MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE by Michael Wolraich Order today at Barnes & Noble / Amazon / Books-A-Million / Bookshop |
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On one longstanding meme about McCain in the "blogosphere" and what we now call "social media" as regards politics & news. The one where the media has always supposedly mysteriously suckered up to him, fell for his bullshit, gave him too much a break, treated him better than his opponents etc. On that meme, this tweet by Glenn Thrush just hit me like Bingo! That's it, that's why! That's the whole reason for that phenomenon.
Also made me imagine how truly awful being a pack reporter must be at times. Whether political or just general celeb type. The subjects don't really treat them like human beings and they return the favor. To deal with someone that acts like you are two human beings interacting must be kind of shocking in a way. Who could forget that? That eye contact/human interaction thing McCain does, and laid back teasing with a sense of humilty. that is the main reason for his charm, whether you think he uses it for good or ill. Humans are real susceptible to being treated with respect and as someone special, go figure!
by artappraiser on Fri, 08/24/2018 - 10:14pm
more on him and reporters, found retweeted by Sheera Frenkel (the reporter of the recent "news mom" story)
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 1:52am
He's gone, blessedly quick. Here's how he said he wanted to be remembered:
by artappraiser on Sat, 08/25/2018 - 11:53pm
Some of the NYTmes coverage besides he above linked obit:
Mr. McCain will receive a full dress funeral service at the Washington National Cathedral before his burial in Annapolis, Md., 1h ago
The Editorial Board: John McCain, a Scarred but Happy Warrior
He could be frustratingly inconsistent, but he also bucked orthodoxy time and again., 1h ago
Nicholas Kristof: John McCain, a Maverick We Can Learn From
For all our disagreements, his death leaves a great emptiness in Washington., 1h ago
A Last Lion of the Senate
The Senate becomes a lesser place without the sometimes angry, often funny, always larger-than-life presence of the Republican from Arizona, writes Carl Hulse, our chief Washington correspondent., Senator John McCain died nine years to the day after the same virulent form of brain cancer claimed the life of Senator Edward M. Kennedy, his longtime friend.1h ago
WaPo coverage:
Headline: Senator and 2008 GOP presidential nominee driven by code of honor dies at 81; Former POW was known as ‘maverick’ of the Senate
John McCain, who was diagnosed with a brain tumor in July 2017, endured more than five years of imprisonment and torture by the North Vietnamese as a young Navy pilot. He went on to battle foes — on the left and the right — in the marble corridors of Washington. A Republican who seemed his truest self when outraged, he reveled in opposing orthodoxy and spent decades representing Arizona in the Senate. He twice ran unsuccessfully for president.
Photos: A man bred for combat
Past presidents, political rivals, Senate colleagues pay tribute
“Our nation aches for truth-tellers. This man will be greatly missed,” said Republican Sen. Ben Sasse. President Trump extended his sympathies to the McCain family.
John McCain, in the words of his colleagues
In this series of interviews, Sen. McCain’s colleagues in Congress reflected on his long career and service to the country.
McCain was a force of nature in Washington with an unrivaled global stature
The Arizona Republican used his prominence to wage battles with congressional leaders and presidents, Democrats and Republicans alike.
McCain’s death marks a new era for congressional checks on Trump
The senator, along with Bob Corker, has held the president to account on foreign policy.
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 12:09am
I've had a lot of policy differences with McCain but he was a good and decent man. I'll always remember him for this video. It's all the more poignant for how Trump would and did act in similar situations.
by ocean-kat on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 12:05am
My sentiments too. That video is very special to me personally, as it still gives me hope for this country that we can have decent political campaigns and party politics without hate.
Edit to add: yeah, I know, he had a nasty running mate at the time. As he himself said, he made mistakes. His political behavior in his later years still gives me hope.
