MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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by artappraiser on Sat, 08/03/2019 - 6:13pm
Gov. of California:
by artappraiser on Sat, 08/03/2019 - 6:15pm
by artappraiser on Sat, 08/03/2019 - 6:21pm
Manifesto posted, "hispanic invasion" mentioned, "being examined by FBI":
"That manifesto, which has been seen by Heavy.com but not verified as belonging to the suspect, makes negative references to Hispanic immigration into the U.S.. It criticizes both major political parties in the U.S., but the writer stresses that he supports some in the Republican Party in terms of immigration policies. The writer also makes reference to alleged Christchurch mosque shooter."
by NCD on Sat, 08/03/2019 - 6:27pm
by artappraiser on Sat, 08/03/2019 - 7:02pm
Max Boot retweeted this; it's by a Texan professor of American cultural history:
by artappraiser on Sat, 08/03/2019 - 8:02pm
by artappraiser on Sat, 08/03/2019 - 8:06pm
I checked; Trump so far has tweeted a couple of appropriate comments on Texas. BUT in doing so I note with great interest that Aug. 1 he retweeted this video by this self-described "Brexit bitch" complaining about "Merkl's migrants" committing several horrific public crimes lately and how Angela never asked them if they wanted to let those migrants in. She does Trump waaay waaay better than Trump does, sounds totally rational. I think it's important to listen to stuff like this to understand that those who are sympathetic are not always falling for Trump, that others are pushing this kind of anger and fear about criminal immigrants much more eloquently:
Seems to me that ramping up the immigration issue among the passionate about it on either side just goes round and round with whatabboutism....ends up an argument about which side(s) have the worst and the most terrorists. Outrage all round ending up in a zero sum game.
How about just being against terrorists of all kinds? Anyone think that a better idea?
by artappraiser on Sat, 08/03/2019 - 8:38pm
link is to "live updates"
by artappraiser on Sat, 08/03/2019 - 6:43pm
lines to donate blood:
by artappraiser on Sat, 08/03/2019 - 7:04pm
Wondering if there is a Democrat, with good bodyguards, who will say:
"Trump wants blood in the streets. Yes, he wants it. That's why he inflames hate. Demagogues use violence to increase their power, suspend laws and civil rights, attack opponents and incite their base."
by NCD on Sat, 08/03/2019 - 8:24pm
Trump is a white nationalist. He has no empathy in cases like this. Republicans will still support Trump and block gun legislation. We heard the call between Reagan and Nixon. We saw Barry Goldwater. We heard Sarah Palin. We hear Donald Trump. This is the GOP.
This is not the fault of Kaepernick kneeling or anything the so-called Squad said. Republicans are proud to have a white nationalist lead their party. We have to vote them out.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 08/03/2019 - 8:51pm
'They can't get affirmation for their ridiculous conspiracies and hideous prejudices from mainstream sources and decent citizens, so they have to follow him around like dogs. They are filled with hate for anyone not on the leash, which is the vast majority of their fellow Americans.
Remember that Trump is such pitifully weak leader that he needs Twitter and hateful rallies to soothe his thin-skinned ego. The props and staging only make him look strong to the already lost. For everyone else, he's just a conman treading water before impeachment, prison, and bankruptcy. Yes, he's got an arsenal for promoting indecency, lies, and obstructing the rule of law (e.g., right-wing media, Barr, the Senate, and too many horrible judges). But dammit, this is still America. We are multitudes. We will not cower. We will not cave. He will be defeated in 2020 to join the ignoble ranks of David Duke, George Wallace, and Andrew Johnson. And We the People will demand a reckoning to ensure our Constitution is never again used as toilet paper under a demagogue's shoe.'
a comment recently at wash post
by NCD on Sat, 08/03/2019 - 10:48pm
We can no longer appease these people. We have to name them. They imagined a war on Christmas. Then transgender bathrooms were a treat. Then came the Deep State. They created QAnon. Now they are railing about the Squad. Republicans are truly deplorable. They do not believe that the rest of the country has the right to exist. Republicans have to be labeled as the evil they represent.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 08/03/2019 - 11:15pm
Here's George P. Bush, a Republican like the rest of his family as far as I know:
by artappraiser on Sat, 08/03/2019 - 11:41pm
Rod Rosenstein:
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/04/2019 - 4:13pm
More Rod Rosenstein, going out of his way to do a cheerleading thing for Mulvaney's anti-white-supremacy talking points:
What I surmise here: Rosenstein sees a need to encourage the anti-white-terrorism talking points writers in the administration to keep trying to pound the importance of this into Trump's head until he quits feeding the loonies. Probably won't work. Because Trump doesn't ever think of the consequence of his words, no matter what the topic, it's all gut level knee jerk all the time, whatever will get him "ratings." I think it's kind of sad how minions are eternally hopeful that they might be able to manipulate Trump into doing smart things. Probably Ivanka is the only person who can do that, and she's probably got like a 25% success rate on that.
