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    Corporate America Breaks Up With The Middle Class

    American businesses are breaking up with the middle class.  This won't be news around here, though it might stir up some controversy over at The Daily today.  In my column this week I looked into some of the potential implications of two big changes in American business.  They used to rely largely on domestic middle class consumers to make their profits.  This was true even in the 1990s, when the main effect of globalization was overseas exploitation in order to sell cheap goods back home.  But it's not true anymore.

    For one thing, the rich are now so rich that even though they are few in number, they're incredibly powerful purchasers.  The top 10% by net worth account for 50% of annual consumer spending.

    The next change is the increase in purchasing power by growing middle classes in emerging markets.  Back when I was young, GM might look to open a factory in Mexico in order to sell cheaper cars to Americans.  Now, GM wants to open factories in China to sell cars in China.  That's good for GM, presumably, but the benefits that get passed on to Americans in the form of jobs and higher wages are quite, shall we say, muted.  Indeed, with that initiative, GM is doing far more for China than it is for America.

    I find these conundrums really interesting, and I'm just starting to explore answers for them.  From a moral standpoint, I believe that we do have an obligation to others around the world climb out of poverty.  To that end, the actvities of U.S. multinationals abroad are at least acceptable.  But what happens when a big American company has to decide whether to devote resources to Ohio or Sao Paulo?  We know for sure that Ohio doesn't always get the nod.  Heck, it might not get the nod most of the time.

    The U.S. has basically outsourced its the development of its hard and soft infrastructure.  There's really no national plan at work, it's all just the mish mash of decisions made mostly by large corporations and the smaller companies that they do business with.  Cities are planned not so much by governments but by who wants to put up what building, and for what purpose and with what aesthetic.  To some extent that works when all the big companies want to make things in the U.S.  But there are definitely consequences for America if our largest companies start thinking that the future of Hong Kong means more to them than the future of New York or Los Angeles.

    I think that ultimately the government is going to have to step up to fill the void left by corporations who are not so keen on building America anymore.  I don't mean to sound apocalyptic and this isn't an economic forecast -- the counter argument to this is that the lower 90% who are the other half of consumer spending are worth more than $4 trillion a year to these companies.  The U.S. economy is still the single largest, legal protections here are good and the best, or at least most influential, employees at these various companies still seem to prefer to live here and not under the dictatorships of Singapore and China.

    But I still think it's time we faced the fact that the days of just kind of letting companies pursue their interests and reaping economic development as a sort of byproduct are over.  It may well be that all economies go through this.  As the middle class gets richer its needs become more specific.  Jeffrey Sachs writes about this in Commonwealth.  At one point in development what's needed is more and cheaper food and employment in a more efficient agricultural economy.  Those are big things and you can see how private interests building irrigation and transportation systems or manufacturing equipment can make that happen just by doing what they do.  It's after that, where America is now, when you need social safety nets, retirement security, cradle to grave access to health care and the like that the problems get to complex for the market to simply handle by accident.

    What I see is American companies saying "to heck with all of these complex American problems that I can't fix, that guy over there just needs me to sell him a tractor."  And so they do.

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    If GM is opening a plant in China to make cars to sell to Chinese people, it isn't necessarily a benefit to American workers but I don't see how it hurts us. OTOH, if GM starts making cars and parts in China like Apple makes iPads, pays workers $100 a month for 60-80 hour work weeks then moves products/components made by those workers back into the American consumer economy (often duty-free) ... it decimates us.

    America has had most of the social nets you imply for decades - if not generations.  The problem, for the most part, isn't that American society is having difficulty solving a set of brand-new social needs. The problem is that the top 10% has rigged the system so they no longer participate in funding the infrastructures of a society from which they have managed to steal all the economic resources.

    Corporations that sell tractors are going to sell them where corporations that buy tractors are purchasing all the agricultural land for mega-farming and duty-free export. Often "that guy over there" must hope for a donated tractor from someone like Chavez, as such equipment is priced for the corporate market which few in the local-economy agricultural classes can afford beyond the oligarchical families ... at least that's how it was working in Honduras leading up to the Zelaya saga (which seems to be typical of how globalized agriculture is working out).


    Excellent points all.  On GM building factories in China... I suspect it does hurt us, in a world of limited physical and creative resources.  Where's the company's focus?  Where is it sending its best people?  Where is it hiring?