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 12:17am
I'd like to think that's true but I'm less hopeful. Remember McCain was defeated by Bush in the 2000 republican primary by a Karl Rove generated racist smear that is the same racist tactics that Trump uses.
by ocean-kat on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 12:31am
and this is how a class act handles that, forgive and forget:
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 12:34am
Former President Barack Obama, who defeated McCain in the 2008 election, issued a statement Saturday night praising McCain for viewing public service as a "patriotic obligation:" @ NBC Chicago Channel 5
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 12:20am
The Clinton's on twitter:
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 12:24am
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 12:32am
John McCain and the Lost Art of Decency
By Todd S. Purdum @ TheAtlantic.com, Aug. 25
In decades of covering politics, I’ve encountered no one else with McCain’s unflinching combination of bracing candor, impossibly high standards, and rueful self-recrimination.
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 1:03am
Anti-McCain statement which appeared on my twitter feed because it was "Liked" by NYTimes art critic Roberta Smith; offered without comment:
Note that it is a full thread with lots of replies
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 1:24am
Sure he pandered to his base to keep getting elected in a red state. In that way he failed to live up to his own standards and damaged America. Would it have been better for him to take a stand even if it meant losing re-election and someone worse being elected? That's a tough question to answer. When it really mattered he was there. I've posted the above video already. He could have said, "Obama might be a muslim and I'm not even sure he was born in America." Trump would have said that and more. Sure he voted to repeal the ACA many times when it didn't matter because Obama was still in office. When the vote was real he voted against repeal. He also defended Kerry against the Swiftboats for "Truth."
One can take the mixed bag that was McCain and spin it any way. I think the good he did outweighed the bad.
by ocean-kat on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 2:21am
And what was his excuse for saying he & GOP'd block any of Hillary's Supreme Court picks if elected - just helping her out? McCain's obnoxious outbursts at times encouraged the worst of his pack. What better summarazes the haranguing of Iran for a decade+ than "bomb bomb Iran" McCain & Lieberman playing "tough on defense" scolds, giving Bibi plenty of cover to wage his propaganda war? McCain recited GOP talking points on Benghazi to Hillary, but when Iraq was a mess, McCain donned a flak jacket and armed detail with US gunships overhead to walk through a market to support Petraeus' failed strategy & declare everything's okay, Iraqis can go about their business... I sure love it he could chat amicably with the press, as did Bush, and I'm sure if Hillary could've blown smoke up the press' ass and them come back smiling to ask for more she would have done more of the same as well.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 8:40am
just would like to point out Hillary called him "a trusted colleague" in her tweet I posted. So all of your resentment for her, apparently just politics to her, she knew where he was coming from and why he was doing it. She does has the choice of not saying anything publicly at all. With Trump on the hand, it was "get away from me, you creep", among other things. Do you really think she didn't work closely at times with him when she was a Senator? I suspect she did.
By the way, it wasn't just media he "sucked up to" in a certain way, it wasn't schmoozing for coverage purposes it was his manner with everyone:
Being charming and kind to others gets ya remembered, go figure. Sometimes schmoozers are playing a real long, real big picture game.
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 9:57am
All I am trying to say is that a lot of politicians of all political persusions are arrogant pieces of shit as persons, full of themselves.The same problem does afflict media personalities but it's my considered opinion to a far lesser degree. The arrogant piece of shit thing is quite common in our political class of both parties and I think is a major source of our problems way before Trump made it really special.
A little humility goes a really long way especially if you do bad things, i.e. Keating 5. Go upthread to what he said about how he wanted to be remembered, basically as a human who tried to make up for his mistakes.
For that reason I think we need more like him. Seems it's becoming rarer and rarer every day, and it's one of main things I despair about lately, the nastiness of people one on one, claiming righteous reasons.
He could be passionate about the political fights and not fight fair. That's something I don't happen to admire in him. I don't like partisanship in general. But it's something I see people here on the other side admire and want more of the fight thing, the passionate advocacy thing.. If you want it and like it, though, it goes for both sides or you're a hypocrite..
