MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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The Portland, Oregon, fire department has refuted President Donald Trump’s claim that the “entire city is ablaze all the time.”
“WE ARE NOT ABLAZE IN PORTLAND,” Lt. Rich Chatman, the public information officer for Portland Fire & Rescue, wrote in a text message to CNN reporter Daniel Dale after the president made the remarks at a Monday press conference. “There is a very isolated pocket of demonstrations that have involved fire, none of which have been substantial enough to need more than one fire engine.”
Demonstrations calling for racial justice have taken place in Portland since the May 25 police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis, but, according to Chatman, fires at protests have largely been “inside dumpsters or trash cans and away from structures.” Chatman did acknowledge “a handful of incidents that involve direct attempts at starting a building fire,” but emphasized that they involved “a small group of demonstrators.”
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by artappraiser on Wed, 09/02/2020 - 3:41pm
Summary sentences of essay by James Ross Gardner (a writer based in Seattle and the former editor-in-chief of Seattle Met magazine) for NewYorker.com, Sept. 1: The Inevitable Tragedy of a Summer on Edge in Portland
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/02/2020 - 3:58pm
The post was related to Trump's statement that Portland was ablaze all the time
The Portland fire department official says this is not true
Given that he is a public official, so let see what Politifact concludes
Politifact says Trump's statement is FALSE
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/sep/01/donald-trump/we-are-not-fire-authorities-dispute-trumps-false-c/
Trump made a false statement that led his supporters to enter Portland armed and firing paint guns
A Trump supporter was shot, there is a suspect. I haven't heard that he has been r
Trump lied. Portland is not ablaze all the time.
The Mayor is moving to provide is neighbors with peace. He should not have to do this because of a small group of protesters.
No one should have been shot during the protests. We need details.
We need accurate information to keep groups from coming armed into a situation
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 09/02/2020 - 5:37pm
I think we all know Trump exaggerates. But at what point does looting and burning buildings become a problem? How many buildings have to be set on fire, how many looted before it's seen as serious? I've seen reports of several dozen buildings looted and burned? That's not the entire city and it's not all the time but that seems significant to me. The public information officers's response would be better if he included objective data. How many buildings have been burned or looted? What is the dollar value of the property destruction.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 09/02/2020 - 6:11pm
Here is a link to the timeline provided by the Portland police.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PL1hHNB5FTeoZzRjJ5Kon0w0MEyDDxmV/view
Trump exaggerates? A caravan of trucks showed up.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 09/02/2020 - 6:41pm
ONLY TRUMP CAN STOP THE CARNAGE IN BIDEN's AMERICA..!!!!!
by NCD on Wed, 09/02/2020 - 7:36pm
A bit louder, Brother
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 09/02/2020 - 8:28pm
ssssssush, you are supposed to get on the partisan bandwagon and spin news politically back at Trump's lies, and ignore or dispute the fact that some protesters in Portland are protesting against Democratic government handling of police and other things, that they don't like how Democrats run government anymore than they like Republicans.
Infer instead that fire dept. of Portland loves all the protestors!. They are no problem, they love em, just minor fires.
Everything is fine and dandy and all Dems love the protestors an all protestors love Dems, one big happy big tent party.
No such thing as anarchists, not there, don't talk about them, all lies.
Because: Trump.
(And some wonder why largest party affiliation is "Independent?" Maybe people don't like having to chose between little lies and big lies?)
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/02/2020 - 7:18pm
It is not partisan to say that Trump is the biggest threat to the United States of America
Trump: "You have people you haven't heard of pulling Biden's strings"
Trump: "There were thugs in gear on a plane headed to Portland/Seattle to create havoc."
People dying because Trump hasn't addressed COVID
Trump is actively suppressing votes
Trump, for some reason, is hiding his taxes.
Those are the biggest threats.
Sorry that you lack focus.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 09/02/2020 - 8:30pm
Trump backs Islamaphobe Laura Loomer
Trump backs a QAnon candidate
Trump supports people who arrive armed in truck caravans
Trump told his supporters to vote twice (absentee and in-person)
William Barr, the AG, supports Trump's voting plan
I am very satisfied putting my attention on Trump.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 09/02/2020 - 9:00pm
pssst if I were you I wouldn't bring up the Islamaphobe thingie because right now Trump and Laura Ingraham (as well as Al Jazeera and many Muslim-Americans) are making great hay on Twtter about Joy Reid still not apologizing for "Islamaphobic" remarks as demanded by Rep. Omar & Tlaib yesterday.