    That takes sort of a zero-sum view of things I don't entirely agree with. I'm not seeing a serious dearth of creative people (although if there is a 1:1 relationship between creativity and college maybe this plays into the educate-our-way-out-of-no-jobs strategy) and aside from "peak oil" questions it doesn't seem like raw resources are much of a problem. In a properly aligned global economy, couldn't such an expansion mean additional opportunity for highly skilled GM employees to handle planning, management/integration, engineering, etc as new corporate divisions are formed?

    The hiring part is the interesting question, really. And that's to my point about the purpose of the Chinese factories. Production hiring would, of course, be weighted to China. No matter what. Of course it would be better for American workers if GM made everything here and put cars on a boat and sold them there. But it seems if we are really looking at finite global resources that sure isn't very efficient.

    If the project were a case of creating local factories to handle local demand in China, while on some esoteric level the fact that more production jobs would be created there than the types of jobs created in America could be construed as a negative - the entire project should be a net positive for American jobs. Having increasing demand in China (and capturing revenue from it) should not negatively impact demand in America or jobs servicing that demand ... unless ....

    ...we allow them to bring the stuff back in to America to compete with products made in our economy without equalizing protective tariffs; putting Chinese-made GM cars on a boat and bringing them here. Then we are simply facilitating the closure of GM's American factories and replacing them with factories that benefit from defacto slave-level wages.

    I can envision a set of policies that include a strong globalist component that could be highly beneficial to the economies - and, more importantly, the populations ostensibly serviced by the economies - of both nations. We don't currently have such policies. An idea that allowing corporations (and select governments) to mine the wealth/regulatory differential between nations will somehow equalize wealth disparity is asinine on several levels - and that appears to be the underlying premise driving the current globalist theories. It is ultimately an act of self-consumption - self-fulfilling the prediction of America's declining  purchasing power. That seems every bit the ponzi scheme as our housing bubble.

    One big problem is that as today's economists define an economy - things are actually pretty damn good. Their tools are almost exclusively designed to create exactly these conditions for the wealthy - all else is supposed to automagically happen from there. Krugman (for all my criticism of him) seems to have done some of the only work examining legitimate positive benefits to national economies (and for the citizens in said nations) of targeted protectionism when applied to helping establish nascent systemic domestic industries (e.g. automotive) under pressure from dominant global competition. Like all economists, in his approach to the issue the lot of an individual is all but irrelevant to the "big number" that represents the total value of the "economy" - temporary benefit to individuals is just a happy byproduct during a single step toward the inexorable holy end of maximized growth and gross domestic efficiency.

    But if we were to, just for a moment, imagine that such an isolated happy byproduct were the true legitimate purpose for a national economy ... an extension of how I'm interpreting Krugman's work would seem to have implications for a much more sane national approach to globalization.

    The research/modeling would have to be done utilizing a better set of assumptions/metrics for what constitutes "national economic health." But I hypothesize in a world of many competing national markets such research would reveal that an equalizing tariff type approach with free/preferred-trade type agreements only between economic/regulatory/etc. peers would result in far greater economic parity (both within populations and between nations) compared to the current, clearly flawed, approach. Perhaps with tariff credits for corporations that provide employment opportunities with US-Dollar Prevailing Wage Equivalent pay/workplace safety/hours/benefits/etc. within third-world economies ... thus REALLY creating an empowered middle class in those nations who would be economically capable of consuming our exports as well.


    US-Dollar Prevailing Wage Equivalent

    I like that idea, maybe that would be a worthwhile goal?

    Stopping the race to the bottom.


    The cycle happens with, say, Chinese consumers, too. There have already been violent strikes for higher wages. But they still have a long way to go to reach our standard of living and cost of same.


    Yes, the standard for "low wage work" is also falling.  I hear even Vietnam is finding it hard to compete on that score.


    America has become a colony to be exploited for our mineral resources  our timber, our agricultural goods. 

    When the people conclude Capitalism is NOT Patriotism, maybe we can keep these colonizers from taking advantage of us.

    If GM wants to build a plant to sell cars to China, go for it, we wont begrudge other nations the opportunities to grow.

    Just dont expect to bring it to our shores without a price imposed.

    If GM wants to sell cars in America, then they better be made in America.

    No Foreign content without a price imposed.

    Making American goods cheaper for Americans, than buying foreign goods.  


