MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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You have to read between the lines here and realize that the article is really a finely worded complaint piece by conservatives about the inclusiveness of modern universities - which racist WASPs apparently see as "political correctness."
However, there is a question worth asking about the validity of universities. I told a friend who taught at Berkeley that I didn't feel like I learned anything vital when I was in school - nothing I couldn't have learned anywhere else. He didn't argue at all - just said, "How do you think that makes me feel?"
I have met not one but two graduates of Seattle University, a prestigious, private Jesuit university, who ended up either homeless or living in their car. One couldn't seem to find a job despite all that education. I remember going through all sorts of Math and Science prereqs - there was never a "Searching For A Job 101."
Modern education needs to be seriously reevaluated or possibly just evaluated for the first time.
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Their mission indicates Claremont Institute is a total rightwing teabag organization. Their musings on the problems with education should be discounted out of hand just knowing those little facts.
They have no honest position on the quality of education. One of the problems has been the co-opting of educational missions by corporate interests.Those interests have been making the claim since Ronald Reagan that student's aren't learning skills needed to get jobs but what they really mean is colleges and universities aren't producing conservative drones who want nothing more than to learn how to use software, answer phones and never question the process.
A college/university education is supposed to teach students to learn to think, to learn to solve problems effectively through thoughtful analysis, it was never supposed to simply teach people how to use software and answer phones, or other simple tasks that anyone can learn. These folks are wrong about education in every sense and they aren't to be trusted or believed when it comes to evaluating what a proper education should be.
by tmccarthy0 on Tue, 08/06/2013 - 2:28am
Check out the comments I left.
Universities are meant as a means towards greater advancement in their workforce. If they were just meant to teach you how to think, not as many people would pay thousands of dollars to send their children there.
I don't think it should be dismantled but I really think it should be...diversified. Creatively.
by Orion on Tue, 08/06/2013 - 5:38am
I think what you're describing is a trade school or a vocational school. These things already exist. Universities serve a different purpose, but most actually do have Career Services facilities for helping soon-to-graduate or just-graduated students find jobs. I think the key is that parents should discuss with their going-off-to-college children exactly what their goals with respect to college are. They should also be open to the possibility that a trade school is a better fit.
by Verified Atheist on Tue, 08/06/2013 - 10:03am
I'm aware of the nuances and where this article is really coming from, of course. Most of American "conservative" ideas are really rooted in racism and some form of white supremacism - I know that from first hand experience. For reasons I say in the article, though, I really do think some rethinking should occur.
by Orion on Tue, 08/06/2013 - 8:12pm
The NYT has a current article noting how colleges create a healthy economy and jobs, including private industry jobs, in Ithaca, NY also noting that Ithaca’s model of education as an economic engine is one that Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo has made a priority this year as a strategy for all of upstate, where there are dozens of universities...
by artappraiser on Tue, 08/06/2013 - 12:34pm
And you know, the thought occurs to me--I recall you have opined in the past that what today's world needs is more of a sense of community like you think was operational in the "good old days." Well, universities usually create large communities of people interested in quality of life, in culture and learning, arts and ideas, experimentation, as well as good food, good entertainment and safe neighborhoods, and often including a mixture of people from allover the world all living in proximity. Go to any small or medium size city in the world and it's likely the neighborhood that is most interesting and vibrant is the university neighborhood and it's often where the most interesting people in that area can be found. Can't really see where someone like you would want to advocate against their usefulness to society, even if you didn't like results of enrolling in one yourself.
Myself, I prefer a university-style tribe to those based on a single familial or genetic-based culture. Certainly prefer it to the communities back down on the farm of the "good old days," where everyone knew your name and your personal business.
by artappraiser on Tue, 08/06/2013 - 12:56pm
Claremont may be a Douhat loving tea bag outfit but there is no doubt that the 'credential-industrial' complex, universities, number one goal is the pursuit of dollars. Private lenders, text publishers, test tutoring organizations, testing organizations themselves, multi-application services and colleges all are culpable in shucking students and their families of money, there are lots of hogs at the trough.