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/04/2019 - 5:10pm
Who the heck are "they" here?The GOP invented Qanon? You're starting to sound like Qanon. They have a mysterious "they" responsible for everything evil, too.
I've been watching for news on them lately because I am curious how they are handling the Epstein thing since this is their main founding meme
In any case, I find this comment of yours to be quite ridiculous, along the lines of a left version of Qanon. You're starting to sound like a crazed hysterical nut. Is the Democratic Party like Jesus, going to save you from the evil? Boy, are you going to be disappointed after the election that they win.
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/04/2019 - 6:06am
Republicans have stolen a Supreme Court seat and are placing wingnut judges. They are OK with Russian aid and concentration camps. In no way are Democrats perfect, but they are the better option. As you post notes QAnon considers Trump to be their leader.
Name a rational Congressional Republican,not an anti-Trumper, but a Congressional Republican who is not leaving Congress. Susan Collins is a fake, she says rational things, then votes with Trump.
The Republican Party is a clear and present danger to the United States of America.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 08/04/2019 - 9:03am
by artappraiser on Sat, 08/03/2019 - 9:49pm
by artappraiser on Sat, 08/03/2019 - 11:31pm
Once you learn safe gunmanship on the range, hard to go back to the old ways.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 08/05/2019 - 1:44am
April 3 NYTimes interactive on white extremism becoming globally connected: Attacks by White Extremists Are Growing. So Are Their Connections:
by artappraiser on Sat, 08/03/2019 - 11:53pm
Matthew Yglesias re-tweeted:
this too:
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/04/2019 - 1:04am
Weak. Trump calls them patriots.
It's time to stop ignoring that Trump ignites the fuse of these white devils. It's the dark heart of his campaign strategy.
by NCD on Sun, 08/04/2019 - 1:48am
Nope. I think you'll be very sad if you start buying into the lone bogeyman theory. Because what we we are seeing is a reaction against globalization and too rapid change, remember? He is a mirror that they like. Breixit, German Neo-Nazis, French yellow jackets, Trump caused those? Get Trump out of office and not only will he still be there, but the disaffected loonies who can't cope with change and losing their tribal status are going nowhere.They are not going to quiet down just cause Trump is no longer president. He'll be bloviating on Fox, sometimes feeding their frenzy and sometimes getting what they want totally wrong. (And they may not give him so many mulligans once he's out because: he's not "winning" anymore.)
What happened, did you forget all about this guy?
Trump Called Steve Bannon His 'Pupil.' This Is Hilariously Incorrect.
And Pat Buchanan before him?
The comparison with recruitment by ISIS and Al Qaeda before them via internet chatter is quite apt. They weren't an organized conspiracy and this is not either. And both were born of assuaging supposed humiliation of young men who were taught they were supposed to be king of the hill according to the local culture that was once there.
He's a skilled troll, but still merely a troll. A mirror for his constituency when he's having a good day, but not always. Because like him, many of them can't/don't read long form language. I swear, sometimes I think required doses of soma for young men might just make the world a better place.
[Edit to fix typos.]
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/04/2019 - 4:42am
I dare say the main difference between here and elsewhere is the easy availability of automatic firearms. Here you go, could be extremist terrorism, could be a bar fight, details not known yet: 9 dead, 16 injured in a shooting in Dayton, Ohio @ CNN.com, Updated 4:30 AM ET, Sun August 4, 2019
All the young kooks with a variety of resentments copycat each other, remember?
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/04/2019 - 4:27am
By the way, the FBI has officially stated it is not at all comfortable with profiling the 19-yr. old Gilray Garlic Festival shooter as motivated by white supremacy. Because: it's complicated, screwed up young men always are. This guy had all kinds of radical literature and they don't consider it a good clue:
Do guys like that tend to like Trump? Yes, because he acts and talks like a fucking arrogant male teenager!