    Destor, the fact that you guys aren't enraged right about now pretty much tells me the US middle class is doomed. It just reads to me like "deer-in-headlights" time - like watching a nation with no sense at all of how hard it's being hit, or what to do about it.

    Take GM in China. It's not providing its US workers with jobs making cars. Or its American supply chain with jobs. It's investing its scarce capital overseas (remember, this is the firm you guys - and Canada - just bailed out.) It has absolutely no need to repatriate its profits and pay taxes in the US, unless and until it wishes to. Chinese firms will pick up GM's know-how on the cheap. And thus, you'll create and improve your own competitors. They'll have the latest technology, the organizational know-how and the local firms to drive it, the supply chain, the surplus capital for further investment, the economies of scale, the skilled workers.

    And GM will have made some temporary profits, which they handed on to the 10% who won their shares. By 2020, kiss those goodbye.

    Global firms can do quite well on a world where 10% of the people have oodles of boodle, and the other 90% are slugs - built to do the dirty work. Many of the world's countries function that way today.

    The US seems to have forgotten that it has to fight to do things differently. 


    Investment capital isn't scarce (by any rational metric). The financial sector is sitting on a trillions they refuse to invest - hell, our economy appears to consist of little beyond uninvested capital at the moment. But yeah. The idea sucks. I'm not sure the arc for GM's profitability as a corporation is destined to go the way you imagine; but the rest of it seems about right to me.

    Who says we aren't enraged? We just fucking bailed these assholes out ... theoretically to save American jobs ... and now they want to start production in China and then re-import the vehicles? SCREW THESE PIECES OF CRAP! And screw the policy makers who enable them.

    We're so pissed that if Romney gets the nod I really think he can beat Obama at this point ... and Obama appears to believe he can fix it with more corporate contributions. Frankly, I'm starting to wonder if Bachmann could beat him. That wouldn't be possible if Americans weren't incensed on a level that goes beyond bitching.

    Obviously I don't think Romney would make a damn thing better (but neither will Obama). However, a Romney win could cut time required for another shot at a decent president from 2020 to 2016 and empower Democratic opposition to Republicans carrying out a corporatist agenda. Democratic centrist corporatism would likely be on the ropes institutionally should the philosophy lose the WH on the heels of the 2010 disaster. This might at least give the faction of Democrats with a decent policy sense and some measure of spine a legitimate shot at wresting power in the ensuing 2014 intrapartisan battle royal ... which may be the best outcome America can hope for in 2012.

    We're not exactly looking at a ton of good options on the short-term political solution front here.

    It does sort of seem like riots and such would be expected at about this stage in getting totally screwed-over. The number of people relying on food assistance is even more troubling than the number of unemployed. My suspicion is if the GOP manages to cut off the food stamp money all hell will start breaking loose. When people begin to progress from hungry to starving, things will start going very badly for society.


    Don't look now, but the House Republicans seem to be taking a stab at it, cutting millions to the Supplemental Women, Infants and Children program.  This says that hundreds of thousands of families will be cut off the program.  The program provides dairy and other agricultural products to pregnant women as well, and had (I believe) two years ago added vegetables to the list of approved items.  My daughter's family has benefited for years from it. 

    These cuts are necessary in their eyes.  (I can't finish this thought.)  Were it to pass the House, it would not pass in the SEnate, but the move is so disgusting, I thought I'd post it.  I believe the stats say that one in four American kids are either hungry almost hungry; the food insecure term is bullshit and distorts the facts, IMO.

    I saw video on World News or somewhere last night of the third and most bloody riots in Greece; the folks on the street were warring with cops spraying tear gas directly at them, and were undaunted.  The DOW lost close to 200 points.  The anchor said it was because of Wall Street's 'fear of economic contaigion'.  I think she was wrong: that the fear is that against all odds, Americans might finally get that pissed and fight back.  Oh, I hope that people will protest, but not with violence.  That never goes well.  And the agencies in this country have all their plans in order to try and make sure it doesn't happen here without enormous cost.


    GOP Poised To Cut Food Aid For Pregnant Women, Children

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/14/gop-budget-food-aid_n_876528.html

    End the Wars,… End the Non- wars

    Quit giving Foreign Aid?

    America is broke……….Broken morally; when the most vulnerable are cast aside. Where do the poor glean the fields?  How do they get there?

    Look at what happened in Arizona.

