MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Trump was told before the inauguration that Russia was intervening to get him elected. He is participating in a coverup. He is colluding with Russia.
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From the NYT
WASHINGTON — Two weeks before his inauguration, Donald J. Trump was shown highly classified intelligence indicating that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had personally ordered complex cyberattacks to sway the 2016 American election.
The evidence included texts and emails from Russian military officers and information gleaned from a top-secret source close to Mr. Putin, who had described to the C.I.A. how the Kremlin decided to execute its campaign of hacking and disinformation.
Mr. Trump sounded grudgingly convinced, according to several people who attended the intelligence briefing. But ever since, Mr. Trump has tried to cloud the very clear findings that he received on Jan. 6, 2017, which his own intelligence leaders have unanimously endorsed.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 07/18/2018 - 10:13pm
As Seth Abramson notes, "Trump got a major briefing on Russian crimes on August 17, 2016, too". Of course since he was promoting Russian crimes and criminals, he simply used this briefing to tell his cronies what was up, full speed ahead. He of course had much of this info much much earlier.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 07/19/2018 - 5:39am
Trump is having advisers consider whether to turn over a former ambassador to Putin for questioning
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/putin-asks-trump-to-hand-over-us-diplomats
Trump is unfit for office.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 07/18/2018 - 10:18pm
First thoughts on this.
If Trump is out soon congressional Republicans will intensify efforts to shut down the Mueller probe. This must be rejected outright. If and when Trump is out the public must have a full accounting of what Mueller finds pertaining to Trump. And, as important, Pence's role and actions must also be revealed. There already are ample grounds to justify a deep dive to find out everything that can be found out about Pence.
But first things first. In light of these findings, if they hold up to scrutiny as I strongly suspect they will, there must be a widespread, overwhelming public demand for Trump to resign immediately. That call must include important Republican party officials who have not to date hinted at any willingness to put country over party.
If this does not happen we might as well inform the rest of the world that the new national motto of our once and future great country has been temporarily changed to: We suck.
by AmericanDreamer on Wed, 07/18/2018 - 11:16pm
I agree completely. Also, if there ever was a time that a SCOTUS nominee should not get a hearing it is NOW! I haven’t heard this mentioned but it needs to be a steady drum beat by Democrats and Independents and any remaining republicans who are not already in the bag for Putin.
by CVille Dem on Thu, 07/19/2018 - 11:27am
What was the time stamp on this Times piece?
by AmericanDreamer on Wed, 07/18/2018 - 11:27pm
This is the link for the story
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/world/europe/trump-intelligence-russian-election-meddling-.html
Lawrence O’Donnell opened with it on Last word
I see this as the lead story now
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/us/politics/trump-putin-higher-intelligence.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
Edited to correct current lead story
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 07/19/2018 - 12:29am
Here is the link to the NYT article from msn.com
https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/world/from-the-start-trump-has-muddied-a-clear-message-putin-interfered/ar-AAAhbPf
From Democratic Underground
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/10142113361
Curious
Edit to add:
Twitter account that has video clip of O’Donnell leading with the NYT story
https://mobile.twitter.com/richardhine
Even Lawrence Tribe commented
https://mobile.twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1019766768833884161
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 07/19/2018 - 12:41am
The morning CNN show carried the NYT story today. I still don’t see the story up on their website. Had to leave so I recorded but did not watch the segment.
Edit to add:
Link to the story now appears at HuffPost.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-shown-russia-meddling-new-york-times_us_5b502b10e4b0b15aba8b9da8
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 07/19/2018 - 8:43am
Duly noted this close to the huffpo story:
We can see the furious GOP congressional efforts at damage control, treating this as just another fire du jour in DC to be put out. Not a big deal. The president of the United States is engaged in treason and is apparently owned by a Russian autocrat. Ho hum. Yawn. Just another garden variety bunch of media and partisan Democratic generated hoo ha about nothing of much consequence. Now on to that SCOTUS vacancy.
Thanks for all of this followup.
by AmericanDreamer on Thu, 07/19/2018 - 9:39am
I’m using my iPad. For some reason comments do not show up on Safari but they appear on Firefox. No clue as to what happened.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 07/19/2018 - 11:34am
eta more from the Sargent piece
"As explosive new Russia revelations hit Trump, Republicans throw him a lifeline", Greg Sargent, The Plum Line, WaPo online, 9:28 AM, at: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/07/19/as-explosiv...
