadelphia Eagles used posters to get his protest message across.
https://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/malcolm-jenkins-you-arent-listening-silent-interview-is-1826616536
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 06/07/2018 - 8:07am
Saw that. Jenkins is one of a great many players, in many sports, walking the walk, doing necessary and giving things. As John Lewis might say, he is one of those making good trouble, necessary trouble, knowingly incurring the wrath of many while doing a great deal of good in his community.
I wonder if our Ignoramus in Chief even knew, when he disinvited the Eagles, that none of them, at any point last season, kneeled during the national anthem. That question pretty much answers itself.
by AmericanDreamer on Thu, 06/07/2018 - 10:14am
Trump and his supporters are not very bright. Trump thought that Canadians set fire to the White House in 1812. He also thought that Frederick Douglass was still alive.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 06/07/2018 - 10:37am
I respectfully disagree that it is either true, or advisable, to offer blanket characterizations of Trump supporters as not very bright. I referred to Trump as our Ignoramus in Chief, thinking it justified because I believe he actually is an ignoramus, who happens to be in the position he is.
Many Trump 2016 voters, however, have what I believe are legitimate grievances, shared with many progressives, about this economy and illegal immigration, for starters.
Perhaps if progressives are able to demonstrate (at the levels of what candidates are saying publicly and in direct FTF engagement with citizens, and citizen-to-citizen discussions about public affairs) that we are listening, want to, and do, understand those grievances, and offer responsive proposals to address what is legitimate about them, we will be able to win some 2016 Trump voters over going forward. Of course, this needs to be a two-way street. It requires Trump voters willing to try to entertain the concept that some of what they current believe about "Democrats" or "progressives" or other despised others may not be entirely accurate. (A sincere attempt to understand, at any rate, was what Arlie Hochschild made and wrote up in Strangers in Their Own Land.)
All the while not backing away one inch from calling out racist, sexist, and other misanthropic behaviors and public policies, and organizing to change public policies, day-to-day environments and practices of institutions, etc. for the better.
I don't believe it is acceptable to kowtow or be quiet about racist and sexist behaviors and public policies in the course of "chasing" Trump voters with concerns shared by many progressives on issues such as the economy and immigration policies and practices. I hope not only progressives, but all decent and caring citizens, will reject such a false choice. We do not have to choose between race, gender, and economic justice. We must pursue each of these.
But don't take my word for any of the above. You have recently cited Reverend William J. Barber as someone you admire greatly. In his book The Third Reconstruction, he recounts some early lessons he learned. Writing of a failed union drive in Martinsville, Virginia in chapter 2, he reaffirms his belief in the justness of the cause, of the end, while on his account learning valuable lessons about how to achieve them, the means (p. 28):
And what was the internal barrier Barber concluded he needed to overcome? Mistrust of white people. Grounded in an incident that occurred when he was 12. He visited the home of his uncle who had married a white woman in eastern North Carolina and looked on with him at night at a fiery cross illuminating a small crowd of men outside the window. Of this, he writes (p. 25):
I don't believe it will be possible to make headway against economic injustice (injustices against women of all skin colors and males of color, in addition to white males), reduce inequality, and more broadly address deep and dangerous shortcomings in the way this economy is experienced by so many in our society, absent the ramping up of cross-racial, cross-ethnic, cross-gender coalitions which are committed to doing so at local, state and national levels. As I interpret it, this is one central component of Barber's project, as well as that of others in our society.
It is not comforting (although paradoxically, it is also source of hope) to me to believe, as I do, that among those whose support for such an effort is necessary are some who voted for Trump in 2016. One of the implications of this conclusion for me is to try to refrain from broad brush negative comments about all Trump 2016 voters, however tempting this is at times. It is very tempting at times, because some of what we see is so repugnant and unacceptable. I probably have failed to check myself at times.
As to Trump himself, and other miscreants in his Administration, Congress and the media, that is another matter.
