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Police officers in Rochester, New York
By oldenGoldenDecoy on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 6:32am |Good morning...
Just another day in policing land.
Tue February 2, 2021
Rochester police officers handcuff and pepper-spray
a 9-year-old girl after call of 'family trouble' - CNN
Police officers ihandcuffed and pepper-sprayed a 9-year-old girl while responding to what a police official called a report of "family trouble" in an incident sharply criticized by city officials.
~OGD~
URL:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/01/us/rochester-police-pepper-spray-child/index.html
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A lot of what they'll get rid of, but what will they do if the girl's really trying to kill herself or harm someone else? Even kids sometimes have to be restrained. What's our child approved version of taser etc?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego)
EXCLUSIVE: Infamous 'I don't like Mondays' killer who shot up a school at 16 is inducted into the Golden Girls club at age 57 in the prison where she's serving a life sentence for the 1979 shooting
By Chris Johnson For Dailymail.com19:25 31 Jan 2020, updated 21:02 31 Jan 2020
Cleveland Elementary School shooting (San Diego)
Not to be confused with Cleveland Elementary School shooting (Stockton).
The Grover Cleveland Elementary School shooting took place on January 29, 1979, at a public elementary school in San Diego, California, United States. The principal and a custodian were killed; eight children and police officer Robert Robb were injured. A 16-year-old girl, Brenda Spencer, who lived in a house across the street from the school, was convicted of the shootings. Charged as an adult, she pleaded guilty to two counts of murder and assault with a deadly weapon, and was given an indefinite sentence. As of September 2020, she remains in prison.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 7:50am
Well she was restrained. And she wasn't trying to kill herself while restrained by smashing her head on the pavement. Seems to me the handcuffs were sufficient. Did she really need to be pepper sprayed too? Seems to me that was all about the cops being impatient.
My sister adopted a boy with emotional problems. The first time I took him to a store he had a screaming tantrum when I told him I wasn't buying him candy. It was a complete surprise and I was worried he'd start grabbing and throwing candy around. So I grabbed him and held him and eventually he calmed down. I suspect the same thing would have happened if the cops just took a little time. I never considered beating him or pepper spraying him.
by ocean-kat on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 9:11am
Hopefully obviously i wasn't suggesting this girl needed pepper spray, and would think cops need more than 1 type of response. But, if someone doesn't like Mondays, watcha gonna do?
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 9:43am
to me this says it all about this case, admit I did laugh
"You're acting like a child," one officer is heard yelling. "I am a child," she responds.
from the NPR version of the story
Oceankat, your story reminds me of one of my own. After my freshman year as a college student, I babysat a 7-yr.old psychopathic neighbor every other morning while his divorced mother visited her own mother in the nursing home. Fit in before the waitressing shifts for extra money. As soon as she'd leave, I'd try to nap on the couch, and he'd do things like jump up on the dining table with a book of matches, light them and threaten to throw them on the ground. I don't remember how I handled this-all I know is that I didn't tattle to his mom and I didn't have no pepper spray and wouldn't have dreamed of calling police--I do have four younger brothers, I must used something learned from that. He was clearly teaching himself how he could manipulate adults and get attention in his own very special way...
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 2:21pm
p.s. glancing at the picture on the article, I think: would I have used handcuffs for a time out if I had had them? you betcha! same on my brothers when they would violently start fighting the minutes my parents left, sometimes I worried they were going to kill each other....never thought about that, but they sure would have come in handy!
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 2:28pm
Yeah, definitely easier when they're minors, so you can't be charged if you're their guardian.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 2:30pm
Perhaps mental health workers were needed and not police.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 9:05am
They just implemented the program...
Feb 1, 2021
Why wasn’t the Person in Crisis team called
before 9-year-old was pepper-sprayed? - Local
//snip// time to CYA
~OGD~
by oldenGoldenDecoy on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 12:54pm
Thanks
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 1:46pm
The stolen car bit sounds strange, but the police do have to be careful, silly as that seems.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 2:29pm
Mother of 9-year-old Rochester, N.Y. girl said police rebuffed her pleas for mental health help for her daughter
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/mother-of-nine-year--old-rochester-ny-girl-said-police-rebuffed-her-pleas-for-mental-health-help-for-her-daughter/2021/02/03/8d6a612a-666f-11eb-886d-5264d4ceb46d_story.html
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 02/04/2021 - 12:42pm
I was just searching Dagblog for something and I came across these links about Rochester. Overall, looking at recent history, it does seem like Rochester is not a very nice place to live, the police no doubt suck but maybe a lot of citizens do, too, seems a very violent town and lots of bad shit goes down and the government is dysfunctional:
At least a dozen shot and two killed in a mass shooting at a backyard party in mid September...the party grew in size and an argument escalated. 3 to 4 individuals got out guns and started firing ...40 rounds through the crowd lasting a minute+...
Thread on aftermath of Daniel Prude death case much earlier in the year, including video and with police "reforms" being announced in early September by the black mayor and black police captain
Church volunteers seem to be the only ones able to "keep the peace" in Sept, the rest of the folk hate the police and vicey-versa?
by artappraiser on Thu, 02/04/2021 - 11:53pm
uh huh, just did a quick google on crime in Rochester, here's from one of those "if you're thinking of moving to..." sites
of course, could be inaccurate, there's a lot of room to be inaccurate there and stay near rock bottom
by artappraiser on Thu, 02/04/2021 - 11:56pm
This Rochester?
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 2:08am
You trying to cause trouble, boss? (Rochester was too good for the Jack Benny show; Mel Blanc's Mexican stereotype character was more like the speed of his show. Oh the torture as a kid when that was the best thing on--bad memories-I think it was Friday nites?)
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 2:58am