    Jobless benefits extension fails; special session ends with no action

    "They're willing to crucify their constituents on the cross of ideology," said Farley, D-Tucson.

    The inaction stunned Tim Schmaltz, who closely follows legislation for the Protecting Arizona's Family Coalition. Schmaltz

    "What the hell do you do?" he said of those losing benefits. "You beg at food banks. You turn into a beggar."

    Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/azelections/articles/2011/06/13/20110613arizona-jobless-benefits-extension-fails-brk13-ON.html#ixzz1PRLFNsto


    Yeah; I'd read about Arizona cutting off unemployment from an Arizonan's recent diary at my.fdl.  I suggested he ask his Dem Rep. if there might be any arcane rules by which Brewer, since she seems to care, could make an end run around the Legislature.  He did; haven't heard back.  But so much power lies with knowing the rules.  Like 'reconciliation' in the Congress.

    For all of me we could cut the almost $3 billion to Israel; next largest is Egypt, and they can use it if it's used well.  Foreign aid is 1% of the budget, 2.2% or close if you only consider the 'discretionary' parts of the budget.  If it's used right, it cheap at twice that.  Polling finds that most Americans believe it's about 25% of the budget, and asked what would be fair, they name 10%.  We are a generous nation.  ;o)   Except to our own.

    Too many Republicans are 'pro-life' until those little fetuses are actual children then 'fuck 'em'.  Let 'em eat...nothing.


    The attitude around Arizona, is put them to work in the parks, like some CC camp and the workers living in tents, or WPA program.

    They keep reminding me that 20% of the people pay all the taxes 50% on welfare, 30% barely paying the taxes for their own support, leaving the other 20% to pay for all the lazy.

    It’s terrible in Arizona; a Right to Work State, and apparently a Right to be Anal

    The geezers around here, are always telling me about the Great Depression, as though it was a badge of courage; and how it's time the New Generation to learn about toughing it out. Money doesn’t grow on trees. They remind me there was no government assistance and they all survived.

    It doesn’t matter that Arizona benefits are some of the worst,

    All they can say is “90 some weeks at $1200.00 per month, with food stamps and all kinds of bene’s

    They say maybe they all should stop working and draw this good money, let someone else work and pay the taxes ?  

    They are galled that people don’t even have to get up and dressed to report to some welfare office to pick up the check. It gets sent straight to the recipients homes,

    "lazy, cant even get up out of bed or away from the TV" is always their reply

    They tell me all the time “Show up at the CC camp, ready to work then you’ll get a check,. Oh that’s right the Unions have those jobs”   

    Then a few of My Union friends have one hell of time, convincing them that it was Unions that made the middle class  

    Then they start in with their praise of Wisconsin's Walker. "Government workers should not be Unionized, they're taking the jobs the unemployed should do, or as you well know, the illegals have taken up the slack in whatever Jobs the American unemployed could have done" 

    You cant even get the unemployed to get in the bus to go clean up along the highways, they are not allowed. Evidently a liability issue? Or a DOT workers issue?  

    They make a choice illegals or the American unemployed. 

    The old timers on fixed incomes dont want higher taxes and they feel Unemployment benefits raises their taxes. Get rid of the Unemployed problem, put them to work FIRST before offering illegals the job.   

    You and I both know; Unemployment is not lazy, but they get these wild ideas.


    .  I think she was wrong: that the fear is that against all odds, Americans might finally get that pissed and fight back. 

    Market facts support the opposite conclusion.  Money was moved yesterday from stock markets and foreign invesments and currencies to U.S. treasuries and the dollar, showing faith in the U.S. as the most stable bet as Europe boils over Greece. And this morning many investors are also going back into the U.S. stock market after positive reports on housing starts and unemployment claims were released.


    This might at least give the faction of Democrats with a decent policy sense and some measure of spine a legitimate shot at wresting power in the ensuing 2014 intrapartisan battle royal

    Maybe. But I could just as easily see an Obama loss as discrediting ALL liberal policies in the eyes of the public which, after all, doesn't parse these things closely. Certainly, an Obama-Fail has been the one big strategy the Republican party has been pursuing and counting on since 2009.

    Very few people will see an Obama loss as a sign that he didn't go far enough. That's not how most people's minds work unless they're paying very close attention, at least in my experience. They look at the big labels, the big movements. They don't (mostly) get into the weeds of policy. "Obama...liberals...didn't know what to do about the economy...we still have high unemployment...that's hope and change for ya...the people rejected them...let's get back to basics with a party offering 'common sense solutions.'"

