MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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too bad all around for our country that they have to tweet this:
by artappraiser on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 3:32am
I feel the need to be blunt. An incident like this could just as easily have happened as a road rage incident in past year during the miserably hot dog days of late August and early September. New Yorkers love to hate, no despise, the packed crowds of thousands of unsophisticated tourists from flyover on "summer vacation" who march back and forth, up and down the steaming hot Times Square as if there is nowhere else in the city to go, eating at chain restaurants they frequent at home, taking selfies with the naked cowboy and the promotional mascots like the guy in the Spiderman costume selling tickets to bus tours, and not buying theater tickets because most shows were on vacation during this time, too (Labor Day weekened especially traditional to go dark.)
Now with social distancing requirements, the streets of Manhattan are terribly narrowed, restaurants have taken over lanes, there are tons more bicycles as no one wants to use mass transit, and it is much more difficult for motor vehicles to get anywhere, when it always was to begin with.
Not justifying it at all. It's horrible. Just saying I am not convinced it's about anger at "BLM" rather than road rage at the crowd. It would not surprise me if there have been incidents like this in the past and nobody even bothered to report it in a serious newspaper. Is likely it would be in the NYPost, that's all..
by artappraiser on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 3:47am
I watched this earlier this morning. Based on word usage 'plowed into', I expected to see a moving car slam into some protestors. What I actually saw was protestors blocking a stationary car, some on bicycles, and beating on the front-end with both fists and bikes before the car began pushing them a fair distance before accelerating away. I am glad there were apparently only minor injuries. And not to excuse the driver but reporting of incidents like these in a way that ignores the actions of the provocateurs and puts all the blame on their victims is not helpful. Some scorn and ridicule to discourage idiotic behaviors might actually save some lives.
We really, really need better news reporting.
by EmmaZahn on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 7:04am
Can you say, "get off my goddamn car"?
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CBh7mWXBROB/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share...
https://twitter.com/i/status/1270188797699948546
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 8:30am
Legally, it may be that the definition of plowing through a crowd is unimportant. It may come down to whether you are using deadly force if you use your vehicle against pedestrians. If the action is taken intentionally, the speed of the vehicle may not matter.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-running-over-protesters-blo/fact-check-drivers-dont-have-the-right-to-plow-through-protesters-idUSKBN23B39U
The car is a weapon.
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 9:47am
at the end of your quote
by artappraiser on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 10:10am
Did you see driver movement that was not purposeful?
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 10:12am
Before BLM, Manhattan is a weird place as to traffic and also protests.
All of a sudden now since BLM there are different rules. But before.
Protestors have to follow strict rules.I Legal protestors with a permit are often corralled.to keep them protected and to keep traffic moving and because of things like the Boston marathon bombing, so police can watch the crowd for participants who look suspicious.
I've watched more than one anti-Trump protest up close and personal when I was in Manhattan for business. The police would make them stay on the sidewalk if they were marching from Washington Square park to Trump tower. and police would accompany on motorcycles and make them obey certain crossing lights and not others so as not to tie up traffic. Once at Trump tower,. they would be barricaded across the street.
As to driving, traffic often inches one mile an hour and a driver can sit through many lights because there are so many pedestrians .
It is quite common before coronavirus to have angry pedestrians who hate cars and think they should be banned from Manhattan to hit a car with their hand when it is trying to make a left turn inch through a crowd crossing the street whien the light is going to turn and they have already waited through several lights.. Also to not complete the lett turn because pedestrians are in the way is a violation called "blocking the box", stuck in the road so vehicles cannot go on green. Of course, driver is supposedly supposed to wait until it's clear to turn left, which might be: never. And people honking behind because he's sitting and blocking the lane.
After you've lived in NYC for a while and you have taken yellow cabs, you realize that they very aggressively push through crowds in midtown when turning or they will never get where they are going, that and that they may end up blocking the box. Pedestrians do get angry but they mostly bend to let the cab through. Any practiced driver learned to do same and if that if they don't have the guts to do that, and to shrug when pedestrians get angry and slap the car, they shouldn't drive in Manhattan.
Now that there are lots of new bike lanes (also before coronavirus) and politicians supporting bike use, I have seen riders on bikes hit cars with their hands as they go past if a car waiting at a red light is so much as an inch over the line into a red light. Which can easily happen because one thinks one can go through but then traffic backs up in the intersection when the light is green because its solid cars for blocks ahead or someone is trying two blocks down to make a left turn through a bunch of pedestrians! So better safe than be sorry and "block the box" you wait through another red light a few inches into the bike lane and the bike riders start hitting the car because it is in the way.
Things are way worse in places like London where many streets are tiny old one lanes.
Manhattan traffic is ruthless and aggressive for pedestirans and drives both. Especially midtown and.especially Times Square! Cars do not go fast in midtown, they cannot, it's impossible, there are too many, 5 miles an hour at max.
I know for a fact that judges DO sometimes side with drivers over pedestrians when it ends up that there's a fist fight over a left turn...
In past times I have been in Manhattan traffic, especially around Thanksgiving, traffic is basically at a standstill around the entire island, the entire island (it's only 11 miles long and usually filled with cars,) because there are so many cars and there is an event like an illegal protest or a big accident blocking several lanes somewhere.. There were more cars all the time since the advent of Uber, as borough people started using Uber to take them to Manhattan rather than the subway.
They would have NEVER allowed the BLM protests in Manhattan to happen in normal times when the streets of Manhattan had not been abandoned as they had been for months during lockdown. Half the people that lived there went out of town and nobody with cars went there. Now that it is slowly coming back to life more people are taking their cars there because it is very risky coronavirus-wise to take the subway. Buses would take hours and hours.
by artappraiser on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 10:48am
The focus will be on the specific incidents and whether they meet the letter of the law.
Edit to add:
The vehicle appears to belong to a member of a pro-NYPD group. The group in the vehicle received a police escort to their vehicle
https://www.theroot.com/watch-nypd-escorts-pro-trump-protesters-into-car-momen-1844955026
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 12:06pm
Very very common in Manhattan: single black SUV with police escort. Means a VIP who needs police protection. Often turn on flashing lights if traffic gets slow. Could be anything from a controversial UN dignitary to Bill & Hillary Clinton to a famous author with death threats against him/her. They always turn on rooftop flashing lights when traffic stalls, like with an ambulence most other cars break to the sides as best they can when they do that.
I think this whole story is all reading too much into something that New Yorkers know was not unusual. Police and bodyguard drivers WILL get rough with pedestrians if they are blocking the way. It's a meritocracy, Manhattan, and the upper class and power people of the world (not just the U.S.) rule it. Just the way it is. Tough stuff. Not for the light of heart nor those who think everyone should be equal. Usually not protester friendly, either. Terrorists fly planes into buildings and set off bombs, not protester friendly, they don't coddle protesters, they have to have a permit and have filed a plan. They better bring garbage bags, too, there are few trash bins. Oh and there's usually no where to go to the bathroom.
by artappraiser on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 2:11pm
There were no flashing lights
Hou are attempting to make the abnormal normal.
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 2:44pm