MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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"America's greatest crime against the black man was not slavery or lynching, but that he was taught to wear a mask of self-hate and self-doubt.”
― Malcolm X
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/460913-america-s-greatest-crime-against-the-black-man-was-not-slavery
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 02/16/2021 - 12:47pm
kind of related, ran across this Washington Post piece that they published for MLK day:
Answer Sheet Analysis:
MLK: ‘If we are not careful, our colleges will produce … close-minded, unscientific, illogical propagandists’
By Valerie Strauss, Jan. 17
Here, as I have published in recent years to mark the federal holiday honoring the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., are some of his prophetic writings related to the purpose of education and the U.S. government’s efforts toward educating its citizens.
Just read these excerpts:
— King attended Morehouse College, and this is an excerpt from “The Purpose of Education,” a piece he wrote in the February 1947 edition of the college’s student newspaper, the Maroon Tiger:
This is an excerpt of a speech King delivered March 14, 1964, when he accepted the John Dewey Award from the United Federation of Teachers:
Here’s an excerpt from “Where Do We Go From Here: Chaos or Community?” (New York: Harper & Row, 1967):
Valerie Strauss
Valerie Strauss is an education writer who authors The Answer Sheet blog. She came to The Washington Post as an assistant foreign editor for Asia in 1987 and weekend foreign desk editor after working for Reuters as national security editor and a military/foreign affairs reporter on Capitol Hill. She also previously worked at UPI and the LA Times
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/16/2021 - 12:51pm
This prescient comment by King caught my attention.
If we are not careful, our colleges will produce a group of close-minded, unscientific, illogical propagandists, consumed with immoral acts. Be careful, “brethren!”
by A Guy Called LULU on Tue, 02/16/2021 - 1:38pm
So a comment MLK made 74 years ago strikes you as "prescient" rather than the kind of generic worry every generation has about itself & the next? A time when more people went to church than to higher education, and were just leaving the fields is the informative clue for where we'd be in 7 decades? And a time when the nation had just finished fighting a debilitating war against Hitler and trying to find it's footing in a period of rapidly changing modernity. The year Kerouac first headed out "on the road" 3 years before the 50's hit, when Gestalt Therapy was born, a decade plus before the idealism and self-indulgent and "expand your consciousness" thinking of the 60's that crashed and burned with Altamonte and Watergate, launching punk and the "Me Generation" before Greed is Good" took off, and then more decades passed, many more people went to college, and here we are mulling the words of dear Martin as if he spoke just yesterday, was really thinking of us, rather than the kind of glib banal struggle of morals vs materialism that's always existed f I'm the time Moses smashed the first set of tablets due to his people's wantonness or lack is seriousness, or when Cain slew Abel over the prestige of grazing vs planting. "Closed minded", eh? While we fight the culture battles we also have Neuralink, the struggle over universal healthcare, minimum basic income, racial & gender justice and equality, data science-driven "digital transformation", automation, decreasing poverty and war and ever-expanding access to education and knowledge. "Close-minded"? More fitting to talk about data overload and online cul-de-sacs and confirmation bias. Forrest Gump also addresses all this presciently when he said, "shit happens", and we see what happened to him. Indeed, sometimes we just don't have enough rocks.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 02/16/2021 - 2:10pm
Sorry to waste your time pointing out what you see looking back, with your brand of hindsight, as what is obvious to you and would have always been obvious looking forward. At least to someone of your perceptivity. OK, I stand corrected. Well no, I actually don't.
So a comment MLK made 74 years ago strikes you as "prescient" rather than the kind of generic worry every generation has about itself & the next?
Yes, it does. Parse the quote. " If we are not careful, our colleges will produce a group of close-minded, unscientific, illogical propagandists, consumed with immoral acts. Be careful, “brethren!” The subject of the sentence is the group of trained students [Our hope for the future?] that he thinks might become close-minded, unscientific, and illogical. They will also be propagandists consumed in immoral acts. He advises being careful of that. I think he was correct in predicting a result that factually and correctly describes large and influential segments of ours culture.
by A Guy Called LULU on Tue, 02/16/2021 - 3:02pm
College education did this, vs internet tribalism say? That college issues are about "illogic" rather than say people thinking their morals are the right ones? (not really something that can be solved through "logic"). Who are these college grads consumed with "immoral acts", and what % of total grads do they represent? How would MLK's definition of "immoral" in 1947 vs his definition in 2021? How many college grads were behind pushing healthcare or solutions to Covid? Was MLK speaking to mostly black "brethren" or all "brethren", and does it make a difference? Would he be happy that we haven't had anything close to Vietnam's 500,000 troops in decades? Would he be happy about advances towards dealing with world hunger, a major issue in his time with Malthusian concerns about have nots, and food production not solved until crop rotation and other breakthroughs in the 1950s? (Norman Borlaug )
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 02/16/2021 - 4:35pm
I believe it should be obvious that what King said he believed to be one of the chief aims of education deserved the doubt he expressed as to it being successful.
Everyone on Fox News has a diploma. Everyone at The Project For A new American Century had a diploma. So with The Heritage Foundation. So with Trump and I believe with a higher percentage of his supporters than in the general population. I believe you could quickly provide a very long list to add to my short one if that were the stance you decided to take.
by A Guy Called LULU on Tue, 02/16/2021 - 5:17pm
Wow, that's incredible - how'd you do that?
Let me give it a try:
99% of Naval Academy graduates can swim.
So 99% of Americans can swim.
And 99% of college graduates can swim.
Did i do that right?