    And then, with Romney at the helm what if things improve--as well they might. In fact, they might improve because Obama's policies took longer than expected to work or because one party would no longer be blocking every single piece of important legislation, as is happening now. Regardless, the big take away will be that Romney--and his policies and philosophies--pulled success from the jaws of an Obama and liberal economic failure.

    And losing an election will simply cement their views on the substance of policy. Americans don't like losers. They like winners. If you can't get elected or hold on to the office, then most people don't care about the fine print.

    Samuelson wrote an interesting Op-ed in WaPo the other day where he said that one of the big casualties of the crash was people's faith in economists' claim to know how the economy works. ALL economists.

    If they weren't so scared, this shake-up might open their minds to new ideas. But in the current situation, I think it's throwing them back onto what they "know." Things like "too much debt is a bad thing." Things like "when you lose your income, you have to cut back." Stuff that "makes sense" to them even if it's wrong.

    Republicans are very, very, very good at appealing to this common denominator level of thinking.


    Democratic centrist corporatism would likely be on the ropes institutionally should the philosophy lose the WH on the heels of the 2010 disaster.

    I doubt that.  I think a '12 presidential loss would get blamed, by the Democratic corporate conservative "centrist" faction, on too-liberal Obama spending and stimulus policies that didn't work--the same argument the GOP presidential nominee will make for '12.  Right now no one with any mass media presence whatsoever is pushing back on that argument.  It's a freakin' vacuum right now. 

    In fact, with the GOP race now underway the part of the public that is paying any attention is getting led more and more in that direction through sheer force of repetition and no counter-arguments or alternative views and proposals it is hearing.  The part of the public paying attention to politics now may be higher than usual at this point in an election cycle because the economy is so bad, because so many people are desperate, and because there does not appear to be a plan to bring about better results for them any time soon.

    If Obama were to change course again he'd have moved from favoring stimulus to favoring austerity to favoring stimulus again.  Doing so would tax the political agility of the most skilled politicians we've had.


    Maybe we can get Obama to step aside just as Weiner? 

    He has let his voters down, .He has embarrased US, the right hates him.  The mans economic plan has failed.

    Move over and let Sanders deliver us from this bad economy. .

    We've tried the centrist corporate way, now as more and more of the electorate wonders about our future, Sanders can give us a direction to ease the coming pain. The shared sacrifice of a country on the ropes.

    Obama FAILED  why do we need to give him another term?

    Maybe this is a good time to make term limits apply to all, even the President.

    Whatever your're going to get done you better get it done quick, you dont have another term to jack us around. 

    Then when Obama wins this next go around, and the country is still in a malaise, we progressives can say WE TOLD YOU HIS POLICIES SUCKED, when are you going to listen?

    Hang on to your money progressives, that is if you have any, this economic system based upon a corporate model will fail. The economy is based uopn an illusion, There will be no relief for the middle class.

    The bankers knew this, thats why they wanted to be bailed out, the system they made is crumbling. It is only the dumb peasants who believe and trust the government.

    A government who sold out and destroyed the essential pillar of support of their continued existence  WE THE PEOPLE meant something. The Government made the mistake of taking the people for granted, The Tea party knows; the progressives know, Greek workers know Coprorate interests are screwing the middle class. 

    Why should we save their bacon when they couldnt give a crap about ours?  

    It wasnt written WE THE BANKERS   

    Then we'll give the corporate masters the backlashing they deserve. 

    Obama: "Where else you going to go, tell us were listening" (Like really listening as in domestic spying. They know were pissed and they dont care)

    As others have stated before when the banks were about to go under there was an urgency. Now having saved the banks; the people are going under.

    Well folks it's obvious there is no urgency.

    Why is that? .

    Just hang on to your money, watch who you're investing with.

    Remember Money talks, support those who support you.     


    I imagine that is exactly what they'll say. It's the same thing they said after 2010. It would be kind of unexpected for them to just roll over (and I am not entirely confident the progressives would prevail in the end). Corporatists would probably fight like a rabid wounded badger to keep control (likely by offering to allow progressives to put together an election-winning platform/rhetorical approach for them again while trying to maintain control of the purse strings and nominating process to ensure the platform is never promoted should nominees take office) ... especially if a fringe candidate like Bachmann or Paul were to win and definitively put the ball in the Dem court for 2016. But truth is Democrats have followed the exact course promoted by so-called centrists in most every instance, so that argument would be total bullshit.

