MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE by Michael Wolraich Order today at Barnes & Noble / Amazon / Books-A-Million / Bookshop |
a reminder that Ahnold is an immigrant from Austria.
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I do think Kristallnacht is an excellent historic comparison.
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 2:57pm
Much closer to Brownshirts in the early 20's, perhaps the Bierhalle Putsch - with bad luck couldve been close to burning the Reichstag 10 years later and blaming it on anarchist elements. Kristallnacht came about 15 years later - 1938 - with Nazis at full power, on verge of launching foreign occupations, and it was extensively punitive, murderous, and effectively deprived many (most?) Jews of their property and living, setting the stage for movement to concentration camps.Sorry, we're far from that sad state of affairs.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 3:11pm
And there is the Night of the Long Knives where the Brownshirts were, uh, integrated shall we say, into the Nazi effort.
To borrow a phrase, don't spend all of your evil in one place.
by moat on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 3:45pm
Yeah, that'd be like if Trump was getting a bit legit and no longer needed Boogaloos/Proud Boys and had em taken out.
If course nothing like this has happened. Except yeah, Trump was Prez w/o a real street militia. It's only when he's fading that a bit of this futile desperate action comes out - not that he hasn't done other kinda of awful, but not specifically Hitleresque - more banana republic/robbing the tills, giving long flatulent speeches.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 5:54pm
This is why I don't think attempted coup describes what happened very well. Calling it that gives it reasoning and purpose and power it didn't have. It was an unruly mob that started a riot that was successful only because the police were woefully unprepared. A couple thousand more cops and they would have been dispersed without any trouble.
by ocean-kat on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 6:43pm
Except some cops let them slip through, which might have happened even if prepared, elsewhere they fought. And it seemed *maybe* if the more intent militia guys got quicker where they were going - perhaps tricked or held back by cops & security while most members were hustled off - they might have gotten to some Congress members, and that could have turned very ugly with different scenarios. But still we obviously don't know why this escalated w/o obvious preparations, even tho the permitted # was increased to 30k, heightening the risks and needed deployments.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 6:44pm
in the one video to me there is a suggestion that may have been tactical--I actually think it is at the beginning of the long one that you posted--before the beating one came out I was already pondering that possibility. Especially since I kept seeing more and more apparent conflicting behavior in the videos. The scene: is a line of Cap cops just standing in a row, almost at like attention, inside a corridor. And protesters are filing past them, these ones noisily but relatively peacefully. And the cops don't move against them physically at all. But they just keep repeating "you are not allowed" several times, like robots. Too strange, I first thought.!
Then I thought about other Cap cops pretty violently physically struggling with protesters to set up barricades at roughly the same time, at side doors. And others waving in lines of people at one central door.
Then I read the best "what happened" stories, like WaPo's. And they tell of a sweep of the building to get all congresspersons and their staff in the secure space before inciting more violence. And then after that, an effort all at once to get everyone in the main hall back out.
With a ovefrwhelmed too small force, waiting for reinforcements, doesn't that sound like a plan? Doesn't it also sound like the the technique of kettling used on street protesters. And trying to calm down the ones inside to keep them from really getting wild? The are not encouraging but trying to keep further chaos to ensue.
Perhaps overdoing the 9/11 comparisons, but this almost reminded me of the Flight 93 passengers plotting to takeover the cockpit. It's like, most of them teamed up in the midst of chaos and made a plan the do the best they could. Here, inflaming things further would really make things worse, especially after tear gas failed to deter many.
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 7:29pm
Certainly you go with what works. If you're outmanned, you use insurgency/guerrilla style, out-of-the-box thinking.
Like the cop's headfake that got the crowd going the wrong direction from the Senate chambers. Small diversions in such a situation are worth more than counterproductive confrontations. So this isn't about what the cops on-site did - it's why there wasn't more support staged & then deployed quickly, especially with the increase to 30k protesters.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 7:37pm
I can also conspiracize on the matter, bias verification style, as well, if you like! As soon as we start to see more and more of these photos and videos of the Cap cops acting bravely instead of videos and photos showing mostly what looks like Trumpies welcoming other Trumpies, I start thinking, why are these in supportive of what Cap cops did almost all coming out AFTER the ones that make them look bad? Like in two groups, almost!
And then on CNN they are talking about the arrested stormer Doug Jensen, how he appears to have been one of the worst major instigators and how he attacked a cop inside. And how he has been arrested and interrogated. Then they took a break and when they came back they announced and showed the beating video, stating that it was new and doing the warning that it is its disturbing but the public needs to see it. AND it was then I thought: BINGO, the FBI has leads in many citizen-offered videos of crimes against cops, they keep those in particular off the internet until they have someone in the video in custody. Because they want to get the interrogated to turn in other names in the video, but they don't want those other gusy still at large to be tipped off. After they got any names they could get from a perp, they turn it over to CNN et. al. to show the public.
That's my "story" so far. But I am not sticking to it, hah! I think it's all still a "developing." But I am sure of two things: almost everyone made wrong assumptions about the initial images. Second: I know it's common for FBI to operate exactly the way I described.
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 7:58pm
Ocean-kat, interesting that Omar Wasow agrees with us, he's calling it a lynch mob. And he's truly an expert (Asst Prof, Princeton Politics. I study protests, statistics & race). Took his time thinking about it, too, just posted this afternoon--
thread:
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 11:39pm
You don't have the occult stuff going on here in the US that was powering Nazism, but that is a thing in other parts of the world, parts of the world that people keep saying Trump has extensive ties to.
by Orion on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 6:36pm
Chris Christie comes out for "impeachable offense":
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 3:33pm
Clarence Thomas' wife, on the other hand, revealed to be way more than a lily-livered apologist, rather, she was a full-blown "stop the steal" agitator and inciter:
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 4:05pm
I thought this video was great. Xenophobia is the reason we never got Arnold as president and got Donald Trump instead, so he has every reason to not like Trump or Trumpism.
I have read through Twitter and a right wing response is that, as we speak, people are smashing up government sites in progressive Portland, Oregon. All that really shows is that we are in a zeitgeist of people (and generally young people) smashing things up. We've been there before, but the Baby Boomers were materially comfortable when they burned draft cards and held sit ins. There is a chaos and desperation going on that hippies didn't have. Case in point:
by Orion on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 6:34pm
Great speech. Thanks for the post and links.
If Trump had been reelected our democracy sword may have been melted in the fires of Trump Tower. Thanks to Joe Biden for taking on the task and successfully defeating the authoritarian demagogue and his Party of grifters, apparatchiks, nutjobs, bigots, idiots and sycophants.
Thanks to everyone who voted to rid us of the malevolent narcissist.
by NCD on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 8:20pm
Steve Schmidt says he talked to Ahnold about the video and
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 9:14pm
Bob Corker speaks (to Politico, Jan. 10) by Burgess Everett
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 10:01pm
Joe Biden retweeted Arnold's tweet of his video and it is still at the top of his feed. Arnold tweeted it 17 hrs. ago, I don't know when Joe retweeted it.
(below that Joe tweeted-5 hrs. ago--two short declarative sentences that we need $2,000 checks because $600 is not enough to pay rent and put food on the table. It has gotten 529,000 likes since it was tweeted.)
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/11/2021 - 1:24am