Souljahing On

    By PeraclesPlease on Sat, 04/09/2016 - 2:41pm |

    Bill Clinton let loose on some rather rude protesters, and perhaps rightly a number of people came to his defense, even noting that it's a shame the Sista Souljah moments have passed.

    But it's still a huge shame we have haven't passed our police brutality moments. It's still a shame we haven't risen past either economic injustice or entrenched racial divisions. Bill, ever wily, seemed to realize you don't win by skipping over the next generation without becoming irrelevant, even if you're right.

    While the arguments of the campaign have descended into qualified/unqualified soundbites, we're missing real opportunities for deep discussions of issues. Gotcha over Panama Papers is less important than how do we harness a fair share hidden, often corrupt or rigged international commerce? Aside from glib rebuilding-inner-city pronouncements, how do we codify black progress for clean water, fair access to the ballot, and protection from police and security guard abuse, not to mention economic and health security and job opportunities. The GOP assault on access to abortion facilities is largely undiscussed, with no strategy in place. While Iraqis fortunately have made progress against ISIS, I don't see a US Democratic direction that addresses the crazy Syrian/Turkish/Kurd/Russian/Iranian/ISIS imbroglio. Instead it's back to pathetic worries over whose feelings were hurt or who went over the line.

    Hint: campaigns should go over the line. That's how we get change. Feelings should be hurt, norms and expectations should be shattered, complex new problems should be addressed and solved in the half-assed compromise reality demands. Progress. To paraphrase Michael Moore, "Dude, where's my campaign?" More content, less apologizing.

    Comments

    Or this. Or this.

    Rude protesters? As opposed to what?

    God, I am sick to death of Bill Clinton. I cannot figure out what it is you see in him or his presidency.


    by kyle flynn on Sat, 04/09/2016 - 5:36pm

    2 overbaked articles ignoring the context and the disaster of Bush, and I should wilt? So povertyand crime were okay in 1993 and the welfare situation was as it should be, and a few murders here and there were acceptable. Better than changing anything. Feel better? Oh, and Al Gore's just like Bush. One of those flippant lines that no one ever paid for, just all of us.


    by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 04/09/2016 - 6:11pm

    Nope. Just offering an alternative to the narrative that we should just leave it to the Clintons and everything will be hunky dory. What's over baked are your fantasies about how great the nineties were. And jesus h. We need a rule. Enough with the "you think there is no difference between the democrats and republicans" meme. It's quite possible to be disgusted with both parties for entirely different reasons. Just because I think they both suck doesn't mean I think they're the same.


    by kyle flynn on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 1:18am

    Internet ate my homework.

    Used to people claiming Hillary same as Trump or Republican Lite, same meme.

    Yes, Clintons acknowledge not allsolutions worked well, but black-on-black murder down by 2/3, black poverty down by 1/3, black home ownership way up, but then people say it would have happened anyway (as if Gore didnt push internet initiatives, and as if even doing nothing wouldnt have been preferable to the Bush years.). Clinton did no-fly zones instead of invasions - cheaper and less problematic by far, though insufficient in Rwanda.

    Whatever, I was happy withthe 90s and would be happy with something close, except for fixing some of the entrenched racial problems.


    by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 4:31am

    All right then. Don't stop thinking about yesterday.  It'll soon be here.


    by kyle flynn on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 11:40am

    & Don't Stop Believing.

    & Don't Stop till You Get Enough.

    & Keep it comin' Love (dont stop it now)

    70's party...


    by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 11:47am

    Nuthin like a Sunshine Band reference to get a guy psyched up for a Sunday.


    by kyle flynn on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 11:54am

    Please Dont Stop the Music

     


    by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 12:19pm

    Hint: campaigns should go over the line. That's how we get change. Feelings should be hurt, norms and expectations should be shattered...

    Yes.  And I hate that so much of the left seems ot have adopted the notion that speech should never ever be offensive.  Bill is wrong, of course, as he was wrong with Sistah Souljah, but it's important for people to say what they mean out loud so we can deal with it.

    But then there's another issue, which is that both Bill and Hillary remain hugely popular with black Democrats. Yugely popular. Is an entire portion of the left deceived or are the priorities of black Democrats simply not what white liberal Democrats think they are (or, with ironic condescension, ought to be).


    by Michael Maiello on Sat, 04/09/2016 - 7:13pm

    Very interesting question! I suspect the priorities of black Democrats are not what white liberals think they are, or should be.

