MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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^ I think he's definitely onto something here! In "olden times" the "talking points" were fed by professionals to politicians and then disseminated via MSM appearances. Now we have a ton of narratives being created by amateurs on social media or bots on social media which may even be foreign countries. Not to say the old way was good -.just different-- the effect is not as binary in the past and it's not top down, it's bottom up, much more hysteria, much less controlled.
(Hence you have things like the GOP beholden to crazy MAGA narratives, like MTG types or Flynn at qanon make up. Or things like anti-Semitism fed by Kanye et. al. and then some Jewish people get paranoid and exaggerate what's going on and then it's become almost a self-fulfilling prophecy because other trollish groups see they can have power by freaking them out...rinse and repeat divisiveness....)
(edit for typo)
by artappraiser on Mon, 12/05/2022 - 2:36am
They think there are points to be won
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 12/05/2022 - 3:43am
A different related thing going on is I see lots of liberal online activists trying to freak people out on Twitter about these Proud Boys in Ohio. I even saw someone call them terrorist "masses" including altering this video to make it look like there were lots more than the 20 or so idjits that were actually there -
as if this all new - time to panic, the Nazis are taking over - as if gays haven't been dealing with protest groups like Westboro Baptist Church for decades and abortion clinics haven't been dealing with this sort of shit forever.
It's not new! Those who think so just weren't paying attention.
Now there's cell video to manipulate on social media, that's what's changed.
by artappraiser on Mon, 12/05/2022 - 2:14am
p.s. Same thing. There's just 12 male kookarookoos there - just like any other gang of young men ('West Side Story' anyone?) looking to be somebody by getting a rise out of people - "Miami Against Fascism" here giving them the attention they want -
by artappraiser on Mon, 12/05/2022 - 2:20am
The right wing has been altering its videos to pretend larger crowd sizes for pretty long. Monty Python didn't have budget for Holy Grail so shot low scans to make their small crowds crowder.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 12/05/2022 - 2:41am
Meanwhile in Fridley, Minnesota, a suburb of Minneapolis, WTF is going on? Are these just sewer rats or terrorists?
Can't find much else about it yet.
by artappraiser on Tue, 12/06/2022 - 2:15pm
^ and where were the social workers?
by artappraiser on Tue, 12/06/2022 - 2:18pm
Can't be everywhere at once - but some old folks were drinking ripple on the corner(s) making sure things didn't get out of control.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 12/06/2022 - 3:46pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 12/09/2022 - 1:48pm
Attacks on Pacific north-west power stations raise fears for US electric grid
Series of attacks come after assault on North Carolina facilities cut electricity to 40,000
By Dani Anguiano in Los Angeles for TheGuardian.com, Dec. 10
by artappraiser on Sun, 12/11/2022 - 12:54am
Would it be okay for the gov to ask Twitter to deamplify accts coordinating and promoting an attack on the grid? Asking for Matt Taibbi. Has he spoken up yet about the German coup attempt with some high up Russian - but unsure how significant - connection?
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 12/11/2022 - 4:39am
I think: the Putin regime will encourage and promote ANY propaganda that is anti-western. Which doesn't mean it isn't already there and would still exist without them!!! Beware the tendency to attribute everything bad to an all knowing conspiracy by the Russian state. After all, they can't even take over Ukraine easy peasy like they promised - they are not the all powerful and knowing entity they try to be.
On this specfic instance, I think it's highly likely that, as reported, Qanon was a much bigger factor of influence on the German plotters that the Russian state. You could make the FSB and Russia itself disappear tomorrow and Qanon people would still be there. Attributing everything bad to a Putin bogeyman pulling all the strings actually is buying into the delusional thinking in a way.
by artappraiser on Sun, 12/11/2022 - 5:35pm
I was referring to the Vitalia B mention, with supposed Russian connections, but still doesn't seem concrete or high level enough to see as significant in the scheming of things. (Think i implied i hadn't/still havent even read up on the basics of the story)
https://news.yahoo.com/germany-knocks-terrorist-group-russian-112800324....
But isn't Musk saying we should promote rumor and whiffs of scandal, because to suppress them is wrong, violates 1st Amendment?