I was actually quite encouraged by the article because it suggests a sophistication in profiling that I formerly have not attributed to the FBI. And that they had the gumption to warn that the media might be jumping to misleading conclusions instead of staying silent as they often do....the last thing we need is another round of hysteria ala post 9/11.
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/04/2019 - 5:16am
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/04/2019 - 12:57am
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/04/2019 - 6:17am
Trump 'You wouldn’t believe how bad these people are. These aren’t people. These are animals"
So what Trump calls "patriots" and "good people" are taking out the animals :"infesting" America.
In a cult of leadership it has been called 'Working Towards the Führer.'
by NCD on Sun, 08/04/2019 - 8:37am
The El Paso shooter was taken alive despite killing 20 people. John Crawford, a black man, was killed within seconds after police arrived while carrying a toy gun sold in the store where he was shopping. If there was a website like 8chan hosted by blacks or Muslims, you an be certain that theirs would be laws allowing surveillance of the websites. White privilege leads to two sets of standards for police behavior.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 08/04/2019 - 6:31pm
again ridiculous. Are you trying to argue that law enforcement has not been hot and heavy on extremist Muslim websites for decades, including all kinds of entrapment ops to get them to act out?
You seem to have an incredible passion to twist every popular news item towards black victimhood. What is demagoguery again? Sorry, but I just am not in the mood to let your nonsense go unchallenged lately, because I actually see your style of myopically blind partisanship ( Amero-centric to boot) as a major part of this country's problems right now.
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/04/2019 - 6:40pm
Your only role seems to be to come by and defend white people. A majority of white people voted for Trump. Many are still sticking by him despite the racism and white nationalism. No one expects Trump to produce a unifying message. You come by to support those who cast votes for him.
White nationalism is a story that directly impacts black people. COINTELPRO was about stopping black protest. FBI and other agencies say that their hands are tied in going after 8chan.
There are more people calling out Trump’s white nationalism and the silence of Republicans than there are appeasers like you.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 08/04/2019 - 8:49pm
crazy thing to say as I started this thread with kudos to a black guy and then I posted most of the stories on it, far from just "coming by". It's more like this: rmrd just comes by when there is big news in order to offer his spin of the story to his favorite myopically tribal topic. It's not even plural, it's one topic, preaching the same topic day and night.I.E., let's see how we can spin this news to fit with my only sermon.
Do you even care that a bunch of non-black people died? You don't show it.
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/04/2019 - 9:00pm
Actually I haven’t posted because I was enjoying an extended vacation. The El Paso shooter was all about immigrants and wanting to be rid of brown people. Much of what the shooter posted was verbatim from Trump speeches. My point is that you cannot be a person of good conscience and support Trump. As it stands now must support for Trump will be from white voters. Jennifer Rubin and Max Boot in the WaPo are pointing out that there is no reason to still support Trump. Democratic Party members are openly labeling Trump a white supremacist. That is the bottom line.Trump has no moral credibility.
You want to divert to other issues, but the bottom line is that those who still support Trump are supporting a white nationalist. Every life lost in El Paso is a tragedy, including the couple who died protecting their infant, you know that. Republicans will block any legislation that would prevent future events by focusing on gun control and sites like 8chan. Republicans will again offer thoughts and prayers, but as true Christians know faith without works is dead.
Trump is a white nationalist. Trump’s words were parroted by the El Paso shooter. Trump encourages racial division. His supporters yell “Send them back”. There is blood on their hands. They are deplorable.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 08/04/2019 - 9:51pm
and if you are going to do tribalism, you need to get your tribes straight! Heard tell this perp was out to shoot Mexicans, not American blacks.
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/04/2019 - 6:50pm
AA, all marginalized groups are at risk. Trump is a white nationalist. He was sued for housing discrimination. He called for the death penalty for the Central Park Five, and has not apologized despite their exoneration. He is an Obama birther. He called Lebron James and Don Lemon dumb. He attacked three black female reporters. He called African countries shitholes. He attacked for Congresswomen of color, basking in chants of “Send them back”.Multiple people noted this put there lives at risk. He said John Lewis’ district was impoverished, a lie. Trump now attacks Elijah Cummings and Baltimore. Trump is putting black people at risk. You are too trapped in the bubble to see the obvious.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 08/04/2019 - 11:28pm
We don't need a list of Trump sins through the ages in every one of your posts. We follow the news. We're not 6. WE FUCKING SEE AS CLEARLY AS YOU THAT TRUMP PUTS *EVERYONE* AT RISK. So please stop the annoying pedantic blacksplainin'.