    I, for one, believe in compromise, and when both extremes leave the table not completely satisfied, but feeling like they got the best they could get, it was a successful negotiation.

    Neither extreme can possibly get their "revolution" and leave the country whole, and I just don't see a way to divide the country along geographic lines that match up with the ideological ones. 

     

     


    by stillidealistic on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 7:01am

    I'm a white liberal.  Here is what I think, in relatively rough order, the priorities of black Democrats are. 

    1) Jobs. 2) Healthcare. 3) Education. 4) Housing. 5) Racism. 6) Police brutality. 7) Poverty.  8) The Environment. 9) Terrorism. 10) Immigration. 11) Taxes. 12) Reparations.

    Basically they're exactly the same priorities as I have.  The question to ask we all must ask ourselves which candidate shares our values and is going to fight for them  and which will not.  A very sizable majority of black Democrats, and many posters here, answer that question differently than I do and that's all.  Black Clinton supporters, like all Clinton supporters, think Clinton will be better on these issues.  I am trying to persuade them that they are wrong.  Some of them are trying to persuade me that I am wrong.  That's democracy.


    by HSG on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 10:21am

    Basically they're exactly the same priorities as I have.

    Don't ever change, Hal.


    by Michael Maiello on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 10:56am

    Putting snark aside - which for you evidently is impossible. Do you have a disagreement with what I wrote?


    by HSG on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 10:58am

    Okay, totally without snark, of course I don't disagree with a word of what you wrote.  When I want to know what black liberals are thinking, you're the authority I appeal to first.


    by Michael Maiello on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 11:22am

    As another white liberal I'm not really sure why we're having this conversation seeing as how the priorities of black democrats are exactly the same priorities as white democrats. But this is just one person's view and I could be wrong. I think it would be helpful if all the white liberals on this site would put out their list of the priorities of black democrats. Comparing the lists of all the white liberals, looking at the similarities and differences in the lists, would give us a clearer picture of the priorities of black democrats.


    by ocean-kat on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 11:46am

    Oh it's clear enough, no discussion required. I'll put up my blacksplainin post shortly so y'all dont have to bother.


    by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 11:52am

    We could just all tell black liberals what to think, secure in the knowledge that if they're rational, they'll think it.


    by Michael Maiello on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 11:56am

    The post to which I responded argued that white liberals condescendingly believe they know what's important to African-Americans.  Playing along, I - a white liberal - set out what I believe is important to African-Americans.  My worldview counsels that our similarities are far more salient than our differences.  If I'm wrong, I'd love to be corrected.  That's why I put myself out there.


    by HSG on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 1:57pm

    Very brave of you.


    by Michael Maiello on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 2:31pm

    More snark.  The chattering class uses cynicism to cushion itself from the unbearable reality that so many Americans face and to discredit those advocating meaningful change.   This also justifies supporting candidates who will maintain their privilege.


    by HSG on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 3:29pm


    by Michael Maiello on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 4:15pm

    I agree Michael. That's why I'm hoping rmrd doesn't interject himself into this important discussion by white liberals of the priorities of black democrats. This is really the time for him to listen and learn so we white folks can help him get a deeper understanding of the priorities of black democrats.


    by ocean-kat on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 3:12pm

    I'm literally eating Pop-Secret (tm) as I read this 


    by rmrd0000 on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 3:04pm

    I'll do whatever I can to help you along our liberal journey.  If you need to know what to think, don't be afraid to email me privately!


    by Michael Maiello on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 3:23pm

    I'm waiting for him to whitesplain our trustfund concerns, suburban wasteland syndrome, pressure of expectations as CEO and repressed bowling angst. I expect he'll understand the double-edged sword of the silver spoon.


    by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 4:12pm

    StillIdealistic wrote: "I suspect the priorities of black Democrats are not what white liberals think they are, or should be."  Do you believe (s)he is right?  If so, in what ways?


    by HSG on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 3:30pm

    Given the difference in voting patterns of white and black democrats in this election cycle I suspect the same as Stilli. Some have speculated, especially in the wake of Sarandon's comments, that black voters are more risk adverse than well off white liberals. Perhaps they place greater weight on the endorsements of prominent black leaders. Perhaps Sanders focus on the economy without, at least at first, a recognition of the effects of racism is a factor. Perhaps blacks are looking more at a consistent pattern of working for and working with black communities over many years rather than the current promises and policies of someone relatively unknown. I don't have enough information to do more than speculate therefore wouldn't consider making a list.