One graf, towards the middle of the piece:
by AmericanDreamer on Thu, 07/19/2018 - 11:56am
eta moved this to the McFaul thread
by AmericanDreamer on Thu, 07/19/2018 - 12:16pm
Kirstjen Nielsen says that she hasn’t seen evidence that Russia tried to elect Trump. Then she says that she agrees with the conclusions of the intelligence agencies regarding Russia hacking.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kirstjen-nielsen-homeland-security-trump-russia_us_5b50ad1ce4b0fd5c73c30dfa
Edit to add
She appeared at Aspen and when questioned about Charlottesville made the both sides argument.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kirstjen-nielsen-both-sides-charlottesville_us_5b50c67ce4b0fd5c73c33f7e
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 07/19/2018 - 5:12pm
Time magazine cover: http://time.com/magazine/
by AmericanDreamer on Thu, 07/19/2018 - 6:03pm
Did you watch the 19 second gif Time tweeted out when announcing the cover? It just might be the most chilling thing I've seen in a very long time ...
by barefooted on Thu, 07/19/2018 - 7:04pm
I have now. Really creepy just like you said.
by AmericanDreamer on Thu, 07/19/2018 - 8:20pm
If I may, I'd like to offer my interpretation of what MSNBC did with the NYTimes piece, because I happened to have CNN instead of MSNBC on in the background when I saw rmrd post this. I think it's important to understanding how the right side of the spectrum might not take this as a "bombshell".
So I saw the post go up and I go: hmmm, they are not mentioning it on CNN. And I looked at the NYTimes website and they aren't headlining this story, it's placed as a secondary story. (The published it @ 9:08 pm, I recorded that because I saw American Dreamer asked.)
And then I saw rmrd put up the explanation of why he used "bombshell", because they were using that word on MSBNC.
So I kept CNN on and watched it for like quite some time, and they never did talk about it. And at first glance, the article didn't seem that bombshell to me it seemed to be a review of what has already been known for a very long time, that Trump was given briefings on Russian attempts like all candidates were even before the election, and he was given more detailed briefings after he was elected. But that what we also have known for a long time, as the article says, he had/has always not taken those seriously because they came from the Obama administration people.
So I read the article carefully and I saw that what was new there, what MSNBC was calling a bombshell, was that some sources had added new detailed information: that besides what has been reported for a very long time, that he got detailed briefings, in the Trump tower briefing Trump was shown texts and emails that supposedly are very strong proof that orders to interfere on Trump's behalf came directly from Putin.
And then I switched to MSNBC and watched the late night reruns of all the 3 MSNBC shows: O'Donnell, Brian Williams and Rachel.
And it was indeed exactly as rmrd reported, both O'Donnell & Williams. they were treating it as a very big story, making a big deal of it, used the word "bombshell", had panels on it and asked questions of most guests and discussed it for a great deal of time. (Rachel did not cover it because it was published after her show started.)
But then one of them--I don't remember which--got Ref. Adam Schiff on live, squeezing in an appearance after a vote. And they asked him about it. And he kind of burst their bubble some. He said what I thought, too: well, there's that much new here, a few new details, but we've always known that Trump was briefed before and after he was elected. and he's always just dissed the Obama administration intel. He disagreed with Brennan and Clapper about it continuing, and that Trump also argues if it was just a big deal, why didn't Obama, Brennan, Clapper and Comey do something about it before the election. That this has always been the problem, that Trump argues it is just a sour grapes political witch hunt to make it look like he won unfairly. But he argues he won fairly, and this thing was all bogus to make it look like he didn't. I also think Schiff pointed out that Brennan and Clapper did not work for Trump and that we all know how Comey was fired by him. The point: Trump has always framed this as a false thing cooked up by politically motivated intel people.
I also had noticed that all three: Brennan Clapper and Comey, have been very vocal about their outrage about Helsinki.
So I surmise that the sources for the NYTimes article are probably close to them or are actually one or more of them. And that putting out this extra info, through NYTimes reporters, this is how they thought they might make it even clearer why they are so outraged about Helsinki. As in: this is the last straw, we are going to tell everything about the briefing now, that which they held back before (Important to note it was held back before because the source was very close to Putin and it could endanger the source, and that is why it was never mentioned or leaked before.)