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 02/16/2021 - 6:15pm
No.
by A Guy Called LULU on Tue, 02/16/2021 - 6:25pm
Aw shoot, i was just about to point out that since 95% of Fox News women are blonde, most GOP women are blonde too.
Where'd i go wrong?
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 02/16/2021 - 6:40pm
Another question for the ages. Maybe counseling would help.
by A Guy Called LULU on Tue, 02/16/2021 - 6:54pm
I was think math tutoring and logic.
Mustn't overbake the pie.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 02/17/2021 - 12:26am
How much education is too much, too costly?
$80k debt for divinity school, then another $40k for a master's in education?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1258030
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 02/17/2021 - 4:29am
Education, loans, value of degree, opportunity -
I pointed out the somewhat absurdity of a woman running up $160k in debt for a Bachelors in Divinity and a Masters in Social Work, and another in Education, and then going to be an adoption counselor for welfare recipients. Obviously it's her choice, except concerns about debt forgiveness and the social harm of too many people shouldering too much debt.
But thinking of MLK's comments - they were made back when college especially for blacks was more an intellectual finishing school, rather than the huge expansion into more of trade & vocational schools, even if studying engineering or business or medicine. "Thinking how to think" is a bit off may of the curricula, aside from the need to synthesize your field's information. There's a bit of ethics needed in many fields. But the idea that a college is going to teach people how to be citizens is frankly naive and certainly not what most will pony for as tuitions go sky-high. We used to think as well that much of this would be done at home or in Kindergarten or in elementary school... Maybe they'll get it from the internet if lucky?
But the problem I see with debt forgiveness or just the approaches to education is simply abandoning metrics by which people would choose a degree program (or alternative form of education), and the default subsidy of the education system that's made itself a cash cow rather than the more not-for-(much)-profit we think of in education (note that most educators receive below market salaries or per-class contracts, so if even those professionals are taking a hit, why should government pay to bump up private education investors, some like Trump running scam schools, others just running extortionate facilities. With the big lies of what students can expect getting out, rather than say more focus on newly structured coursework-plus-internships, or a way to recognize & support all the programmers who get jobs with just a little bit of college, or if health jobs are growing but not paying, a way to ease new workers into this fairly...
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 02/18/2021 - 1:18pm
I posted that MLK quote thinking in another sort of direction. King was a preacher and scholar of the Christian gospels. He knew how many ways to Sunday that "the bible" could be twisted in many different ways from the way he saw it by others, both scholars and ordinary users. To fit a narrative about the world.
In the quote, to me he's very specifically talking instead of getting an old fashioned secular education, things that supposedly can't be twisted to ideology, like math and science. I think he was warning that some things should be basics of education that we all agree on, before someone is allowed to spin ideological or emotional interpretation of texts. (I would add ironically: including MLK quotes, which are like a "holy text" to spin nowadays.) I thought this one somewhat special and related for that reason. As it also goes to the topic of spinning history every which way, according to current ideologies instead of trying your best to simply understand how it was for people living in that historical time.
That is exactly what James Goodman is talking about, too, with history, you don't judge that topic with out standards, you judge it by theirs. You don't do history by using it for the preferable propaganda of the day, you just do history. He's not saying anything bad about propaganda of the day,-or preaching your view of the gospels, as it were, he's just saying it's not practicing the field of history. Not to confuse the two. Maybe we have progressed, maybe we haven't, how can you even tell if you don't have an accurate picture of then and now and instead mix them together? He's seeing that we are adding another religious layer of interpretation, the one that it's "the original sin" on top of the religious and moral beliefs of people of the time, which were different.
Both seeing there's got to be some standard things that everyone agrees to for studying any kind of shit to even work.
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/17/2021 - 11:23pm
I should add that I suspect Annette no doubt recommended the essay because she has spent a considerable amount of her career in history studying Thos. Jefferson, including his relationship with Sally Hemings (to Pulitzer-winning effect), and other related founders, trying to delve into their psychology and way of thinking as much as is humanly possible from written records. She's definitely the kind that thinks you don't judge history and historic people without first getting an accurate picture of how life was for them and how they thought. The history comes first and is separate from the judging. And note her statement that she has some quibbles with it.
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/17/2021 - 11:32pm
Call it a sin or call it a crime
Condoleeza Rice called it a birth defect
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/332307-condoleezza-rice-says-america-was-born-with-a-birth-defect-slavery
We can play games with names
We need to address issues
Often attempts to address issues are met with diversion
Glenn Loury and John McWhorter like to remind us that it is not like the 1960s
This sounds soothing
Yet, in the next breath, we talk about current day voter suppression issues
The discussions harken back to the days when Condoleeza Rice's father faced problems voting in Alabama
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 02/16/2021 - 1:58pm
I am not persuaded by Goodman's argument that the use of "original" in describing the sin of slavery means the crime was presented as equivalent to the myths of Genesis that attempt to describe the human condition as a development of Creation. Goodman himself argues that it should be taken seriously as forming the contours of our polity. I am not sure where the difference between the secular and the religious is advanced by the distinction.
I think Lincoln came closer to the theology of the idea in his Second Inaugural speech where the cost of the crime is meted out upon all, including former slaves. Nobody rides free.
by moat on Wed, 02/17/2021 - 5:07pm
Devil"s Bargain
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 02/17/2021 - 7:49pm
I don't think it is that. The more terrible option is that commonly received ideas only are contested if they are contested. The worse that we think about ourselves is accepted by some perverse default. The idea does not have to be proved but has to not be disproved for it to be viable.
The result is not even a concept.
by moat on Wed, 02/17/2021 - 8:05pm