And, again, to reinforce, because I am at pains to try to avoid being misheard or misinterpreted on making such a statement as I did above re Trump voters which likely will trigger strong disapproval or disagreement from some reading, possibly including you: I am not in any way suggesting support for suppression or withholding of criticism of specific racist and sexist behaviors, from whatever source, in the name of trying to create, develop or grow such a coalition(s)
Apologies in advance if I am attaching far too much, or just too much, significance to this particular comment about Trump supporters and it is not reflective of your view.
by AmericanDreamer on Fri, 06/08/2018 - 12:50pm
Well said! I'm with you 100%. I suspect a couple of others here are too, who have tried similar objections but not as eloquent as yours.
I especially like this
I don't believe it will be possible to make headway against economic injustice (injustices against women of all skin colors and males of color, in addition to white males), reduce inequality, and more broadly address deep and dangerous shortcomings in the way this economy is experienced by so many in our society, absent the ramping up of cross-racial, cross-ethnic, cross-gender coalitions which are committed to doing so at local, state and national levels.
It is what all democracy is about (only difference in a parliamentary system is that the set up is to do some of this after the election)
on this
if I am attaching far too much, or just too much, significance to this particular comment about Trump supporters and it is not reflective of your view.
I don't think you are attaching too much to it because after others have pointed it out to him and have long discussions about it, and he keeps doing it or at the very least slipping into it. It's almost like rmrd is looking for acolytes who will say "amen", not like it's a slip of the tongue. From his overall comments over time, it seems to be fed by an emotional passion that says: tempering on this does no good, be in their face with the anger and frustration.
I'll go this one point further: to me, doing that over and over stokes the divisiveness and tribalism and feeds the Trump troll, effects what Trump likes to see, culture wars. I think it's real important to point that out to people who do it publicly on the net. A couple steps further and you've got civil war. I've gotten to the point in the last year or so where I've felt it necessary to say rmrd seems to be arguing along the lines of old time "separate but equal". And he still doesn't adjust his rhetoric, or does so momentarily and then returns to it in short order. I try to let it go thinking: maybe in his heart he likes having Trump to stoke divisiveness and tribalism and wants to see another civil war.
by artappraiser on Fri, 06/08/2018 - 1:38pm
P.S. Comes to mind that I've always thought it extremely counterproductive if you care about political results to publicly label a whole group of voters as stupid or another slur of some sort like "racist". Imagine a political candidate saying: you're stupid! so now vote for me! I felt exactly the same way during the Bush years. What we say publicly in forums on the net has an effect. Even if the venue appears to be small in participation, if it's not private you don't know how many people are lurking. You don't know how many people are googling and find what you said years down the road as proof that "liberals are actually very illiberal". Etc.
Just because pollsters and politicos place people in tribes analyzing results after election does not mean those tribes are set in stone, just the opposite: the idea is to use that information to form new coalitions. The more valuable analysis gets into labeling for details of policy preference like "soccer mom" and "black suburban mom" and "white suburban mom" rather than blunt ones of color of skin.
Then there's also that demographics change, i.e., talk about our census no longer having the proper categories for race anymore shouldn't be tossed aside as meaning nothing for future elections. I dare say demographics in quite a few areas are changing right now due to strict enforcement against illegal immigration! And in places where opiate addiction is rampant, once voters are probably not going to make it to the polls if they are not dead or burying someone! Millennials raised in conservative Christian homes are not continuing to attend the same churches. Etc. Our culture is not set in stone, it is continually changing. It happens on a micro-level, once gerrymandered, neighborhoods change, people move in and out....
Furthermore: The Trump advisors built a coalition that managed to win by micro-targeting. Putting everyone into black and white terms, racially or metaphorically, to feed your passions about tribe is a losing game.
by artappraiser on Fri, 06/08/2018 - 2:03pm
This is a blog, not a national column. I have a big enough ego, but little national impact.
After Trump won, Obama wondered if white people just wanted to fall back into their tribe.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/in-new-book-obama-wonders-if-we-were-wrong-after-trumps-election/
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 06/08/2018 - 3:28pm
From his overall comments over time, it seems to be fed by an emotional passion that says: tempering on this does no good, be in their face with the anger and frustration.