    We are both pretty far left white liberals. You do realize that your list of the priorities of white liberals would differ from mine don't you? For example Climate Change and environmentalism would top my list.


    by ocean-kat on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 4:02pm

    I agree with the World Economic Forum that the two greatest problems we face as a species are inter-related - economic injustice and global warming/ecological collapse.  In order to forestall the latter, we must address the former head on.


    by HSG on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 4:22pm

    The Uberfication (or Uberfucktation) of the American job climate is more alarming than earlier McJobs and WalMart greeters - it's employment at whim with arbitrary conditions, and while Uber has some cash flow, most similar companies don't. How do millenials and older manage a career when the whole structure isnt even for the good of stockholders, but Venture Capitalist unicorn chasers. This race to the bottom isnt going away, so one question for politicians is how to structure worker protection and portable benefits over a lifetime of company gouging and vicious cost-cutting. Growing jobs is a different mission than it used to be.


    by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 7:28am

    It's an interesting situation. We chatted with an Uber driver at home (Cali) who said there is no way you can make a living as an Uber driver - not even a meager one. It's an adequate 2nd job, that's all.

    We're in Barcelona, and our private taxi driver said Uber is in Madrid right now, and coming to Barcelona in the next week or tow, and they are scared of what it will mean to them.

    These "gig" jobs are just not good if you want to own a home and raise a family. If you are young, single and wanting to barely keep a roof over your head and eat every once in awhile, maybe. 

    It's a scary deal to me, but I value security.


    by stillidealistic on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 7:53am

    Gotcha over Panama Papers is less important than how do we harness a fair share hidden, often corrupt or rigged international commerce? Aside from glib rebuilding-inner-city pronouncements, how do we codify black progress for clean water, fair access to the ballot, and protection from police and security guard abuse, not to mention economic and health security and job opportunities. The GOP assault on access to abortion facilities is largely undiscussed, with no strategy in place. While Iraqis fortunately have made progress against ISIS, I don't see a US Democratic direction that addresses the crazy Syrian/Turkish/Kurd/Russian/Iranian/ISIS imbroglio.

    Solid.

    Most of the rest of the political debate is tripe. 


    by quinn esq on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 11:11am

    The interaction that Bill Clinton had with black protestors in Philadelphia is no different than some black people have with Black Lives Matter. Ray Lewis is a former Baltimore Ravens linebacker who remains active in the community of Baltimore. He and others ask why BLM does not focus on urban crime. The discussion is nothing new to black people. Sanders will get no traction from Bill's tirade, because most have family members who have had their own tirades about urban crime.

    Edit to add:

    Other than Michelle Alexander, I have not seen a big pushback of Bill's comments in black media .....yet

    Sanders is an unknown in the Black community. When blacks talk to relatives in the Northeast about Sanders, they get a lukewarm response rather than a vocal endorsement. Sanders was too arrogant to reach out to the black community until he needed their votes. Sanders will champion the ideas that he has always championed. He will focus on economic issues believing that improved economics will solve issues of race. He has no track record to show that this will truly be the case.

     


    by rmrd0000 on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 12:38pm

    Jezebel talked with the protestors

    http://jezebel.com/bill-clinton-reached-peak-white-mansplain-in-a-face-o...

    ... And critized his "apology"

    http://theslot.jezebel.com/bill-clinton-is-almost-sorry-for-being-defens...

    The site suggested Bill be taken offline

    http://theslot.jezebel.com/hillary-clinton-should-stop-letting-this-ramb...

     


    by rmrd0000 on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 12:47pm

    Yeah, because obviously calling people who get kids hooked on crack and murder people "thugs" is Bill referring to all black people. Glad Jez set us straight.


    by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 1:10pm

    One small point here is that the protestors who confronted Bill are not associated with Black Lives Matter although they support the loosely knit organization.


    by rmrd0000 on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 2:07pm

    Yeah, no one's quite speaking for them as a whole, certainly not Jezebel. Still worth the discussion, but starting with "murderer" signs probably isnt the way to productive dialogue, and afaik Hillary's already opened quite a lot of dialogue with the black community, including body cams and other issues related to police abuse and agreeing mass incarceration was a bad outcome, so what a ropeline confrontation helps is a question. Rather than pounding Hillary on 1994, why dont theu get her to commit to ending marijuana penalties and police frisking pedestrians and car passengers for drugs, alonwith new police codes on brutality?


    by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 2:36pm

    Dude, I'm with you for your piece up top... But after the frying Bernie took for not dealing with race sensibly, I'm, you know, a bit less inclined to wash away Bill's errors. 