BTW - I don't see Trump's "White "Nationalism" as anything more than any of his 30 other convenient awful tools in his toolkit. I don't think he believes in anything except himself and Ivanka. Stoking white nationalism is the same as bankrupting casinos or laundering Russian money through his real estate or starting a trade war with China - what ever provides him a moment of advantage or diversion from something worse. Yeah, he's a sexist pig,but even that's more about his image than any actual sex drive. Melania's just another piece of shitty gold lamé furnishing for his vanity display. Since he's found himself President he uses particular tricks more often than previouslym, doesn't mean it's more authentic.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 08/05/2019 - 1:30am
Then you should be relaying the message to AA. She wondered why I was concerned.
Edit to add:
It is only now that political leaders are calling Trump a white nationalist in large numbers. The 2020 election will be about the moral direction of the country.
2nd Edit to add:
Everyone from Jennifer Rubin to Max Boot to Charles Blow is talking about Trump’s white nationalism. Nothing I posted is out of line.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 08/05/2019 - 3:44pm
"Stoking white nationalism is the same as bankrupting casinos or laundering Russian money"
Uh, no. One is an ideological precursor to genocide.
by NCD on Mon, 08/05/2019 - 3:50pm
They are treating this as if is if it is not a threat. They want to ignore the problem. AA asks why I’m making it a black thing.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 08/05/2019 - 3:57pm
Obama today:
Former president Barack Obama called on the country Monday to reject words “coming out of the mouths of any of our leaders” that feed fear and hatred and normalize racist sentiments, a tacit rebuke of President Trump in the wake of the Texas and Ohio shootings.
In a statement posted to his Twitter and Facebook accounts, Obama said such language has been at the root of most human tragedy, from slavery to the Holocaust to the Rwandan genocide.
“It has no place in our politics and our public life,”
"We should soundly reject language coming out of the mouths of any of our leaders that feeds a climate of fear and hatred or normalizes racist sentiments; leaders who demonize those who don’t look like us, or suggest that other people, including immigrants, threaten our way of life, or refer to other people as sub-human, or imply that America belongs to just one certain type of people,”
by NCD on Mon, 08/05/2019 - 6:45pm
Both AA and PP attack me as the problem. PP went as far as posting a complete fabrication of a speech given by Frederick Douglas about something as simple as July Fourth. It was a joke to him. Yet he comes by to rant about my post. He lied, but still feels that he can criticize me. Attacking white supremacists is not attacking all white people, but both AA and PP criticize me for being anti-white. A majority of white voters supported Trump. We have to go after people who stayed home and Independents. The way things look now, a majority of Trump voters will stick with him. The problem is white supremacy and access to military weaponry. This is not about tribes and it is not a joke. Vote.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 08/05/2019 - 9:48pm
You are going to vote against Trump in 2020. .
So are AA and PP.
You write well about the dangers of white supremacy.
Clearly they agree with that.
None of you agree with every nuance of each other's positions. On any individual issue you might be right or
wrong. Or could they. And if any one of them make a statement today it might be right or wrong.
The Lord isn't finished you with you yet. As some one said. Or with them.
Can't we all get along? To paraphrase someone else said
What if one of you "wins" in these exchange.s? And the loser decides to
stay home? Then the winner will lose.
And all of us.
by Flavius on Mon, 08/05/2019 - 11:39pm
Grownups tend to enjoy criticizing each other's writing and thoughts, being challenged to think differently and hone their analysis, outlook and writing.
Unless they are preachers looking for amens and dittos, that is.
Do you even know what "pedantic" means? It's lecturing instead of discussing. When the audience is not 5th graders they might find basic history lessons insulting to their intelligence. And even 5th graders don't like the same lesson pounded at them day after day after day. (Did you like Hal C. writing supportive posts for Bernie over and over and over a thousand ways to Sunday as if nothing else was going on in the world?) A thousand variations on the same meme, pedantically yet.
Did you ever take a college seminar or have discussion class after the lecture? The way you word things doesn't sound like it.
