China has had more school massacres by 'rampage killers' than the U.S.?

    That's what this Wikipedia chart says:

    List of rampage killers: School massacres

    It's interactive, you can have the chart sort by any of the headings. If you click on "Country," it will sort alphabetically by country.

    I count

    21 incidents in China from  occurring 1995 through 2012


    17 incidents in the U.S. occurring from 1927 (yes, that's 1927 ) through 2012.

    Apparently much of the information on this chart about China is not widely known in the West. Even Wikipedia doesn't seem to know it elsewhere. For instance, if you Google for "school attacks China," what you might end up seeing at Wikipedia is this page, School attacks in China (2010–2012) which makes it seem they have just started happening in China.  That page even talks about the "copycat" factor, without picking up that there was a big cluster of these killings in China in 2004, cited on the chart page.

    The China citations on the chart are all footnoted, though many are Chinese news sources which makes it hard for those of us who don't know Chinese to verify them. But I did check the edits on the page and all prior to 2012 seem to have been put there when the page was created in June, 2011 (by a contributor with the pseudonym Lord Gen, who has now bitterly retired from Wikipedia.) Unlike with the incidents of many other countries, only the most recent incidents have links to individual Wikipedia pages with more information, but the information on the chart is pretty complete, indicating full reading of the source.

    Note the criteria for inclusion stated at the top of the page. It does seem to request that entries concerning workplace-related killings with child "collateral damage" be kept out. It's just school massacre attempts by crazies.

    If this is true, shouldn't scholars of these crimes be studying this more instead of jumping to conclusions about why it happens in the U.S. using U.S. data only? I.E.: this happens in the because the U.S. is a more violent society; this happens in the U.S. because of  how children are raised now; this continues to happens in the U.S. because of  how we have react to it; this happens in the U.S. because of video games or psychoactive drugs....?

    One can easily make the presumption from the chart that the lack of access to firearms in China makes the death counts lower. So no need to argue about that. One can also easily make the assumption, if one knows a bit about China's health care system, that mental illness is treated even more poorly there than the U.S., so there's that.

    But this calls into question a lot of assumptions that are automatically made about school massacres in the U.S. That it has to do with our special relationship with violence in society as a whole, or that it has to do with lax punishment, or that it has to do with lots of attention from the media. The latter is one assumption I have made, the "fame" factor, and now this chart has me wondering about that.... Maybe it's just pure and simple a factor of one kind of mental illness. It would take more difficult research of Chinese sources to know how much the "copycat" factor could be involved in each case, because in China the government  is known to control some of the coverage of this type of thing.

    On to a general thoughts raised by this chart. Check out how widespread these incidents are geographically, and consider the population size for each country listed in your judgments.  We are not that special in this regard as we are often made out to be, our incidents just have more damage from guns thrown into the mix. Also a suggestion: try sorting the chart by date, and you will see strong clusters (China's clusters are especially prominent.)


    Yeah, the first thing that comes to mind when comparing China to US is population. China has 4X our population.

    Your post intrigues me most because of the lazy research involved in some of the greatest newspapers in the country. 

    I will attempt at times to use the links provided in one of these factual claims and the links will lead me to nowhere.

    To further complicate our research mess, 'journalists' will just line up on some 'side' of the issue and completely ignore facts to the contrary.

    That is why this Keystone issue drives me nuts. One side says that the proposed pipeline will create a hundred thousand jobs and the other side predicts a couple hundred? 

    And what type of pollution will be created by this monumental construction? And who will pay for the damage and how will much damage would be 'unfixable'?

    Well, I think one would have to go through thousands upon thousands of pages of impact statements from many different sources to even touch upon this issue.

    Oh well, just thinking out loud I guess.

    Yeah Richard, China actually has 4.2 X our population, 1.344 Billion vs 0.314 B.

    If you add up the deaths, at Wiki, I get 56 in China, 182 in the USA.

    China would have to have about 764 dead to equal the USA. In other words the death rate from 'school massacres' in China is less than 8% of that in the USA.

    I guess Artappraiser shouldn't wear out her puzzler on this one.

    Not really getting the point here. Sorry.

    21 incidents in China from  occurring 1995 through 2012


    17 incidents in the U.S. occurring from 1927 (yes, that's 1927 ) through 2012.

    How many of those incidents happened just in the last twenty years? Wouldn't that show that this rare phenomenon has actually happened more often recently due to some factor or another?

    I think alot of people are freaked out by all these shootings because they're not just happening in schools. If they were, you could say it has something to do with modern children in this country. They are happening in movie theaters, parking lots, homes, anywhere people and guns are at.

    Protecting Schools: China Knife-Attacks Continue As Authorities Beef Up Security

    By Michelle FlorCruz, International Business Times, March 30 2013

    Shanghai’s government took steps to tighten security at local schools, which have been frequent stabbing spree targets by disturbed individuals in China in recent years, after a knife attack near an elementary school left two dead and 11 injured.

    According to China Daily, the stabbing took place near the Jinhui Elementary school in southern Shanghai. A man in his late 40s identified by police only as Zang was accused of making the attacks. Zang was eventually subdued by a crowd of passersby that used bricks and clubs to overpower him. Police are still investigating whether or not Zang had a history of mental illness.

    The two fatalities were reported to be the suspect’s sister and her mother-in-law, both of whom were killed in the women’s apartment before the stabbing spree. Of the 11 people who were injured, six were reportedly children from the nearby school. The young children suffered head wounds that were not considered to be life-threatening.

    Now, Shanghai authorities hope that additional measures around schools will help protect the nation’s youth from future attackers.

    The Shanghai Daily reported that the city’s education authorities announced that beefing up security on those entering schools would be at the core of the new plans. [.....]

    The new measures are likely to be well-received as knife-attacks have become more frequent in China in recent years [.....]


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