    I just find this whole argument tiresome, that somehow Bernie is a big bad racist and HRC is fine, because... whatever. Serious people, who are serious about race, can believe that confronting economic equality is critical to improving black lives. To me, it's that simple. Neither of these two are uncaring, or unaware, or unserious about race. Let's just focus on how they think we can improve things, right? 


    by quinn esq on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 5:05pm

    Bernie's problem is that his first exposure to the larger African-American community was by downplaying the importance of race. Economics was the cure all. The problem in that is that he has no track record with the black community to put weight behind his words. No one believes he can accomplish what he promises. The other issue is that his surrogates including Cornel West, a man who went overboard in criticizing President Obama. We next learned that Bernie opined about a Primary challenge to President Obama. When Hillary won South Carolina, Cornel West essentially called black Civil Rights icons out of touch. Sanders had a deep hole to dig out of when it came to familiarity in the black community. There is no trust.

    When Bill Clinton ran, he had people like Vernon Jordan who vouched for him. Despite decades in Congress, Sanders had no widely respected black surrogates to vouch for him. The majority of black voters are very pragmatic.Talk is cheap. When Al Sharpton ran is the radical candidate, he could not even win in the black community in New York City. Black activists in Vermont criticized Sanders because racism was not an important issue for him. Black voters in neighboring New Hampshire voted for Hillary.

    We will see if Bill's interaction with black protestors changes votes in New York and California. To my knowledge, one called Sanders racist.


    by rmrd0000 on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 5:38pm

    I don't ding Bernie for race except that he's focused on the last-gen econ model when the police abuse model is trending, this year's model. Confronting economic equality is important, & I was fine with Cornel West's poverty tour in 2012. But 2015 was a pretty awful year for police abuse, and that doesn't have so much to do with jobs & banks as it does with vindictive racists with a badge overlording their power on people with dark skin in a defenseless position. So the econ side looks out-of-touch this year - it'll be back as the retro model next year.

    And as Danny notes, they're trying to ding Bill for the 22 years ago model. Yeah, it had big flaws, and no one's defending it except for "the best we knew how to do at the time", but what's the point? You pointed out how crappy 1993 Hillarycare was in retrospect, but at the time it was consensus state-of-the-art with too much respect for HMOs.

    How about we discuss Gerald Ford and "Whip Inflation Now", or Jimmy Carter and the oil embargo or dig into why Humphrey should have been the candidate in 1972. And I think I remember him saying the word "predator". Kosovo was pretty half-assed hedge-your-bets, but roughly got what we wanted done without another land war in Asia Europe. Short of ethnic cleansing, short of true democracy, it split the baby. Sometimes splitting babies is a good goal, ignoring mothers' objections and all.


    by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 5:46pm

    I guess at this point in life, I'm not much interested in arguing that the economic disasters of the last 30 years, the incredible inequality, the dumping of costs on the state and the fleeing of big money, aren't at the center of what we need to tackle. Yeah, sure, vindictive racists with badges need to be stopped. I doubt I've ever said a word against that. But somehow, the way the Dem debate is playing out, well, funny y'know. HRC manages to sidestep that issue because Bernie's not harsh enough on racist cops. It's political gamesmanship, and I'm not sure everyone involved doesn't see it. 

    Not buying. 


    by quinn esq on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 9:17pm

    Fair point, but...

    Hillary and Bernie agree on a financial transactions tax, which will do a lot of good.  I credit Bernie with bringing her around to the idea, but she did come around.

    Hillary has supported changing the capital gains tax schedule to define long term investments at three years, rather than one.  I think that could have a much more dramatic impact than the transactions tax, if you want to encourage longer term investments. She brought that idea to the table. It's a good one.


    by Michael Maiello on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 9:46pm

    Watcha mean, we got a rulebook, dagnabbit. We dont need new solutions & problems. Find an existing one that works. Will Bernie support drones and boots-on-the-ground on Wall Street? She can call him weak on terror  finance.


    by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 04/11/2016 - 12:40am

    People who don't feel the Berne, view Sanders as all hat and no saddle. He has the "right" things but stumbles when pressed on how to accomplish his goals. The general response is that the GOP will somehow magically fall into line or that Bernie has long coat tails and will usher in a sea of Democrats, even though he provides no financial support for downstream Democrats.