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 10:23am
Twitter responds:
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 1:13pm
Please note there were several items, not just "resentment for her". His supporting that trillion dollar deficit kickback had nothing to do with her; the damage done in demonizing Iran (which played into BiBi's hands and sidetracked the peace process) had nothing to do with her. McCain's sabotaging Obamacare over several years had nothing to do with her.
And irrelevant to whether his "pull my finger" plays against Trump pleased me, yes, he did have some admirable traits and demeanor, beyond the pass that his supposed maverickiness gave him, which made it all the more frustrating when he'd go all GOP mode, with Bush, McConnell, Boehner, et al., and I was seldom a fan of that McCain-Graham-Lieberman "military adults" triad that seemed to tickle so many - I don't think I need Lulu here to get agreement that our Mideast policy was largely a bunch of smoke & mirrors over 15 years, including a ton of money wasted, and I wish he had been much harder in making it more serious, if that was indeed his interest.
Anyway, I've made my points re: McCain, and will leave it with this - he was alright, probably better than most, and I wish he were the type we were complaining about daily rather than the horrible ones that came after. I certainly have commended his military service, not criticized, and excused away his 1st divorce & some of the messiness, simply noting absence & 5 years as POW change feelings & situations in ways I'm not right to judge. His humor was refreshing compared to the humorless Trent Lott or Tom DeLay or Newt Gingriches of our time, in a more sincere way than Reagan's, and even if that jocularity was behind screwing you, you could at least grin & bear it rather than scowl. And yes, I imagine Hillary's relationship was warm, and she got to see more of the nice guy than just the policy stuff that drives my opinion, including a lot of details of what he did that I'm probably completely unaware of.
PS - From the little I understand of the Keating 5 incident, he was more straightforward than the rest, even though taking more responsibility, and in 2018 it seems like small potatoes compared with all the thievery that occurred in 2008. I guess my Overton Window's shifted on a lot of this.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 10:34am
Jimmy Carter:
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 2:14am
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 10:04am
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 10:07am
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 10:25am
from Politico.com's "Playbook" compilation "Remembering John McCain"
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 11:42am
The Feingold comment above is from an entire op-ed he did for the NYTimes: John McCain Was a Committed Leader. He Was Also Really Fun.
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 9:39pm
The Guardian is not being shy, on its U.S.home page it's got this as the headline story, though surrounded by positive pieces
John McCain opened Pandora’s box – Sarah Palin came out, but Trump was right behind her
The senator regretted his choice of running mate. In 2008, no one could have imagined what it would mean
here's the rest, note which is first:
Trump-McCainRift clear as president sends briefest of tweets
'We are all in his debt'Senator and presidential candidate dies aged 81
'American original':
'The warrior' at rest: an appreciation of John McCain
From navy royalty to senatorA life in pictures
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 3:22pm
I add little to nothing here.
But...
I could not ever agree with 90% of the Senator's votes.
I think he said that his priorities involved:
His family.
His party.
His NATION?
But he was a good American.
How might one attack him?
Well just ask Spanky:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/jacksonville-landing-mass-shooting-leaves-multiple-fatalities-suspect-dead-police/ar-BBMsGfd?li=BBnb7Kz&OCID=ansmsnnews11
http://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/26/us/politics/john-mccain-trump.html
That is all I got!
by Richard Day on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 4:28pm
Fox News analyst criticizes Trump over condolences tweet that avoided praising McCain
By Avery Anapol @ TheHill.com, Aug. 26
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 5:00pm
Stop listening to the bombastic loudmouths on the radio and television and the internet. To hell with them! ...our incapacity is their livelihood... Etc.
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 5:18pm
Nice signoff.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 5:26pm
yeah it was. I forgot about it for a while after seeing it live and being impressed, I think it sunk into my consciousness and that's what affected a change in attitude about him on my part.
I hope it gets a lot of play in the next few days, not because of him, but because of the message he was trying to send.