    In the end, only Democrats will be deciding who maintains control within the party. If liberals were to prove unable to assert controlling influence after the results of corporatist centrism had decimated the party, it would be time for liberals to move on. At that point there would be no viable argument for them to continue to support the Democratic party. Losing consistently after promoting conservative policy *should* kind of blow the "we have to be conservative to win elections" excuse out of the water - kind of turns it in to "we have a shit-ton of money and want the Democratic party to promote conservative economic policy; fuck off you DFHs and get to the phone bank!"

    Switching away from something unpopular doesn't take much political dexterity at all. Previous positions wouldn't change that; people are generally downright magnanimous when you do what they want. Some in the public groused a bit over stimulus (sort of), but tons of people are downright PISSED about so-called austerity measures. Regardless, Obama himself will likely not be switching course for as long as he holds power.


    Capitalism has no nationality and thus no patriotic sense at all.  The rich are loyal to themselves alone and use their citizenship to protect their holdings and exploit tax loopholes.  So really, there is no conundrum as to why capital has abandoned the United States and her workers both blue and white collar.  Because profit is the only thing that matters and human decency is a drag on profits it is clear the rich can get richer quicker by investing in other nations.  This is a fundamental breech of the social contract that was forged long ago between America's upper classes and the rest of us.  They provide jobs at decent wages so we can feed, clothe, house and educate our families, get medical attention when needed and enjoy a reasonable portion of the fruits of our labor while we are alive.  In return, workers would work hard, obey the rules, respect the property rights of the wealthy and provde the labor necessary to fight the nation's wars.  The upper classes have now torn that contract asunder and have withdrawn on all their obligations to those who made and keep them wealthy while wanting to hold all of us to our portion of the contract.  What a load of crap that is!  If they aren't going to honor their obligations in the social contract then workers are released from their obligations as well and are free to pursue and demand a new social contract that will forever protect the rights of the commnon people and suppress the greed and selfishness of the wealthy and powerful.


    More specifically, corporations have no national loyalty. 

    Many of the uber-wealthy and the people who run large corporations in particular want to have all the benefits of having a country with a legal system that protects their property rights and provides a court system that will do that, that provides physical protection (not a given; see oil companies in Nigeria), that has stock markets that are regulated and not regulated in the ways important to them, that permits them to fire workers trying to organize unions with slap-on-the-wrist penalties for doing so at worst, that in some sectors enables them to privatize profits and socialize their losses, that looks the other way while they use Cayman Islands bank accounts to avoid paying taxes, etc.

    The great thing about the current situation for transnational corporations is that they get to use relocation (or use the threat or fear of same to increase profits at the expense of living wage compensation for some of their workers) to pay the vast majority of their employees a far lower wage than they would have to pay otherwise, shop for the weakest environmental laws and the dictator who will most obligingly use the police powers of his state to provide physical security and make sure they get lenient regulatory and tax treatment if not outright subsidies for locating there, etc.  They are remarkably, and increasingly, adept at avoiding paying taxes but of course love the vast benefits that the US and state and local governments, and the taxpayers who pay for them, make available to them.

    Some deal.

    You're absolutely right--the social contract, such as it was for a time, is weak and increasingly under duress in this country. 

    I don't see that social contract as inherently something our society can offer--it is all contingent on how much wealth we can collectively generate (better education and training system, better infrastructure, R&D), and whether we have a culture that insists on sharing it more than we do, among other factors (let me know when you figure out how we make that happen).  And it isn't as though the contract was formed as the result of some consensual social process (which you weren't saying in any case). 

    Two critical factors were essential to its modern-era formation. First, nothing was given to the masses or ordinary people.  Ordinary people had to organize unions, consumer advocacy and other organizations, and form social movements in order to advocate effectively against intense and entrenched opposition to bring about more widespread sharing of prosperity's benefits, and society's potential benefits more broadly.  

    And second, the heyday of what we might call the US social contract was in the post-WWII era, when much of the world was flat on its back, rebuilding after the war, and the US had unquestioned economic supremacy.  That obviously just is not this world.  All that is up in the air going forward, depending on how good of a job we do organizing ourselves as a society to meet the current economic challenges.

