MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Op-ed by Thomas B. Edsall @ NYTimes.com, March 31
[....] “The short answer is that the exit polls are wrong,” Matthew DeBell, a senior scholar at Stanford’s Institute for Research in the Social Sciences, emailed me. He continued:
In November 2016, 31.9 percent of adult US citizens had college degrees, according to the Current Population Survey. There were 138.8 million votes. To reach 50 percent of all voters, the turnout rate among college grads would have to have been 97 percent. This doesn’t pass the laugh test; no credible study has ever found turnout rates that high.
The Pew Research Center and the Center for American Progress have produced methodologically sophisticated surveys of the electorate that sharply contradict 2016 exit polls.
Perhaps most significant, a March 20 Pew Research Center public opinion survey found that 33 percent of Democratic voters and Democratic leaners are whites without college degrees. That’s substantially larger than the 26 percent of Democrats who are whites with college degrees — the group that many analysts had come to believe was the dominant constituency in the party.
According to Pew, this noncollege white 33 percent makes up a larger bloc of the party’s voters than the 28 percent made up of racial and ethnic minorities without degrees. It is also larger than the 12 percent of Democratic voters made up of racial and ethnic minorities with college degrees.
In sum, Pew’s more precise survey methods reveal that when Democrats are broken down by education, race and ethnicity, the white working class is the largest bloc of Democratic voters and substantially larger than the bloc of white college-educated Democratic voters [....]
Comments
If these findings are true, it means that wheelbarrow loads of the post mortem arguments about who to pander to next are, like, totally incorrect.
by moat on Sun, 04/01/2018 - 8:53pm
yeah (was why I posted a big excerpt with lotsa cross links)
by artappraiser on Sun, 04/01/2018 - 9:29pm
Ahum... never mind.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 04/02/2018 - 1:41am
maybe it's more like this
by artappraiser on Mon, 04/02/2018 - 1:43am
Well, they'd love it to be #2 to deny any accountability, and just rave about whatever. Who were the groups who've been slandered the last year by these supposed airtight exit polls? Again, Nate Silver gives outcomes in several brackets of uncertainty; the press runs with supposed absolutes and the people lap it up.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 04/02/2018 - 1:48am
Edsall's interpretation of what the new results demonstrate just doubles down on the previously received argument that working class whites are all circling their wagons in the face of heterogeneous hordes.
So it looks like Roseannadanna will have the last word on this one.
Sorry Emily.
by moat on Mon, 04/02/2018 - 8:34am
Democrats have won in surprising areas. People are now experiencing Trump fatigue. Every group, including minorities, have economic anxiety. There has been little impact of the tax cuts on the income of most Americans. Voters may be ready for a Democratic solution.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 04/02/2018 - 8:46am
Yet trump’s “favorables” are slightly up. Is his base rewarding him for plooking Stormy, or do they believe his bullshit? After all, it is rare to see any facts disputing his wild claims on everything.
im old enough to remember when we were confident that the GOP was dead, during Dubya’s first term.
by CVille Dem on Mon, 04/02/2018 - 9:01am
Trump has his 40%. The only hope is that the rest of us come out to vote. The majority of white Evangelicals are in Trump’s camp. The racists and bigots are in his camp. Democrats have to rely on the other whites, minorities, and a chunk of white women, Trump’s 40% are white identity voters. It is only because minorities voice opinions that they are spoken of as being pandered to as an identity vote. Everybody is an identity voter.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 04/02/2018 - 9:32am
Except polls will suffer similar biases to the exit polls - they can simply be weighting segments wrong, so the results are always skewed. (that might make Trump look better, but whatever)
But it's hard to imagine that #metoo/#timeisup and #parkland having 0 effect, and it seemed that there was some watershed point of acceptance for #takeaknee, while it's hard to imagine Stormy registering neutral on the scale, even if most people mughy not yet be registering #RussiaGate quite yet. And while the troops might rally behind Trump's trade wars and DACA and claims about Syria et al, I'd guess any supporters involved in business recognize that just changing personnel willy-nilly or leaving positions open is simply not productive.
In short, my gut tells me there has to be movement of some sort, and either the depth of support is getting shallower or they're asking the wrong questions or... (alien space gods are conducting thought experiments or...)
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 04/02/2018 - 11:50am
I think it behooves to go even further back. To think about this meme:
For 2018 I am thinking GOP in swing districts are staying silent on Trump because they are crossing their fingers that they can win with votes rewarding them for tax cuts and low unemployment combined with pro-Trump votes. It's risky because the anti-Trump voters are motivated, but it's all they got and according to Carville's rules, it might be enough. I'm talking the swing surburban that the Dems are hopeful about, not the red red rural where the jobs are not coming back and are not considered swing.
For 2020,who knows? Precisely because we can't predict what his craziness will do to the economy.
by artappraiser on Mon, 04/02/2018 - 1:41pm
More proof Roseanne Rosannadanna rules:
‘Stormy Effect': Trump’s support falls with women, rises with men in new poll
@ TheHill.com- 04/02/18 05:01 PM EDT
by artappraiser on Mon, 04/02/2018 - 8:17pm
but I've got to admit sometimes I wonder whether we should pay more attention to what the Russian bots think are the most divisive topics in the U.S. rather than our own pollsters
Russian bots flock to Laura Ingraham feud with Parkland student: report
@ TheHill.com 04/02/18 05:08 PM EDT
Question in the past is: are they the chicken or egg? Here they are definitely the egg.
by artappraiser on Mon, 04/02/2018 - 8:39pm
They are the tuna salad with lo-fat dressing.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 04/03/2018 - 12:19am