It is often quite useful to listen to people who know they are close to death.
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 5:33pm
Also useful to listen to people with long memories. Phoenix New Times weughs in.
https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/john-mccain-america-senator-arizona...
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 7:18pm
read the whole thing, was very good on the complexities. Seems to me the Keating 5 scandal was a conversion crisis experience as far as dirty politics was concerned, after which comes the bipartisan thing, the campaign funding thing (McCain/Feingold), the anti-pork-barrel thing and the maverick thing. Sounds like he was a fairly vicious climber before that, including the situation with the first wife, wanted to get places quickly and run a lot of people over with the bus after being stuck giving up prime life years and health as a P.O.W.. (On that era, what is a mystery to me is how someone can get so partisan about local state politics, especially when its not even that related to their business).
The carpetbagger thing rings hollow, as many Senators seem that way, one could say Hillary was similar, though 9/11 caused local to synch with national & international thereafter for her (Schumer, by contrast, strikes me as so much more of a representative of his state.) From what I read, McCain seemed to genuinely like and be proud of Arizona.
I basically agree with McCain's own assessment of himself, he's no hero He served his country and not always right. Made a lot of mistakes. Made a lot of errors, but served his country. And I hope we could add honorably, sad that someone so honest about himself is so rare. I am just so tired of the spinning, I guess, as well as the partisanship.
In all of this, I do think he is like the poster boy against term limits, wisdom through decades of error.
I disagree with those who are saying he won't be an important figure in political history. Far too much of a special character. It won't all be good, but he's gonna get far more than 15 minutes.
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 8:46pm
p.s. Heck, just for the Palin disaster we know now that for sure he's assured a big place in the political history books!
Comes to mind people until now haven't been talking enough about the link between Palin's run in the sun and Trump winning the presidency.
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 8:52pm
And still having McCain in Oct 2016 rail, "we will block all of Hillary's Supreme Court picks if she's elected" even as they'd blocked Obama's SJ choice for 8 months hows McCain wasn't immune to this craven GOP bug, even if not as consistent or extreme as Trump - perhaps a Moses type who saw the Promised Land but couldn't cross the River Jordan himself, or already had people like McConnell doing the heavier lifting so could laze back and be the pseudo-likable one.
And then there's that touching sobbing Meghan McCain-Joe Biden sitdown to bare all on her father's disease and suffering, which both evokes Joe's political deathbed session with his son that made the NYTimes, as well as reminds me of that similar heartfelt revealing moment when Meghan declared on Fox, "Hillary's truly evil, truly a total liar, and has killed a lot of people" - I'm sure it felt good to get that off her chest. If she'd had stake and garlic, I'm sure she would have used them. American politics - a reality show that improves season by season.
But The Guardian notes McCain's impressive multilayer wit:
What was that Bette Davis line about Joan Crawford, say nothing bilut good of the dead? Well the pack's having their commemoration, and McCain's especially fortunate someone so hateful's in the White House - everything's coming up roses, except for the daisies.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 08/27/2018 - 2:34am
You know PP, you and others have convinced me. McCain was a shit. He did some good things but the bad out weighed the good.
by ocean-kat on Mon, 08/27/2018 - 3:22am
To tell you the truth, I wasn't trying to convince anyone, not even myself - just thumbing through the photo album and these are the images that come up. Would love to smile & say kind words. Not very good with selective amnesia. One of the things I admire about Hillary - she actually *is* a good person, knows how to swallow a ton of shit and come back with kindness. I imagine there won't be near the outpouring of grief and sympathy when she goes.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 08/27/2018 - 3:48am
No, I don't suppose you were. It's just that the things closest to the top of my memory were the good things I mentioned. As I read more things I was reminded of many other things. I began to get more and more irked by all the shitty things McCain has done.