Keeping up which way to spin in order to help your favorites is a full time job.
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/02/2020 - 11:33pm
Sorry that you lack focus.
We know all you care about in this type of discussion is if we think Biden is better than Trump and whether we're going to vote for Biden. You made that absolutely clear on the excellent article lulu posted. But most of us here are interested in a deeper conversation with more nuance and complexity. Every one here, even I who doesn't intend to vote, think Biden is better than Trump so we need to focus a bit deeper than that if we're going to have any dialog about it at all here.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 09/02/2020 - 11:22pm
The really strange thing has always been the very simplistic preaching to the converted, without any sense of irony or sarcasm. I find it insulting to the intelligence of the members here and have said so before.
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/02/2020 - 11:35pm
You posted:
We have an election in about 60 days. The focus needs to be on pointing out Trump's flaws. In the larger scope of things, the protesters are a side issue. Biden has put out ads condemning violence at protests, The protests are occurring in Trump's America, It is likely that another police shooting will happen before the election. It is possible that there will be protests after that possible shooting. Stating that the protesters should stay home will have zero impact.
Trump will pour fuel on the fire, I take a rational, partisan approach to the best solution. The best solution is obviously the election of Biden/Harris. Trump visited Kenosha to praise his armed paint ball shooting thugs. He talked about antifa type thugs on an airplane and his supporters voting twice. Those protesting police violence are not the clear and present danger. I see the danger as an authoritarianism government.
I posted the words of an information office with the Portland Fire Department and the findings of Politifact on the scope of the protests. As long as Trump is in the White House there is no nuance or in depth discussion to be had. I will remain on the partisan bandwagon because that is the wagon with the wheels not coming off.
You often talk about COVID, and how police shootings are a distraction. Trump wants millions to die achieving herd immunity. He also wants to test a vaccine Russian style, before the proper sequence of testing. If you really care about COVID, you would realize that protests after police shootings are not going to stop. If you care about COVID, you focus on the guy trying to kill us, Donald Trump.
The Bidens are headed to Kenosha tomorrow to talk to Jacob Blake's family. Donald Trump refused to meet with the family. I see Biden trying to calm the waters while condemning the violence. When I read an article detailing all things things Biden has to do to distance himself from the violence of the protesters, I laugh. I then turn the focus back to the guy who created the mess, Donald Trump, who cheerleads wingnuts with guns.
We can deal with the protesters during the fall chill and winter snow, or after the election, if a competent team is in control.
I don't see how you cannot be partisan.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 09/03/2020 - 12:52am
Seattle Man Charged with Civil Disorder After Shooting Portland Firefighter with Ball Bearing
Department of Justice, U.S. Attorney’s Office. District of Oregon
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE, Wednesday, September 2, 2020
by artappraiser on Sat, 09/05/2020 - 3:10am
The Portland protesters sure do seem to have this thing for fires, tho. From
DayEvening #101:Like someone's mom said, all fun and games until, like, maybe California for instance Explosive device used at gender-reveal party causes fire and mass evacuations in California
A fire that has destroyed over 7,000 acres and forced the evacuation of 3,000 residents was caused by a "smoke generating" explosive used at a gender-reveal party, according to the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. "With the dry conditions and critical fire weather, it doesn’t take much to start a wildfire. Those responsible for starting fires due to negligence or illegal activity can be held financially and criminally responsible," the statement said.
Video via @SBCOUNTYFIRE
by artappraiser on Mon, 09/07/2020 - 2:57am
Gender reveal no longer PC however
("it's a Ze, Mrs. Walker, it's a Ze." "A Hir! A Hir! A Hir!" - from the Who's updated rock opera, "Toomi")
The Guardian:
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 09/07/2020 - 3:25am
Yes, you have a jump on it, apparently it's not just the P.C. police coming after the gender reveal parties, but the police police too:
(and thanks for the Toomi cite!)
by artappraiser on Mon, 09/07/2020 - 6:52pm