From his perspective, as a black man in today's world, can you honestly blame him? And if you can, do you have a better solution, as a white woman, than he does? I don't. Like you and others, I become frustrated when constantly hit in the face with his repetition and links ad nauseam, comments that turn any subject matter into a seemingly racial catastrophe and statements that are written as drumbeats rather that comments. (Please hear this, rm.) But, but, but ... he is doing what he needs to do in the way he needs to do it where he can. He doesn't back down no matter what we all say and how long/often we say it. We deride him for that, yet do we fault others for standing their ground on issues that we find more appealing and less aggravating? He believes - no, he knows - that his life is at stake every day, as is the life of every person of color (funny how it used to be colored people) in this country and others. I admire him (please hear this, too, rm) even as I try to understand where he's coming from, because he keeps explaining it over and over and over again and it's driving me nuts. Maybe that's the point; and maybe that's what we need.
by barefooted on Sat, 06/09/2018 - 9:46pm
Thx barefooted. I think I understand your frustration. My responses serve to help explain to myself what I see going on. I have tried to tone down my posts. I attempt to express why Insee things differently than many people at dagblog. When the election was followed by Democrats yelling about identity politics, I was pissed off. It was another case of blacks being blamed for a loss. I don’t see the Trump deplorables as redeemable. That opinion does not stop me from having discussions with Conservatives. The ones I talk too seem to be in denial. Trump is flawed, but he did get court appointments. They have no problem dismissing Trump’ racism and bigotry. I don’t press the issue. There are no yelling patches. On a personal level my opinion of Conservatives is as low as whale feces.
I am told that I should not label Trump supporters as deplorable because we need their votes. I follow 538, and I see Trump’s approval rating increase. This happened despite Russiagate, Stormy, attacking allies, daily lies, etc. I get yelled at for calling out deplorables. I then ask what message they think the Democrats need to send to win over Trump supporters.There is silence. Then I get yelled at again. The Democrats have worked to save Obamacare, Block voter suppression, and expose immigrant children being held in cages. People still ask what is the message.
Trump left the G7 meeting with a speech praising Putin and Kim while calling allies thieves. Trump thinks that Canadians burned down the White House in 1812, years before Canada became a country. How can I not think people are stupid. These ignorant fools stood in silence because the guy who thought Canadians burned down the White House told them that Obama wasn’t born in the United States.
In order to survive, you had better be aware of what police department is the latest to abuse black people. What store did it’s best to embarrass a black person, what is the bigot in the White House saying. The Eagles are aware of life in the United States. Steph Curry and LeBron James understand Trump. NFL players were objecting to police killing and abusing unarmed black people. Trump wants the players to give him names of people they want pardoned. Trump is a bigot, he can’t change. Trump supporters are probably praising Trump for reaching out his hand in friendship. We are in different tribes. After Trump was elected, Obama wondered if whites wanted to stay in their own tribe.
The stories may seem repetitive. The stories are repetitive. That repetition is the point.
If you want me to change my opinion, get police to behave better. Get white folks to stop calling the police on blacks just living their lives.
Edit to add:
... and tell me your magic message that will convert Trump supporters into Democratic voters.
Note: This is addressed to those who argue that we need to do outreach
2nd Edit to add:
The protest in the NFL is about police abuse. It is not the players fault that the President and his supporters are not bright enough to realize that fact.
https://journalisms.theroot.com/is-the-president-aware-that-taking-the-knee-is-about-po-1826697485
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 06/10/2018 - 5:11am
Been through this before. In face to face encounters, I argue the facts. I do not name-call. What I find is that Trump supporters do believe that the Deep State is out to get Trump. They are willing to overlook Trump’s racism and misogyny. They are willing to overlook comments like NFL players are SOBs and shithole countries. They deny climate science. I was These we’re not the facts, but they are other ethnic groups with identical economic concerns reject Trump’s outlandish comments. I make efforts to point out my concerns to Trump supporters, in my opinion do not change. Trump’s approval numbers remain in the 40s.
I am sure that you and AA are working hard to change minds. We all use every opportunity we have. I see hope in the fact that the Democratic Party has flipped over 40 seats from red to blue since Trump’s election. I hope Democrats win big in the midterms. I think that we will still see Trump approval numbers in the 40s. This is a blog, not a national news column, I don’t see my comments pushing the approval numbers in any direction.