After that, I checked Breitbart. And this is the headline I found in the wee hours last night, a confirmation that the vast right wing Trump people, they totally buy Trump's story that Brennan, Clapper and Comey are the politically-motivated liars, loyal to Obama/Hillary:
So, to sum up, what I think was going with the promotion by MSNBC of the NYTimes article as a "bombshell": they could see that it would be a bombshell to their liberal audience. But to others, like CNN and maybe even the NYTimes itself, it might look if MSNBC was overplaying it a bit too much.
It wasn't treated as that much of a bombshell on Twitter as far as I could see ( admittedly, I don't follow a lot of left people, mostly just mainstream reporters, and a few pundit types.) Because it's not the kind of thing that's going to convince very many people to change their mind, especially if they already buying the kool-aid that Trump's been selling all along.: that if it comes from Obama intel people, it's not only not true, but also he suggests it might be involved with something with that criminal Hillary, too. And Adam Schiff basically not being impressed that the leaks in thea article are not going to help change things was good confirmation for what I was suspecting.
Edit to add: it is also a possibility that MSNBC has a close relationship with the leaker(s) to the NYTimes story, and were informed about it before it was even published, and that this person/persons described it as a "bombshell."
by artappraiser on Thu, 07/19/2018 - 8:46pm
So I read the article carefully and I saw that what was new there, what MSNBC was calling a bombshell, was that some sources had added new detailed information: that besides what has been reported for a very long time, that he got detailed briefings, in the Trump tower briefing Trump was shown texts and emails that supposedly are very strong proof that orders to interfere on Trump's behalf came directly from Putin.
So there's that. Nowadays, as we get closer to the cliff that leads to whatthefuck, even the tiniest of details matter. Are they all blockbuster bombshells that cause the earth to shake? Of course not - but if they weren't framed that way people wouldn't turn their eyes to the cable channel of their choice or the online publication they trust. For better or worse, it's imperative right now that everyone pays attention to everything, except that they won't for reasons that are largely obvious ... hence the need for the occasional histrionics. I have no problem with the annoying red banner that appears on WaPo or the NYT, etc. (pick one) declaring breaking news!, even though I usually react with a been-there yawn.
At this point in our perilous times, we need to know all the details that are available for us to know. When the details start to feel like they are beside the point, or are simply a resuscitation of previous information with an asterisk that we are safe to ignore, we're in trouble. I don't care what the media chooses to call it when they get even a glimpse of something heretofore unknown in order to get our attention - I just care that we pay the attention that's urgently required.
by barefooted on Thu, 07/19/2018 - 9:14pm
I should state that it was enormously interesting to me in this way: it showed someone very high up in Obama's intel was at this point in the game willing to risk the life of a very high up Russian source in order to fight Trump's spin and what he is doing with Putin. So the leaker must really feel it is enormously important to the nation to counter Trump.
by artappraiser on Thu, 07/19/2018 - 9:38pm
Like you, aa, I was led to wonder why, if this NYT piece was a "bombshell", was it not getting much more attention in media outlets? I guess if we are at the point where supposedly very strong evidence directly linking Russian efforts to interfere in the election on Trump's behalf to Putin is not major news (it is hardly shocking or even surprising to anyone here, and may have been widely assumed to be the case by many Americans who know who Vlad the Impaler is and have been inhaling, voluntarily or not, snippets of this matter month after month), well, complacency, indifference, cynicism, inattentiveness, Trump and Trump-Russia fatigue, etc. are all part of how we've gotten to where we are. It's one thing to guess or assume that that was the case. It's another, it seems to me, to have evidently very compelling evidence establishing that it is the case.
The extent to which there is widespread media attention to the story is only one indicator, an important one, for sure, but by no means the only measure of the impact of a news report. My feelings are basically the same as those bf expressed in her reply to your comment. Even if many Americans are on vacation or decompressing over the summer, or just are taking a break from Trump-Russia there are still many potentially influential people tracking developments closely. If the Times story changes the nature of the private conversations some of these folks are having, or deepens their concerns, it is having an effect.
In any case, those of us who do view this as a big deal have no better alternative other than to do whatever we can to call attention to it. Your comment artfully, if I may, calls attention to various ways in which the Times story may not really dent the major Trump supporter narrative dismissing all of this business as sour grapes from election losers.
Yet, the "Liberal Blind Spots are Hiding the Truth About 'Trump Country'" article you linked to seems to me to support what some of us have been saying, that treating all Trump supporters as though they fit a certain caricature is unhelpful to efforts of Trump and GOP opponents, not least because it is fundamentally false. Is it really the case that the sorts of Trump voters that piece mentions, who don't fit the caricature, are truly impervious to the sort of information the Times story both recapitulates and breaks?