    The objection to Sanders is not that he is a racist or that he is a Socialist. The objection is that a Sanders is incapable of doing anything because he has no structure.


    by rmrd0000 on Mon, 04/11/2016 - 8:11am

    RMRD - you prefer Clinton obviously.  Can you identify any specific executive actions that you expect her to take or legislation that you believe she will successfully champion that Sanders would not?


    by HSG on Mon, 04/11/2016 - 8:22am

    I prefer Clinton because she is trying to build structure to get things done. She is trying to build support in Congress and possibly flip the Senate. Bernie is doing nothing. I have explained the reason for my preference repeatedly.

    You have pondered why blacks support Clinton. Let me ask why some white Liberals are so forgiving of Sanders on the issue of race? You were supplied links that noted that black activists in Vermont felt that Sanders was dismissive, New Hampshire black voters preferred Clinton. John Lewis didn't know Sanders. Why didn't Sanders have significant support from blacks in Congress? Is your contention that Congressional blacks have been bought off by the Clintons? Does Sanders himself have any responsibility for his poor performance with black voters?


    by rmrd0000 on Mon, 04/11/2016 - 9:05am

    The reasons you support  Hillary are the same as mine.  I am also hearing more and more about Sander's explosive temper and lack of cooperation, as well as his lack of responsible behavior, none of which bode well for someone sitting in the White House.

    Barney Frank agrees with us.

    :http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/interrogation/2016/03/barney_frank_is_not_impressed_by_bernie_sanders.html


    by CVille Dem on Mon, 04/11/2016 - 10:03am

    Sanders needs to be pressed on how he expects to pay for his revolution. He needs to admit that Obamacare will be on the table for dissection to accomplish single- payer. He has to explain his votes for the useless F-35. He has not gone through the wringer like Hillary.


    by rmrd0000 on Mon, 04/11/2016 - 10:27am

    So you can't or won't identify any specific legislation or executive actions that Clinton will pass or take that Sanders won't but you support her in part because he didn't reach out to your community and he disappointed some African Americans in Vermont and because you say "she's building structure to get things done".  Okay that's fair. 

    I have not repeatedly questioned why a majority of blacks support Clinton.  I am disappointed by the fact but I understand it and have set out here reasons that I think many blacks support her including most members of the Congressional Black Caucus.  I have not denigrated Hillary's black supporters the way you have denigrated Cornel West and dismissed Danny Glover and Harry Belafonte.

    I'm Jewish and there are many Jews who don't like Bernie Sanders but I'm still voting for him. I vote for the candidate who I believe will be best for poor, working, and middle-class Americans and the environment.  I have no doubts that Bernie Sanders is that candidate in this election.  I asked you to set out legislation or actions that you believe she will push for or take that will be better than what Bernie will do because that's how I decide who's best - the one who acts in ways that improves the lot of poor, working, and middle-class Americans and the environment is the one who's best. 

    Perhaps you can identify specific salutary changes that will result from the structure Clinton is building.


    by HSG on Mon, 04/11/2016 - 12:13pm

    You repeatedly ask, what I think that Hillary will do that Bernie won't. I repeatedly tell you that I don't believe Bernie can get elected. Asking what Bernie will do is like asking if I want to travel to Vulcan via impulse engines or warp drive. I am not getting to Vulcan either way. Sanders can't explain is own programs. Sanders cannot explain how his single-payer health care plan will get passed.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-false-charms-of-bernie-sande...

    He will wilt in the run up to the general election.

    You keep asking why I don't support a man who can't explain why single-payer failed in his own home state but will be deployed nationally.

    I expect Hillary to be able to take on Cruz or Trump. I expect a leftward shift of SCOTUS because the racist Scalia is dead. I see Hillary as the rational choice because I see Bernie going down in flames like Dukakis and McGovern.

    Asking what Bernie will propose is ridiculous because Sanders is not electable.


    by rmrd0000 on Mon, 04/11/2016 - 12:51pm

    Thanks.


    by HSG on Mon, 04/11/2016 - 12:42pm

    This nomination process has gone on forever. The 24 hour news cycle combined with the social media realities of today's politics has worn down all of the candidates. I see it in the weary faced answers the candidates give at every stop around the way. I don't know it Bill Clinton is capable of answering the questions protestors my have in a way that satisfies them. I've been very critical of Bill Clinton over a number of things, but it seems awful rich using 20/20 hindsight to critic decisions made in real time 22 years later. This has the potential to get worse.