I work with Trump supporters and I work with Democratic leaning supporters. No yelling matches. Much private frustration. I am hopeful that things will shift following the midterms. I see little to indicate a big shift in Trump supporters.
Here is what Barber says to Evangelicals who pray with Trump. He politely calls them Heretics
https://thinkprogress.org/an-open-letter-to-clergy-who-prayed-with-trump-7876ee87dbc2/
Barber call out so-called White Evangelicals by name
http://progressive.org/magazine/William-J-Barber-II-Responds-to-the-Call-of-the-Moment-an-interview/
Martin Luther King openly scorned White moderates in his day
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/01/15/martin-luther-king-jr-s-scathing-critique-of-white-moderates-from-the-birmingham-jail/?utm_term=.d71d248a7b97
MLK said that white men of good conscience could not vote for Barry Goldwater
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/this-mlk-quote-sums-up-the-rise-of-white-supremacy-post-trump_us_5875426de4b099cdb1000431
Here is what King said about the Republican Party
King was very direct
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 06/08/2018 - 3:10pm
Thank you for your response, which is helpful to me in understanding your perspective. A few reactions:
You mention that what you find is "Trump supporters do believe the Deep State is out to get Trump." AA referred in her comment to micro-targeting the Republicans have successfully used to get votes. Why shouldn't Democrats do likewise, instead of projecting that experiences they have with Trump voters are reflective of a universal tendency?
I am not advocating that people support today's Republican party. What I am interested in is persuading some who are voting Republican, are independent or are not voting at all, very possibly in some cases in part because they are not hearing in what many Democrats are saying an agenda responsive to their economic concerns, to vote for candidates who are supporting a responsive progressive economic agenda. Micro-targeting may be able to help with with the challenging task of identifying individuals with whom such an approach might work, and reaching out to them with a message there is reason to believe they might view as responsive.
Perhaps you have specific information on this point but I would be surprised if Barber, knowing of individuals or organizations of white evangelicals who are supportive of a progressive economic agenda, and who are not promoting regressive policies or practices on race or gender, would reject collaboration on specific campaigns.
If you are a black pastor supporting or running, say, a unionization campaign, and an organization or individual with whom you are not in agreement on some issues (and when is that ever not the case?), but so far as you are able to determine does not discriminate on the basis of race, ethnicity or sex, do you reject such an opportunity? What would be your litmus test for deciding whether, not to endorse their organization, but to agree to work with them for specific objectives on a specific campaign where you appear to have shared interests, as best you are able to determine?
I mean, if the KKK offers to join you in some unionization campaign, I take it the answer would be no way. But what if the group has not engaged in wrong behaviors on the basis of race, ethnicity, gender, but neither has it publicly denounced Trump's outrageous statements and actions? Would you work with such a group? Or would the group publicly denouncing Trump's statements and actions (which ones? all of them? how is it practically possible to keep track of all of them, while still doing one's work and attending to one's life?) be a condition for your working with them on that campaign?
Also, what do you mean by a "white moderate" today, in the post Jim Crow era? Or do you not believe this term has meaning and relevance today?
by AmericanDreamer on Fri, 06/08/2018 - 4:25pm
If White Evangelicals decide that keeping immigrant children in cages is immoral and want to join the fight, I will have no problem. Obviously, if they call out Trump’s racist statement s, I’m there. The problem so far has been that they give Trump a mulligan. I think the people who come before the cameras as white Evangelicals siding with Trump,are too far gone to be capable of forming coalitions. There are white Liberal Christian Evangelicals like Jim Wallis who are already marching with Barber.
The white moderates today would be a significant segment of Trump voters. The white Evangelicals are a subset. They are willing to overlook Trump’s racism. Paul Ryan is not going to directly challenge Trump on issues of race, neither will McConnell. On the Democratic side, you have people like Merkley bringing direct attention to the caging of immigrant children.