In your last one word sentence, who are you talking to? You just lectured us about voting! If you don't like the criticism you get here, ever think about changing the way you write? If you didn't complain about it, no one would expect you to, because you had confidence in what you were doing. But instead you whine.
P.S. Re: you say this is not about tribes. You need to go splain that to Obama, he's all over the tribal meme in the last paragraph of his statement. And that thing about tolerance and diversity? It's not just meant for whites about people of color. Note the ending phrase of every race and faith and political party. That means you too, have some tolerance for your "others". Try to understand them instead of making sure they stay your enemy. It's counterproductive when you feed the tribal and partisan beast, you get back what you give in spades.
[later edit to fix typos]
by artappraiser on Tue, 08/06/2019 - 2:03am
Could the incessant lecturing RM diminish? What's so annoying about "one word sentences" like "vote", it needs repeating right up to election day, for whoever visits this site. It's one word. Skip it.
Comments like "Did you ever take a college seminar" are frankly conceited and demeaning. This is not a "college educated only" site, and neither is America.
Acting like one's personal interpretation of statements like "the overwhelming majority of Americans of goodwill, of every race and faith and political party" is tribal 'bad', when it seems it is instead trying to erase tribal lines into those with "goodwill" and those without. "Race, faith and party" differences are, and always have been, 'issues' in America, mentioning them is not "feeding a beast", it's trying to bridge them, as they have needed bridging to unify this nation for most of our history.
And PP. RM is talking about the white supremacist movement, a terrorist movement in this country that he is, understandably, very concerned about. He's not the only one concerned, about what Trump is doing:
As much as you try to reassure us of Trump being a self-centered fool, which he is, with your opinion on how he 'thinks':
The white supremacist movement is going to be here after he is gone, just like the KKK was still here after Nathan Bedford Forrest was gone. After Trump the white supremacist movement could be led by someone more effective and more dangerous to this country.
by NCD on Wed, 08/07/2019 - 10:32am
Jesus, I dont give a shit. As OceanKat picked out, I think Trump is completely amoral and unprincipled and might join MeToo and wear a male pregnancy outfit tomorrow if it fit his vanity and made him a buck. I dont think he has much invested in "White Supremacy" short of "The Trumps have the best genes". (Hitler would have questioned his predilection for Slavs). It's all about him. Disagree? Fine, but I can understand what you and rmrd are saying, but to me Trump is just a callous opportunist. Of course the effects may be the same as with a sincere David Duke, depending on what we're discussing - "insincere" doesn't have to equal "non-dangerous" by any means.
PS - if anyone needs a degree, I've got a few extra. Don't think we need to hide our college education, and I've known plenty of high school dropouts who knew how to make up for missed college experience in various ways if needed. If an explanation/analogy doesn't fit, they can complain, ignore, appeal, leave, whatever. Part of the marketplace of ideas.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 08/07/2019 - 1:17pm
Here is AA from upstream
and
Her concern is that we are going to overreact to white nationalists.
Of course, the FBI opened a domestic terrorism investigation
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/06/us/gilroy-shooting-domestic-terrorism.html
Glad we didn’t take it to a 911 level before we got the facts. So far, people have been asking for legislation and voting Republicans out of office.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 08/07/2019 - 3:24pm
Short of a manifesto, like the killer in NZ or the one in El Paso, and since he is dead, no one may know what motivated the garlic festival killer.
The reason every modern country bans assault weapons, and there are over 200 types and knockoffs banned in Canada, is for this simple reason:
To massacre scores or hundreds of people in seconds or minutes, you need two things, (1) a mentality that predisposes you to do it (2) an assault weapon, designed specifically to kill people rapidly and in large numbers, a large magazine helps speed up the carnage (they come up to 100 rounds).
You can't control #1, you can deny #2. We had such a ban from '93 - 2003, the Republicans let it expire.
by NCD on Wed, 08/07/2019 - 5:14pm
Funny you should bring up the word "manifesto", that is one I probably should have used in my last comment. Seriously, the way rmrd writes sounds like a manifesto to me, almost all the time. That is all I have ever been trying to say in any criticism of him. It's not about ideology. It's about constant manifesto-speak. I'm just not into people spouting manifestoes. I will be honest and say I tend to equate those who do that metaphorically with like, shooting an automatic weapon. True that nobody is hurt by the words, but it sure is ugly to me sometimes. I guess my fault is that I have too much appreciation for nuance and a lot of dislike for passionate partisanism and "us v. them" tribalism and intolerance for the other as much as one might dislike them.
by artappraiser on Wed, 08/07/2019 - 5:50pm
Anyone who expresses dismay or alarm at what Trump and the Republicans are doing to this country, however often they do so, or how persuasive they are, I totally support and sympathize with them. A lot of Americans are on edge, particularly minorities. There is ample justification for all Americans of "goodwill" to be very uneasy.