     

    Great post! 


    by Danny Cardwell on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 3:15pm

    That'll teach us to run old farts for office. Next election will be 22-year old millenials as candidates, clean slate, no history t dredge through. What could go wrong?


    by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 4:35pm

    I agree.  On balance, I'd prefer a much shorter election season.  But, if it's too short, wouldn't  better-known candidates have an insurmountable advantage?  Could Obama have won in 2008 if voters didn't have months to get to know him?


    by HSG on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 4:50pm

    I certainly don't mind people now, who have to live with the consequences, criticizing the decisions made regarding crime in the 1990s.  But... the time after the crime wave is really different for a lot of people. Context is important.


    by Michael Maiello on Sun, 04/10/2016 - 7:31pm

    Some Progressives like to cast Sanders focus on economics as the "solution" to racism. Black voters on the other hand feel the impact of racism at a variety of levels independent of income. Racism is not simply manifested as police abuse.

    Race impacts the amount of pain medication you receive after an injury

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-false-charms-of-bernie-sande...

    Race impacts access to employment

    https://www.chicagobooth.edu/capideas/spring03/racialbias.html

    Race effects access to home loans

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/31/nyregion/hudson-city-bank-settlement.html

    The reason Sanders got early pushback because he did not focus on race is because acknowledging the impact of race is a matter of life and death in the black community.


    by rmrd0000 on Mon, 04/11/2016 - 1:13pm

    Economic injustice/wealth and income disparities aggravate racial tensions.  More equal societies tend to be less racist and oppressive and to make strides against these scourges.  It is no surprise that the Civil Rights, women's rights, and environmental movements all saw their greatest successes when American society was most equitable.

    Heightened racial tensions in Obama's America are a foreseeable consequence of an ever more economically unjust land - one in which African Americans have fallen farther behind.  http://www.blackagendareport.com/obama-legacy-black-child-poverty.


    by HSG on Mon, 04/11/2016 - 1:58pm

    Wow, blackagendareport, my favorite go to site. Perhaps you can focus on a country that promotes economic equality, Cuba. 

    Racism in Cuba has been discussed for decades

    http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2010/07/racism_is_alive_and_well...

    The reason that Sanders could praise Fidel is because talk of racism is suppressed in Cuba

    From the Root

    http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2010/07/racism_is_alive_and_well...

    From the NYT

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/24/opinion/sunday/for-blacks-in-cuba-the-...

    From Al Jezeera America

    http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/8/13/amid-sweeping-changes-in...

     

     


    by rmrd0000 on Mon, 04/11/2016 - 2:51pm

    NUDE PROTESTERS?

    Oh, rude protesters.

    Never mind.

    hahahahahahah

    I do love barenaked ladies of course.

     

     

     

     


    by Richard Day on Mon, 04/11/2016 - 6:48pm

    So I'm looking at the LATEST COMMENTS section to check if anything new has come up and I see Maiello's comment "1) Extending the length of" and your comment, "NUDE PROTESTERS"  I'm thinking, finally! Some useful techniques to help with a...... ah, particular problem I'm dealing with and some freaky porn to practice them on. Dagblog is really improving. Turns out not a single bare naked lady in your vid at all. Kinda disappointing.


    by ocean-kat on Mon, 04/11/2016 - 9:42pm

    Hi Ocean!

    Barenakeds was a hoax.

    I read that the band attempted to get this gig and the owner told the manager:

    We don't allow that kinda stuff.

    hahahahaha

    The manager had to go out of his way to inform the idiot that the band consisted of all guys who kept their clothes on. hahahahah

    Good Canadian fun all around.


    by Richard Day on Mon, 04/11/2016 - 11:07pm

    No, good Canadian fun involves seals in all sorts of inappropriate poses. Nothing that would fly on a US stage, short of a freak Vegas-OceanWorld mashup. OceanKat needs a strap-on to get him through the extended Debbie Downer portion of the campaign. Going limp across the finish line isnt good enough - needs some skin in the game, some sort of major political thrust. The Democratic avatar *is* a donkey, after all, but we only seem to be hung *up* like a mule - a significant semantic difference.

    PS - for nude protesters, seems Ukraine & Russia's the place to be. I don't get it - too damn cold. They'll freeze their placards off.


    by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 04/12/2016 - 5:16am

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