I know, I know, some will say those folks have already abandoned their support for Trump and maybe the GOP as well. But, really? How would any of us, or anyone, really know that there are not more Trump voters and supporters yet to be peeled away? Is it not worth the effort?
Anyway, I'm not arguing with you, aa. (dagblog has recently established the futility of arguments on the internet so if I were that would be a pretty, um, futile thing to do.) Your points are good ones.
by AmericanDreamer on Fri, 07/20/2018 - 11:22am
It seems to me that the white working class gentleman being discussed wasn’t a Trump voter. He was a voter neglected by the DNC. He was as neglected as the black candidates running in districts like the one where he resides. The solution is new leadership at the DNC.
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 07/20/2018 - 11:47am
In the end, I just looked at it as a rare chance to see into the editorial differences of the media organizations we are all using. I'm not criticizing people for deciding to trust one more over the other, not at all, it was just that this offered a possibility of making one's choice with more knowledge on the whole question of coverage of Trump scandals.
by artappraiser on Fri, 07/20/2018 - 2:35pm
FBI director Wray from the Aspen Security Conference:
Tweeter Kevin Baron is a Pentagon reporter, is there and has tweeted other interesting input from the conference
https://twitter.com/DefenseBaron
I found him because the couple of reporters I follow were retweeting his stuff.
by artappraiser on Thu, 07/19/2018 - 8:57pm
Dan Coats says he wishes Trump took a different approach in Helsinki
By Jonathan Swan & Stef W. Knight @ Axios.com, 4 hrs. ago
Edit to add: from 1 hr. ago, Axios also has:
Rosenstein says intelligence, indictments are "based on evidence"
by artappraiser on Thu, 07/19/2018 - 10:12pm
by artappraiser on Thu, 07/19/2018 - 10:18pm
by artappraiser on Thu, 07/19/2018 - 10:16pm
On the above Hurd op-ed: 1 House Republican's chilling warning on Trump and Russia
Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large, 12:59 PM ET, Fri July 20, 2018
by artappraiser on Fri, 07/20/2018 - 8:43pm
Doh!
by artappraiser on Thu, 07/19/2018 - 10:29pm
Tim Scott sank a Federal court nominee based on past writings that were considered racist. If past writings are good enough for a Federal court judge nominee, they should be able to be brought up at a SCOTUS hearing.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-sen-tim-scott-tanks-trump-nominee-over-past-racist-remarks?ref=home
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 07/19/2018 - 11:04pm
Senate GOP attempts to wave Trump off second Putin summit
By Alexander Bolton @ TheHill.com - 07/19/18 06:23 PM EDT
McConnell spokesman on Putin visit: 'There is no invitation from Congress'
BY Jacqueline Thomson @TheHill.com - 07/19/18 10:23 PM EDT
by artappraiser on Fri, 07/20/2018 - 12:05am
McConnell calls for Senate hearings on Russia sanctions
By Jordain Carney @ TheHIll.com, - 07/19/18 11:39 AM EDT
by artappraiser on Fri, 07/20/2018 - 12:06am
by artappraiser on Fri, 07/20/2018 - 9:24pm
Trump-backing congressman (Ted Yoho) doesn't want a 2nd Putin summit in Washington
By Sophie Tatum @ CNN.com, Updated 8:14 PM ET, Fri July 20, 2018
by artappraiser on Sat, 07/21/2018 - 3:52am
More White House mutiny, from an anonymouse "official" this time
WSJ: Trump ignored advice to confront Putin over indictments
By Aris Folley @ TheHIll.com- 07/20/18 10:19 PM EDT
by artappraiser on Sat, 07/21/2018 - 4:30am
by artappraiser on Sat, 07/21/2018 - 4:38am
Who put the rap in the Rapture? Or was it Raptors? Well, 6000 gone at least - that's a good day.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 07/21/2018 - 7:22am
Juicy stuff if you're into reading White House leakers and wondering what their purpose is, like I am (I know, I'm bad)
Trump’s Putin fallout: Inside the White House’s tumultuous week of walk-backs
By Ashley Parker, Philip Rucker, Josh Dawsey and Carol D. Leonnig @ WaPo.com, July 21 at 4:31 PM
Sample excerpt:
by artappraiser on Sun, 07/22/2018 - 4:28am