by ocean-kat on Mon, 08/27/2018 - 5:07am
I think it's more a matter of fact, really. When someone well known dies the facts of their life are often portrayed as good (amplified, turned up to 11), less than good (downplayed, if not ignored to a -1) or somewhere in between. Reasonable enough for the average guy, but a bit disingenuous when it comes to a political figure with decades of public record. Funny thing is, to me, anyway, that this particular public figure would likely prefer a strenuous debate about his life's performance over a kiss-ass goodbye.
by barefooted on Mon, 08/27/2018 - 7:16pm
Likability is in the eye of the beholder of course. I.E. I don't find Hillary at all a kind and warm type like some of you do, to me she's a very cold tough brilliant professional. (Riffing on eyes further: I suspect Bill wanted her as a wife precisely for the reason she was his opposite. not a people person like him, but much more ruthlessly rational than the friendly bimbos he usually dated. I see an anti-war lefty like, say, Lulu, equally hating her, McCain and Obama as equal ruthless warmongering monsters without feelings for non-Americans)
On the sense of humor thing and the lame stuff like the Chelsea joke and bomb bomb bomb Iran, he apologizes afterwards for such gaffes, that's the difference with some others. I just heard Tammy Duckworth on NPR tell an interviewer of her admiration and memories including a key to understanding is that he had a subversive sense of humor and that it was used to self-deprecate as much as used against others. The lamest part of Trump's supposed attack that he wasn't a hero because heroes don't get shot down is that McCain used that joke about himself for years.
Here's the main thing: a majority of his colleagues and equals greatly and genuinely admired the man. Including Hillary, see below, no hard feelings about the Chelsea joke that I can see there. To me that counts for a ton about whether someone is historically important and also whether one lived an overall righteous life worth admiring. Especially if political enemies come out at the end saying they admired you and liked you personally, egads, that is so fucking rare, an incredible accomplishment in itself.
No I don't think any of them are being insincere. They could just not say anything if they really didn't like and admire the man. But that's not what they are doing.
by artappraiser on Mon, 08/27/2018 - 6:33pm
(Riffing on eyes further: I suspect Bill wanted her as a wife precisely for the reason she was his opposite. not a people person like him, but much more ruthlessly rational than the friendly bimbos he usually dated. [...]
Yuck.
I love ya, arta, but ...
by barefooted on Mon, 08/27/2018 - 7:24pm
Lets please replace "ruthlessly rational" with something simple & obvious (Dr. Occam in the house?) like "more grounded", which is often the role women play in relationships, even for non-orphans, and even such "power" relationships as Bill & Hillary. And how common is it that skirtchasers chase skirts but settle down with someone more sensible - is this even worth noting, much less dismissing with "friendly bimbos"?
Perhaps Bill Clinton could even get an attaboy for once for making the effort to save his first and only marriage, rather than go the way of Trump, Gingrich, McCain, John Edwards, et thousands of als? I'm sure if Bill wanted to trade in for a millionaire heiress trophy wife or a supermodel/pornstar 23-year-old he could have managed - even the dalliance with Monica was the kind obviously *not* intended to threaten a marriage, unlike say Prince Charles' continuing infidelities with Camilla?
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 08/28/2018 - 8:31am
More from Obama, and from Biden (who, I learned today, knew McCain since he was his naval liason for travel in the Senate in the 1970's)
Barack Obama Reacts To John McCain’s Death: He Was Faithful To ‘Something Higher’
Joe Biden also lamented the loss of his friend: “America will miss John McCain. The world will miss John McCain. And I will miss him dearly.”
By Mary Papenfuss @ HuffingtonPost.com, Aug. 26
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 9:46pm
Hillary:
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/26/2018 - 10:27pm
Memory of McCain is benefiting from the reality of the man in the White House. The flag at the White House is at full mast. Trump has no class.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 08/27/2018 - 11:05am
by artappraiser on Mon, 08/27/2018 - 7:23pm
video of the "final statement":
by artappraiser on Mon, 08/27/2018 - 7:30pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 08/28/2018 - 4:12am