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 12/11/2022 - 8:47pm
I am sympathetic to the "against de-amplificaton" argument. In that Twitter is not a editorial outlet claiming to provide the truth but simply a social media platform. Bots and organized astroturfing efforts taking advantage of the setup are the problem, not the opinions of actual individual human beings.
I.E. not allowing anti-vaxxers to speak is putting on blinders to a real problem that exists worldwide. Just because you might not want to see that it's there doesn't mean it's not there. (Goes with the real advantage of allowing hate speech under our First Amendment - .i.e. the Neo-Nazis talk and protest rather than being forced underground to secretly organize ops. Where would today's FBI be if they didn't have Facebook postings to mine after a crime is committed? We'd be back in the days where they actually would have to infiltrate organizations with boots on the ground before acts happened....)
by artappraiser on Sun, 12/11/2022 - 5:49pm
I'm undecided. Musk gets 1 million likes on anything he posts. The level of amplification is way beyond our quaint "Let them march in Skokie" reference point. The Communists took power in Czechoslovakia with like 36% vote, and then wreaked havoc. Allende was similar, then embraced Moscow. Whether it's bots & astroturfing or deceived citizens (or maybe some are right...), the calculation is different. Time to rethink the assumptions a bit, even if draw the same conclusions. I like free speech and the marketplace of ideas, but even you are down on the havoc that BLM caused with it's overblown & misguided invective. "Take a Knee" was the politest display of protest in my lifetime, not to defund police, but to take repeated high profile abuse as a call for attention and reform. Yet it became a rallying call for racists and those dismissive of minority problems. So idunno.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 12/11/2022 - 8:59pm
I just don't see how censoring speech if it really is by individuals helps in reality; I think it's not only delusional but possibly counterproductive.(I.E. stupidly authoritarian public health people probably helped push along anti-vax movement.)
And as Maiello pointed out, Twitter already has all the tools an individual could want to censor and curate your own world: mute and block buttons, and many other related functions.
But with vox populi, if you choose to look at it, once you get rid of bots and astroturf projects, throttling one view or opinion or another is simply trying to remake reality, to pretend those views or opinions are not there!
Twitter is not a newspaper, and nobody should promise that only "the truth" is there.
As far as riling up the populace with lies, well, if you believe certain opinions need to be hidden from the stupids, then you don't really believe in democracy, do you? Many politicians have lied over millennia, that's nothing new.
You and your friends know better what they need? You would enact martial law so a Hitler is not elected at his start? Or what?
by artappraiser on Mon, 12/12/2022 - 12:31am
on this
by artappraiser on Sun, 12/11/2022 - 6:56pm
Where I live, masks and distancing and vaccines worked wonders, and where we got sloppy the disease picked up. Testing improved as the pandemic progressed - always a bit on the tail end, but useful. Infection tracking proved useless despite good intentions - with 6-degreea of Kevin Bacon, you're soon tracking everyone, tho a modest quarantine verification worked.
So what do i think about de-amplifying Jay? I'll have to mull over it a bit, frankly. I don't live in as a insane a country as America, so there's more room for considered thought, even tho we have our kneejerk protests as well. And there are always 1 million differing opinions to account for, which in an emergency becomes challenging. We handled the lockdowns rather well. I think everyone knew it was a difficult non-ideal response, but no better alternative. Like all such things, it wasn't even - many got hurt worse than others. I personally had read La Peste several times, so had a stoic existential philosophy to while away the boredom and inconveniences, and wasn't too much at risk financially (avoided what could have been disastrous decisions Jan 2020, just a gym membership gone bad. And schools - i mean, schools adapted rather well to the travails of online learning - one if the brightest spots, even if non-ideal. Childcare was a different matter -
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 12/11/2022 - 9:15pm
On this, I am watching for, but admit I have not yet seen, attribution of these partcular ops to anarchist environmentalist activists. Would actually make a lot more sense than attacking Van Gogh's in museums and Hermes stores in Paris and there is actually a history of similar activities by activists with anarchist goals in the same northwestern area of north America. To the point where one could say that a NC hit by right wing activists is copycatting them. Bet the FBI is checking out a lot of Boogaloo types who cannot be labeled traditionally right wing and have a lot of left wing sympathies. (Was Ted Kaczinski a rightie or a lefty--discuss amongst yourselves...)
by artappraiser on Sun, 12/11/2022 - 6:02pm