If it means students are financially crippled, many colleges/universities by and large don't care, many lobbied against the (in the end watered down) Bill for them to take a dollar hit if students default on loans.
Even the College Board (SAT) hawks private student loans on their own website to get a place at the easy money student loan trough. The greed to shuck students is rampant and repugnant.
The recent move to allow the loan rates on government student loans to rise from the 3% level to market level was a blow to the nation's future, shackling students with even more debt, which will only harm the country and the economy.
Meanwhile, the number of tenure track professors drops, and adjunct part timers grows, in all likelihood reducing the quality of teaching.
by NCD on Tue, 08/06/2013 - 2:41pm
Awesome post. One of the other posts here mentioned minority students, often trying to support their family in addition to being students, having to maneuver through commuter schools and various forms of discrimination. If anything, the current system we have is gaming such people even further - they are getting the little money they do have literally sucked out of them while they have to maneuver through hoops to pay off the various loans they borrowed.
All of that game is there because people think they will be in a better place at the end of it. I graduated with a B.A. in Political Science - I live in subsidized housing and have received alot of closed doors when I have persued jobs. I have met multiple people with graduate degrees who are not doing that well - on disability or living with their family or otherwise dependent. I even met an Amherst grad who was homeless for over a year after graduating. Only 40% of the country has either an AA or BA - when you take in to account what I have just mentioned, the whole operation seems even more shaky.
by Orion on Wed, 08/07/2013 - 7:52am
Yes, it's a standard anti-affirmative action screed. The basic hustle here is to conflate affirmative action to selective colleges, which the writer wants abolished, with minority graduation rates across the board. The trick is that there are many more students in non-selective colleges (where affirmative action does not apply), and of course many more poor and minority students in those colleges. So most of the minority graduation rates have nothing to do with what happens at schools with affirmative action.
So the poor minority students who don't get sufficient support at a public commuter college (often students who are holding down one or more jobs and trying to raise a family) get used as "proof" that affirmative action at elite schools doesn't work.
As for your other point: people have been proposing rethinking college and making it more practical for well over a hundred years. And actually it's happened in a piecemeal way. By far the largest undergraduate major is some form of business degree. So that 40% of undergraduates with "practical" business degrees aren't getting jobs.
by Doctor Cleveland on Tue, 08/06/2013 - 12:41pm
I was surprised by your claim about business degrees, so I decided to double-check it. Not surprisingly (to you, at least), you were right:
I'm really surprised that science, technology, and engineering doesn't occupy a bigger piece of that pie.
by Verified Atheist on Tue, 08/06/2013 - 12:49pm
I'm less surprised that STEM is smaller. Part of that's about difficulty level, and about college preparation. If you aren't ready for organic chem, the odds are you wash out. (I'm sure you saw this happen to some classmates when you were an undergraduate.) So you switch, and might be actively encouraged to switch, to an easier major.
And the thing is, many of those "practical" majors aren't very rigorous. Sometimes a school's version of those majors is notoriously easy.
The thing to remember here is that the vast majority of college students are getting educated in second-tier public schools that have had their funding torn to the bone. (75% of college students go to public college.) If you're struggling with differential calculus at community college, the odds are that the school doesn't have the resources to help you turn it around, so everyone involved has an incentive for that student to switch his/her major to something easier.
That's not how it ought to work. But that's how it does.
by Doctor Cleveland on Tue, 08/06/2013 - 1:37pm
Yeah, it was frequent enough at Georgia Tech that we called changing one's major to Management, "taking the M-train".
by Verified Atheist on Tue, 08/06/2013 - 2:01pm
Although obviously my off-the-cuff "40%" is a gross exaggeration.
by Doctor Cleveland on Tue, 08/06/2013 - 1:51pm
Yes these public institutions have been cut to bare bones. Also the pell grants took a hit in the sequester. My grandson and his wife moved back in with me this summer. He will be starting his third year in college. We worked it out so they would not have to borrow money. I would rather have them in school then flipping burgers part time is the crappy economy. I see education as a better use of their time right now. College also it a great experience when you are young.
by trkingmomoe on Wed, 08/07/2013 - 11:52pm