    The era of what passes for a US social contract might more appropriately be seen as something of an aberration rather than the norm.  The social fabric in this country, the sense of an "us" being "in this together" is really extraordinarily weak and has very limited scope (a few days or weeks following 9/11 or Columbine or Oklahoma City or Tucson, short-term relief efforts following natural disasters).  Many individuals function on a day to day level as though they are one with Margaret Thatcher when she said there is no such thing as community (beyond friends, family members, and possibly their neighborhoods or towns at times)--only individuals.

    The question is whether that situation will/can change for the better, whether we can to at least a degree come together with inventive and effective social responses, not just inherently limited individual efforts--as was to a significant extent the case during the New Deal era under the exceptionally gifted and skilled leadership of Roosevelt (that should also probably be seen as an aberration, not the usual case or something we can ever think is likely, let alone be able to count on when the need is there). 

    Or whether it's going to be an increasingly dog-eat-dog situation going forward in this country, as it has been for several decades now, where more and more citizens give up on the social project of trying to make the society work decently well for as many people as possible, where that is part of how ordinary people think about political life and decisions they make.  

    The forces that want the latter, or see it as inevitable in the human condition, or at any rate have no problem with it, are numerous and powerful.  The forces that want the former are presently not well organized, fragmented, and largely ineffective.  And they (we, as I count myself among them) have a huge uphill climb against the current zeitgeist still largely deferring to laissez-faire wild west US-style "capitalism", notwithstanding Katrina, the Gulf oil spill, the financial meltdown, etc.    


    "From a moral standpoint, I believe that we do have an obligation to (help) others around the world climb out of poverty."

    And corporations are helping us achieve that goal by lowering the average salaries of Americans and raising the average salaries of foreign workers, thus allowing the lines which delineate world-wide poverty to become murkier.  And by allowing American workers to creep closer to what used to be defined as poverty and raising the salaries of foreign workers closer to what we used to define as the middle class, we can create a common worker sub-class which will know no boundaries, and will, (possibly), make hiring Americans more attractive to corporations. So, hooray for business, because their helping workers in foreign countries actually means they care about us. Yes, they like us, they really like us, just not enough to pay us a living wage in the country in which we live ... but never mind that.  Like the old joke; "The scale says I'm a perfect weight ... if I was a foot taller,  I earn a living wage ... if I lived in Pakistan,

    (the preceeding was brought to you by sarcasm) 


    Thanks Destor .

    I'm late to this so I'll keep it short

    It's not American business.It's just business. It's owned by whatever selection of investment trusts which  happened to buy the shares sometimes in the past and haven't yet found it was in their interests to sell. They are completely indifferent to the welfare of the US.

    Countries go up and countries go down. Smarter people than I  can  explain why. I just notice  that it happens . It was hard to believe it would happen to you  if you were a Roman Senator, Venetian Merchant, or  Victorian Duke. But it did . And will to us.

    Maybe under the scenario you've described.Correctly , I think.

    Inevitably all production must drift away from the US.

     Some to any emerging nation that can provide security and a $5/ a day work force ,Any management that refused to outsource to Fivedollarsadaystan would be replaced  by the shareholders . Whatever their nationality.

    .Some  to China which will simply insist that if you sell in China , you produce in China..

    There's a theoretical solution. Tariffs.

    The virtue of protection is, it does the trick.

    Keynes

    Perhaps uniquely the US could maintain its standard of living  if it broke off all relations with  the rest of the world  tomorrow. Wish them well. Welcome them as tourists Visit them ourselves . Just don't do business with them.

    It was called Isolation in the 30s and it carried with it a lot of right wing baggage..

    What would Ron Paul do?

    Could it be that's  what it would take :a Tea Party victory.?


    Could it be that's  what it would take :a Tea Party victory.?

    Yeah could it be, thats how we have to go, in order to get our sovereignty back.?

    Obama and the Democrats in order to not be outdone by the Republicans, have essentially accepted the ideology that debt is bad.

    Maybe the moment the Dems see Rand making progress they'll conclude. the only way to maintain control is to outdo Rand.

    What else can we do, to stop the Corporate enslavement. The Corporations can't be anything else, but what they are.

    I am reminded of the old tale of  the Scorpion and the Frog "You knew I was a scorpion, when you decided to carry me and put me on your back"  

    Or the woman  who felt sorry for the almost frozen rasttlesnake,and how the woman  found out to late, the snake was ungrateful.   