See "Hate is not a mental illness" at link.
by NCD on Wed, 08/07/2019 - 9:13pm
well we differ on your first paragraph because I've see a lot of messaging over the years on blogs, and now on social media, that I think has been totally totally counterproductive to left-of-center causes. And is easily manipulated by the right to be detrimental to the left. Liberals are often their own worst enemies in the last couple of decades. Even so, I am not into screaming STFU, as I really don't like partisanship. I admit I do like to point out the counterproductiveness from time to time and see if their is any eventual self-realization.
Clearly, by now I would think that I know you believe "Republicans are scum" messaging works. If I have ever criticized you about that, I don't remember doing so as I don't feel it necessary. Why? Because you do it well and it's your opinion. I am interested in getting a variety of opinions and views. What I don't like is constant regurgitation of sloppy agitprop, pure and simple. Life is too short to waste on the same point over and over and over and over. I am not in 5th grade and don't want to spend the rest of my life talking with 5th graders. And I also think that 5th graders would benefit from learning more before talking. Sorry, that's me. I've been through hell in my last decade and I really feel time is precious.
by artappraiser on Thu, 08/08/2019 - 12:18am
I never said Republicans are scum. The Party is exploitive of it's low information base, pushes culture issues it doesn't care about, never wants to solve, operates with bad faith in Congress, lies constantly, pushes fear and racism, anti-government sentiment, anti-science, cuts taxes and borrows- deficit be damned, health care be damned, etc etc
Maybe you could do a post on the accomplishments of the Republican Party, over the last couple decades on solving any national issues, I doubt you will or could do it.
by NCD on Thu, 08/08/2019 - 12:54am
I don't give a shit if you're "anti-white" - I care if you're boring and repetitive and waiting to drop a load of history 'splainin at any moment like some massive cut-and-past we've alread seen the equiv of a hundred times.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 08/06/2019 - 12:35am
I care that you posted a bald-faced lie.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 08/07/2019 - 7:48am
Bald-faced Lie about what?
And in case this got misinterpreted, no I don't think you're "anti-white".
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 08/07/2019 - 1:20pm
You posted a fabrication about what Frederick Douglas said in his Fourth of July speech because you knew that your well-read groupies would not pick up on it.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 08/07/2019 - 2:59pm
"Groupies" - wow, let me wallow a moment in perverse thought... ok, now, what is tough for you in dividing interpretation & opinion and "lied"? I certainly know too little of Frederick Douglass to claim great insight, tho unlike Trump know him to be a 19th Century character. I quoted an excerpt from an 1852 speech with my thoughts. You didn't like it - fair enough. But it was my honest opinion/interpretation. You can kvetch all you want, don't turn it into a "lie", however much you're emotionally invested in all this. Call it privilege, call it fluffing the groupies.
To remind: http://dagblog.com/comment/269448 [a cut-and-paste from Douglass' speech, hardly a "complete fabrication".]
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 08/07/2019 - 3:26pm
PP didn't say that it was objectively the same or even that he thought it was the same. Only that to Trump it was the same. I agree that to Trump it is the same. It was meant as a criticism of Trump not a defense. You and rmrd are running a thread ragging on PP based totally on your own bullshit interpretation of something he didn't say. Jeezz dudes, learn to read.
by ocean-kat on Mon, 08/05/2019 - 10:21pm
And I bet Trump would much rather talk about white supremacy and innigrants than whether he banged 14-year-olds with Jeffrey Epstein or got help from Russians via Manafort & Roger Stone & Deripaska, or whether he's really broke all these years getting paid off by Russian money laundering as Putin's bitch. (We see how McConnell's starting to fall apart at that suggestion) We keep giving Donald what he wants, his home turf - not cuz it defines him, but cuz it's the most comfortable, riles his base, play by numbers. Was Joe Arpaio ever shamed out of being a racist?