I don’t see the rational Trump voter. The is noe cause for ripping children from their mothers no matter your economic anxiety. There was no reason for Jim Crow. There was no reason for Japanese internment. While I don’t excuse the Trump supporters, I do see the Parkland kids who will spend time trying to get young people to vote in the midterms. I remain hopeful.
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 06/08/2018 - 5:12pm
First, I am not talking about statements made about elected officials. I am talking about blanket characterizations of groups of citizens based on for whom they voted. I take it we are trying to get votes of enough citizens, not serving elected officials, to win elections.
Republicans have probably won elections they "should" have lost partly on account of microtargeting (and perhaps, arguably, to greater attention to non-issue stance factors impacting voters' choices). Microtargeting is grounded in the reality that voter issue stances do not correlate with voter votes in anything like a 1:1 manner corresponding to the official party ideologies and issue stances. Which issue stance impacts a voter's decision, and how, is viewed as a matter for attempted research, to inform the approach to persuasion, rather than assumptions, hope, or someone's notion of rationality.
Japanese internment was a decision made by Franklin Roosevelt's Democratic administration. Should citizen supporters of the New Deal (and for the sake of discussion let's imagine a case where the New Deal did not have to be racially discriminatory in order to garner enough votes to pass Congress, and was not racially discriminatory) have voted for his Republican opponent on that basis? If a citizen generally very supportive of the New Deal and most Roosevelt initiatives believed that supporting a congressional censure resolution for the internment decision could tip the next election to Roosevelt's Republican opponent, with whom she disagreed on most issues, should she do so? I can easily imagine two citizens, each of whom supported the New Deal and opposed the internment decision, making reasonable opposite decisions on a question such as that.
by AmericanDreamer on Fri, 06/08/2018 - 6:12pm
Trump has the support of 87% of Republican voters.
https://qz.com/1295674/donald-trump-now-owns-the-republican-party/
It is is hard to separate the GOP from Trump
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/02/07/trump-is-the-republican-party-and-the-party-is-trump/?utm_term=.6e510e2e343a
I view Trump and the GOP as a single entity.
Just like John Boehner
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/31/politics/john-boehner-republican-party/index.html
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 06/08/2018 - 6:45pm
The New Deal question is interesting. Roosevelt did move to improve conditions for blacks. Blacks of the time probably threw the interned Japanese under the bus.
http://www.pbs.org/tpt/slavery-by-another-name/themes/fdr/
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 06/08/2018 - 6:53pm
Given the time, with a push to prove that you were patriotic and for black respect ability at the time, Improbably would have shoved them under the bus. In 2018, I’d be criticizing that action.
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 06/08/2018 - 7:01pm
Thank you for the reply.
The point of coalition politics, of the sort Barber has been working to build in North Carolina, is for the groups making it up not to throw one another under the bus.
Barber was elected state chair of North Carolina's chapter of the NAACP. He traveled all around the state. Among his conclusions (p.48-54):
"..we needed something more--a coalition that extended beyond the base of the NAACP to include others who were concerned about justice and the good of the whole. The advancement of colored people had to be central..but the NAACP's own history showed us that black folk can never move forward by ourselves. We had to find a way to stand with others, acknowledging their connections with us and their issues. Dr. King had understood this...
Thinking about the people I'd met across the state, I started to sketch a list of fourteen justice tribes in North Carolina...
Our new coalition partners decided to call a major teach-in and a march for citizens...declaring it North Carolina's first People's Assembly...we came up with a fourteen-point agenda...
(Several steps later)
Because our agenda was comprehensive, covering fourteen issue areas where we could move forward together with specific action steps, many asked us in the weeks following our assembly.."Which issues are your priority for this session? What do you want to achieve first?"
We explained that, for us, every issue was equally important....we knew our history. The power of the abolitionist movement through the nineteenth century, the fusionist movement in the post-Reconstructionist era, and the civil rights movement in the mid-twentieth century was always the same: a diverse coalition of people with a shared moral concern, refusing to be divided by fear or intimidation..."
(End of quote)
I'll offer an unsolicited suggestion, meant as a friendly one: consider giving attention and support on issues in addition to race on occasion. If the only issues you care about are racial issues that probably will not help. I am guessing that is not the case. But you may need or want to demonstrate this.