    Corporate power is ungrateful, It serves only themselves and WE KNOW THIS. 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10WFobBSd0s&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RyPicPxM3M

    "Take me in ol tender woman, take me in for heavens sake ....cried the snake"

    "Oh shut up silly woman, said the reptile with a grin

    you knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in."

     


    Some equilibration of wages is inevitable, sure.  But neither the extent nor the pace of it are.  Nor is the relative degree of sharing of benefits, burdens and risks of the economic transition.  The top 10% or so are doing better while everyone else is treading water, hanging on by a thread, or has fallen off the cliff.  The current dynamics are intensely destabilizing politically, as we observe every day.  They have greatly weakened the quality of our republic and will continue to do so unless and until there is an effective response that reinstills the faith of most Americans in their political system and in the basic premises of American life. 

    The gross power imbalance and warped public agenda we see today, including the almost complete lack of any sort of countering response during this monumental transition period, is a measure of the degree of domination of the political agenda by corporate America.  It avows, and grossly violates whenever it suits its purposes (socialism for the privileged few, capitalism or a weak safety net for everyone else), right-wing premises that have blown up in our faces again and again in recent years--Katrina, Gulf oil spill, financial meltdown most obviously.  So far the manifest failure of those premises has not led to the needed correctives and adjustments.

    All of the above is why we need a government committed to the well-being of ordinary Americans.  Ordinary people--people who are not independently wealthy or wealthy enough to survive intense economic shocks to their lives--can adjust to negative changes that are gradual.  Today's GOP is committed to fast-forwarding the current economic dynamics, while at the same time also destroying both public and private economic security cushions.  The response of Democrats on economic policy, among elected officials, has been one of timidity, surrender, or me-tooism (many elected official Democrats being relucant to confront or stand up to powerful corporations, others apparently intellectually persuaded by the conservative Republican worldview on economic policy or unable to formulate better alternatives they are willing to fight for) from some, and heroic underdog efforts in other cases, coming from many of the party's progressive elected officials in Congress. 

    David Brooks had a column the other day where he said the 2012 election is about who has the best response to American decline.  I do not want my party to accept, or show through its body language, a narrative of national decline.  I think that is politically lethal.  But beyond that it is premature, still.  Had this country made some good policy decisions since circa 1980--made investments in all of our people, modernized our infrastructure, intensified R&D, at least slowed down otherwise irreversible negative trade dynamics so as to ease the transitions, avoided the ruinous Iraq war--we'd be in better shape.  Still challenged and under intense pressure, but in better shape.  You're right that all empires or dynasties or dominant powers eventually decline.  But those that make good decisions hold up better, for longer, and are less likely to suffer complete collapse, but rather transition to a different, undominant, but still decent place in the global order. 

    One thing I give Obama credit for is that, however inadequate the substance backing it up is, his WTF SOTU motif is a needed message.  Ordinary Americans fear and sense decline even when they are not personally experiencing it.  But they are going to be reluctant to vote for candidates, especially presidents, they think are resigned to that and generally prefer the candidate best able to project optimism, nonverbally as well as verbally.  We do need to organize and fight, in the sense of making long-term, sustained, prosperity-enhancing commitments, for a good future for our country--or at least the best possible one. 

    Right now we as a society are figuratively trying to fend off a herd of rampaging rhinos with popgun policies, shackling ourselves far more effectively than any of our competitors ever could.  From an economic security standpoint, this is hurting the overwhelming majority of Americans, who make up most of the society, who are not benefiting from long-term economic dynamics, who are unable to secure special privileges for themselves through political influence, and who are increasingly vulnerable if they have not already had their lives collapse around them.  But right now they have no power in the political system.  Nor do they have anyone with a major megaphone speaking for them.


    From an economic security standpoint, this is hurting the overwhelming majority of Americans, who make up most of the society, who are not benefiting from long-term economic dynamics, who are unable to secure special privileges for themselves through political influence, and who are increasingly vulnerable if they have not already had their lives collapse around them.

    And  even this vulnerable position is occuring under a deficit which at some point has to be reduced.


    Corporate Power Ideology  Rule or Ruin

    Get it all while they can, the foundation is crumbling.

    But right now they have no power in the political system.  Nor do they have anyone with a major megaphone speaking for them.

    There's a megaphone yelling  "dont panic folks, there's plenty of lifeboats, everythings under control "


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