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 08/06/2019 - 12:45am
Racism will be a major part of the discussion in 2020. That is inescapable. The vote will be about the moral values of the country.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 08/07/2019 - 7:48am
If it's about racism Trump wins the election. You might win the argument, but he and the GOP will be pulling out the stops on voter suppression while talking racism gets many of his "victimized" supporters to the polls.
Of course that applies to swing states only, the only thing that matters for the presidential election. For other political races, it may be important to have front and center. YMMV.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 08/07/2019 - 1:23pm
No, if it is about racism, the country wins. Goldwater was called out for trafficking with white supremacists. Goldwater lost. David Duke was tied to the Klan Duke lost. Appeasement does not work.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 08/07/2019 - 3:14pm
If you can pull a 2020 LBJ & a Senate majority out of your butt, bring it on.From what I recall the GOP controls the dice.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 08/07/2019 - 3:41pm
You can tell the future of politics in this country as well as being an expert on what all African Americans think. Silly me reading all this news and analysis for many years, I should just follow rmrd's declarations. The great pseudonmyous rmrd of the internet declares the truth and the light, looking for amens.
The above is how your writing comes across to me. I think you should know that. I think a professional writer would want to know that in order to hone his communication skills, he would want to know whether his language was coming across as arrogant and turning people off rather than win them over. Now maybe he wants to be a trollish pundit, wants to be a lefty version of say, Tucker Carlson. So maybe he does want to turn some people off. Even then, even if that was the case, I would think: such a person would welcome my input of how he comes across, as irritating to me. Would appreciate knowing that it worked. But you? No, it upsets you to get honest input from others. So that means to me: that you have hopes to convince someone in the audience here by what you write. It's clear by now that's not going to be many here. The mystery is why you keep pounding the same drum at us. Why? Nobody likes being hit on the head 10,000 times by someone saying "I am going to repeat things until you say amen and dittoes." (It is usually also implied in the language that your pals here on this site are also idiot whypipple who don't have a clue and need blacksplaining, which is again, arrogant.)
Further, you write like you are talking to yourself. To reinforce and clarify your own beliefs and then hopefully find loyal followers on the same. If so, why not just blog and refuse to get into commenting when you only have the desire to preach rather than communicate and discuss with others? Or why not just do this on Twitter? Why o why do you keep doing it to this small audience here over years and get angry that we don't change? Are we like your pet bucket list project or what?
by artappraiser on Wed, 08/07/2019 - 5:40pm
And a simple link shoots your narrative here all to heck: Dayton Police Killed Shooter Within 30 Seconds Of First Shot @ NPR.org, August 4, 2019
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/04/2019 - 9:03pm
That has nothing to do with Trump being a white nationalist and a threat to the United States.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 08/04/2019 - 11:29pm
Mexico Demands Protections for Mexicans in the U.S. After Attack
Mexico will take “effective, immediate and blunt legal action” to protect Mexicans in the United States after the El Paso shooting, authorities say.
By Elisabeth Malkin and Azam Ahmed from CIUDAD JUAREZ for NYTimes.com, Aug. 3
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/04/2019 - 7:06pm
8chan Is a Megaphone for Gunmen. ‘Shut the Site Down,’ Says Its Creator.
The site is a venue for extremists to test out ideas, share violent literature, and cheer on the perpetrators of mass killings.
By Kevin Roose @ NYTimes.com, 10 min. ago
Photo caption: Fredrick Brennan started the online message board 8chan in 2013.Credit: Todd Heisler/The New York Times
edit to add more, it's important:
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/04/2019 - 7:28pm
I saw this interview of Frederick Brennan by Erin Burnett on CNN, was very impressed, pays attention to what the sickos are up to and expresses it well; recommended:
by artappraiser on Tue, 08/06/2019 - 12:16am
More from Glen Oakley, "The worst thing I've been through in my life", video @ BBC. The vulnerability expressed makes him all the more princely to me. It's very brave for a man to express what he does to the world:
Edit to add: this is especially what I want to see in a soldier!
by artappraiser on Mon, 08/05/2019 - 3:32am
For those who are still interested in delving into motive, a reminder that the perp is still alive this time. WaPo has these pieces:
As his community diversified, El Paso suspect learned to hate
Relatives say he was radicalized online. Classmates and others say that changing demographics in suburban Texas might have played a role in his worldview.
Shooting suspect said he was targeting ‘Mexicans,’ police say
by artappraiser on Fri, 08/09/2019 - 9:19pm