Re coalition politics and coalitions, many challenges go along with such an approach. If there is success enough putting together a coalition that can command the attention of a legislature you can know in advance that members of legislatures will seek to weaken, divide, or destroy the coalition by accepting only some among the demands (more or less inevitable in the normal workings of legislatures anyway) which can easily result in coalition groups in conflict with one another over whose issues are getting early traction and the most attention.
The way to keep the coalition together in order to continue pressing ahead on remaining issues is for coalition members to not throw one another under the bus, but rather to stick together and continue to press for all issues the coalition is committed to advancing.
That requires the development of some measure of trust and where it occurs will also build trust. It is not easy to do, among other reasons because people are people. If anyone suggested that any of this is easy, they were mistaken. Nevertheless, it can be done and has been done.
by AmericanDreamer on Sun, 06/10/2018 - 1:07am
Barber’s coalition is a thing of beauty, as was that of Dr. King. The Parkland kids set a modern example of white Progressives realizing the need to reach out to ethnic minorities. That outreach was not the message that was sent out by some Progressives after the 2016 election. The message was that “identity politics” was bad. Bernie Sanders carried this message. Sanders is now marching with BlackLivesMatter. Coalitions are important. When black women activists wrote a letter to the DNC demanding more black women in seats of power in the organization, many Progressives were not happy. The DNC had to be dragged into creating a coalition. Sanders had to be dragged into creating a coalition.
https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/1/8/16849720/black-voters-women-midterm-2018
Black women are running for office and having success. Stacey Abrams made history by being the first black woman to win the election for Governor of won of the two major parties. Her opponent ran a campaign focused on winning over Republican voters.Here is Abrams on how she ran her campaign.
https://www.democracynow.org/2018/6/4/meet_stacey_abrams_democrat_who_could
I agree with Abrams. I don’t see many Republicans becoming Democrats. I believe in coalitions, I don’t think Republicans believe in coalitions.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 06/10/2018 - 4:59am
Re: I do not name-call.
On that I want to precisely repeat what American Dreamer challenged you on, upthread, this single comment:
Trump and his supporters are not very bright. Trump thought that Canadians set fire to the White House in 1812. He also thought that Frederick Douglass was still alive.
But in the recent past, Kanye West thinks slavery is a choice and you don't call him "not very bright" you said his problem was that he doesn't read books. (I did call him stupid, I admit it! I have no qualms about calling individual rich celebrities names, you see. Who I don't like to see called names is tribes, I like to see groups practice tolerance)
If you think people should be tested on American history before they can vote or hold office, say so. But don't expect you won't be slammed for doing that by small d democrats. Its offensive. Its offensive to see it applied if you have friends or family who are not highly educated or even illiterate.
I think that would probably leave a lot of black voters as well as Trump voters and Kanye West without voting rights and without rights to run for office.It is precisely the reason for the old fight against poll testing.
It all depends on what you are educated about. What you are criticizing here, this is not about brightness or intellect, it is about education. I know one attorney who thinks dinosaurs and humans walked together on the earth.
The main point that should go over all of this: most believers in democracy believe in one person, one vote, even if you are illiterate! That's what it's all about. You may have to win a lot of uneducated voters over and voters with emotional prejudices and various hatreds, that's part of the democracy thing, it's also part of the danger of populism thing.
Our system is actually set up so that minority rights (including minority tribes, to be blunt) are protected by the courts, not by the other two branches. If you're not with the majority, you: go to the courts, or you play culture wars with the uneducated smarter than the other guy and change things that way. Or you get in line and form coalitions with other minorities or the majority! Electorally, the only way is to: forge a majority somehow, that's democracy. Minorities who disagree are out of luck. But you continually harp on the "black" minority, whoever still feels they have percent enough blackness to still call themselves that rather than "mixed", as if sticking together against everyone else and waiting for everyone else to give in and come and please this minority tribe and apologize for all past sins is going to work.
Actually calling people not bright like you did, what that does: feeds the "liberal elites" meme that helped Trump win, that feeds the populist reaction worldwide.. Make no mistake that it is a very popular meme, worldwide. They are sick and tired of being treated like they are stupid by elites. It's also a very popular meme among all colors of underclass that liberal elite politicos are only out to serve themselves and their friends. That the very same disdain and look down upon the under-educated. Those are the tribes I think American Dreamer is rightly more concerned about. Oceankat, too, with the false narratives thing.
Frankly, folllowing your comments for a long time, you don't seem to care a wit about any underclass. Just skin color uber alles, as if there were no rich people with dark skin and poor people with dark skin have nothing in common with poor people with white skin. And your rhetoric mainly sounds like you went to sleep around 1979 and just woke up.
by artappraiser on Fri, 06/08/2018 - 7:27pm
I said that in face to face discussions I do not name all. You know that. Let me be very clear, I think that Kanye West is stupid. Trump supporters have a vote Kanye West has a vote. I argue for getting out the vote to counter those votes. You createa strawman argument like you always do.
This is a blog. I am free to express my opinion. I have no impact on anyone else’s vote. None. Zero. In face to face discussions, I do note name call. I present facts about why saying that the Mueller is run by Democrats is not factual. I ask if Comey was in Hillary’s pocket, why did he make comments about her email server just before the election.
You were the one who provided a link to a WaPo book review that says Trump can energize his base by making racist and bigoted statements. The more I see your arguments, the more I feel justified in my position.
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 06/08/2018 - 8:55pm
Trump has the support of the majority of Republican voters
They are not complying about his racism
They are not complaining about children locked in cages in any significant way.
They support Trump over everything
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 06/08/2018 - 8:58pm
It's not about whether the republican base is bright or not or whether they do or do not have legitimate grievances. I believe the democrats are already doing all the things you suggest but they aren't being heard by a significant minority of republicans. The reason is that group have attached them selves to false narratives.
Let's talk about illegal immigration though I could do this with virtually every republican talking point for hteir base. The car industry and other high paying industries didn't fail because of illegal immigration. Those workers didn't lose their jobs because Ford and Chevrolet were replacing them with illegals. Illegals were taking the lowest of the low employment that most Americans didn't want. A case can perhaps be made that the poorest of the poor are in competition with illegals but not the workers in the industrial mid-west and in rust belt towns. How do you communicate with people who engage in a false narrative that scapegoats the illegal immigrant?
They go from scapegoating the illegal immigrant to demanding a wall on the border as the solution to their incorrect definition of the problem. I'm against the wall because it would be an environmental diaster. Not just the wall itself but the miles of road that would need to be built to move heavy duty trucks and equipment. It would be a permanent scar on the land subdividing territories many animals need for their survival. But even if one didn't care about that environmental destruction the wall would be a 25 billion dollar boondoggle that would have negligible effects on illegal immigration. So now we have a group that has a false narrative to diagnose their problems that advocates a solution that will not work. What message do democrats need to send to change these people's minds and votes? Because they don't seem open to reason to me.
by ocean-kat on Fri, 06/08/2018 - 3:21pm
Thanks. You expressed it better than I did. There is an entire Conservative media network feeding false narratives. Some Conservatives may come to their senses, but the Democrats have a better shot at winning by energizing their base and the voters who stayed at home in 2016.
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 06/08/2018 - 3:28pm
AmDreamer,
I know you are a WaPo follower. In case you didn't happen to catch this related op-ed yesterday:
How to slice, dice and make nice with the Trump coalition
Carlos Lozada · Opinions · Jun 7, 2018
These in the recent past also caught my eye:
The Trump coalition is the future of the GOP
Gary Abernathy · May 25, 2018
Steve Bannon’s clever idea to save the GOP from brutal midterms
Fareed Zakaria · Editorial-Opinion · Jun 1, 2018
by artappraiser on Fri, 06/08/2018 - 5:13pm
Here is the final paragraph of the book review in your first link
We are supposed to reach out to people who Trump’s embrace racist and bigoted statements. What are we supposed to say to these folks?
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 06/08/2018 - 5:58pm
Thank you for these links.
by AmericanDreamer on Fri, 06/08/2018 - 6:36pm