Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’

By rmrd0000 on Thu, 09/03/2020 - 6:30pm |

I dislike Trump, but I hope he is not this disgusting

When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that “the helicopter couldn’t fly” and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true.

Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.

From the April 2020 issue: The president is winning his war on American institutions

Belleau Wood is a consequential battle in American history, and the ground on which it was fought is venerated by the Marine Corps. America and its allies stopped the German advance toward Paris there in the spring of 1918. But Trump, on that same trip, asked aides, “Who were the good guys in this war?” He also said that he didn’t understand why the United States would intervene on the side of the Allies.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/

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Story is an "exclusive"; they have this promotional blurb on the Atlantic page for another article I just posted

Exclusive: President Trump has repeatedly disparaged the intelligence of service members, and asked that wounded veterans be kept out of military parades, sources tell The Atlantic.

by artappraiser on Thu, 09/03/2020 - 10:21pm

Also I just now ran across this, he has hear about it and bashes it:

Trump tells pool reporters the Atlantic report is a “disgraceful” story that’s “either made up” or from people he “couldn’t get rid of them fast enough.”
— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) September 4, 2020

by artappraiser on Thu, 09/03/2020 - 10:24pm

this is very moving - Ike and Cronkite - a President at the opposite moral pole from the sorry excuse for a human currently soiling the White House https://t.co/MY9MBO4Cx8
— Simon Schama (@simon_schama) September 4, 2020

by artappraiser on Thu, 09/03/2020 - 10:30pm

Story is touching a lot of major centrist and non-partisan-oriented people, I am seeing more tweets like the Eisenhower one--here's another example:

President Truman welcomes injured World War II veterans at White House garden party, 1946: #WHHA pic.twitter.com/n1033nRrDF
— Michael Beschloss (@BeschlossDC) September 4, 2020

This is a very important and exquisitely reported story by an eminent journalist, @JeffreyGoldberg. We all know what's reported here is true; and those who know Trump know it most of all. https://t.co/qs9pU7Ncik
— Peter Wehner (@Peter_Wehner) September 4, 2020

Trump is apparently going crazy on Twitter trying to counter it (it's not exactly a "MAGA" meme, is it?)

See he’s lying about what he said about McCain in the SAME SENTENCE that he swears he didn’t say this new thing. So, a little tough to give him much slack. https://t.co/IPaYbHEg5p
— David S. Bernstein (@dbernstein) September 4, 2020

by artappraiser on Thu, 09/03/2020 - 11:26pm

It it sad, but the comments are not considered out of the range of the possible

He criticized John McCain

He ridiculed a Gold Star family

Trump's denials of this story are not credible.

by rmrd0000 on Thu, 09/03/2020 - 11:06pm

Confirming key jarring details: Trump frequently called U.S. soldiers “losers", didn’t understand why the U.S. placed sought to find soldiers missing in action because they had, in his view, performed poorly and gotten caught @ColbyItkowitz @AlexHortonTX https://t.co/gwtEAdrsyf
— Carol Leonnig (@CarolLeonnig) September 4, 2020

by artappraiser on Thu, 09/03/2020 - 11:31pm

Biden responds to trumps callousness about fallen heroes and those injured and maimed in war. https://t.co/Z8JRiskTxY
— katherine (@katherineOma) September 4, 2020

by artappraiser on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 12:03am

More reactions:

Mark Hamill:

Further proof that not only is he a profoundly unworthy "president", he's also a truly loathsome human being in his own right.#HonorOurFallenPatriots https://t.co/56ocJctpO5
— Mark Hamill (@HamillHimself) September 4, 2020

"Radio Free Tom":

Further proof that not only is he a profoundly unworthy "president", he's also a truly loathsome human being in his own right.#HonorOurFallenPatriots https://t.co/56ocJctpO5
— Mark Hamill (@HamillHimself) September 4, 2020

Virginia Heffernan:

Cowardice is what landed the Trumps in the US to begin with. pic.twitter.com/cWGpEsTNdN
— Virginia Heffernan (@page88) September 4, 2020

"once a soldier", now in international relations:

My phone is blowing up. Academy classmates, old Army friends, former Soldiers, colleagues. The anger, sadness, raw rage is palpable. At what was said, but more so to all those who excused it and wished it away. Every wound of each and every loss is open and raw again.
— Mike Jason (@mikejason73) September 3, 2020

another international relations expert, this one also Obama Admin, Senate Intel, US-UN, State Dept.:

Photo taken at 1:24 pm on Nov. 10, 2018. Weather exactly as it appears in the photo. Even if one didn’t want to “risk” travel to the Ainse-Marne Cemetery, another American (World War I) cemetery - Suresnes - is only a 24-minute drive away. https://t.co/oLYNSrwOEc pic.twitter.com/8WOMrRY7Ep
— Eric Pelofsky (@EPelofsky) September 4, 2020

Remember when Trump refused to fly the flag at federal buildings at half staff until McCain’s interment? Until he relented, there was a period when Capitol flags (controlled by Congress) were at half-staff and the one at the Supreme Court - across the street - at full staff.
— Patricia Zengerle (@ReutersZengerle) September 4, 2020

Mr President: Being POTUS didn’t make these men WINNERS, loving their country did - something you’ll NEVER know anything about @RVAT2020 @ProjectLincoln @43Biden @RepsForBiden @Timodc @madrid_mike @BillKristol @SarahLongwell25 pic.twitter.com/GDF08cL7aS
— USED TO BE G.O.P. (@Used_To_Be_GOP) September 3, 2020

Bill Kristol retweeted these 3 tweets less than an hour ago

At the heart of @realDonaldTrump statement is a lack of respect for those who have served - a disqualifying characteristic to be president
— Lindsey Graham (@LindseyGrahamSC) July 18, 2015

“He lost. I never liked him as much after that. ‘Cause I don’t like losers.” pic.twitter.com/M3tQfSWHPR
— Helen Kennedy (@HelenKennedy) September 4, 2020

Via @fitsnews: “Donald Trump: John McCain Is ‘A Loser’” http://t.co/sgiETvdUqi
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 18, 2015

by artappraiser on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 12:37am

The @AP just confirmed the whole thing. https://t.co/xTTSk5g6oB
— howardfineman (@howardfineman) September 4, 2020

Update: a second source, specifically a senior U.S. Marine Corps officer with knowledge of President @realDonaldTrump comments confirmed the @TheAtlantic story. Here’s my copy at the @AP https://t.co/Qmq3EFxRZQ https://t.co/7o6a6a4AiO
— James LaPorta (@JimLaPorta) September 4, 2020

by artappraiser on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 12:40am

Trump Defenders Suggest Blockbuster Report of Trump Insulting War Dead Will be Retracted — But Then AP Reporter Confirms It https://t.co/LO65xnG8KL via @mediaite
— Sarah Rumpf (@rumpfshaker) September 4, 2020

by artappraiser on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 12:41am

On Memorial Day 2017, Trump visited Arlington's Section 60 with John Kelly. That's where Kelly's son is buried. According to sources with knowledge, Trump, while standing by Robert Kelly's grave, turned directly to his father and said, "I don't get it. What was in it for them?" https://t.co/DJIaH8zLLf
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) September 3, 2020

Journalism question: Can you be an "unnamed source" in a story and also "decline to comment" on the record in the same story? Asking for John Kelly. pic.twitter.com/9oKmI3ktOC
— Krister Johnson (@KristerJohnson) September 4, 2020

Let’s see if John Kelly denies the story or not tomorrow. I’d be surprised if he isn’t the source of the story about what Trump said about his son.
— DurhamBullPen (@DurhamBullPen) September 4, 2020

Mattis is obviously one of the sources. Slam dunk on that. Fuentes was at Arlington National Cemetery when they visited Robert Kelly’s grave. John Kelly, probably, but the story goes our on the way to say Kelly wouldn’t comment. But his WIFE was there also...
— Mark Coffey (@txsinatrafan) September 4, 2020

by artappraiser on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 12:58am

this reply (retweeted by someone I follow) has been sent directly to Trump on twitter, I imagine there are plenty more like it:

@realDonaldTrump, My uncle is an American hero. He was killed knocking out a Nazi machine gun nest at the Battle of the Bulge. He was awarded the Silver Star + is buried at the American Cemetery in Holland. You called him + all our military, LOSERS. You are a despicable lowlife! pic.twitter.com/jMOHUV6exe
— Warren Mason (@WarrenMason) September 4, 2020

by artappraiser on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 1:34am

He basically already said the kicker (imo the worst part after the John Kelly thing) two years ago. This is who he is. https://t.co/ogHxANGtpw
— Chuck Aoki (@Aoki5Chuck) September 4, 2020

somewhat apropos of PP's "American Psycho" comment elsewhere

by artappraiser on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 4:00am

Jennifer Rubin:

No one ever suggests Trump resign. We should.
— Jennifer Rubin (@JRubinBlogger) September 4, 2020

by artappraiser on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 4:12am

Howard Dean:

My brother was captured in Laos in September of 1974 and executed by the North Vietnamese on December 14, 1974. Fuck you, Donald Trump.
— Howard Dean (@GovHowardDean) September 4, 2020

by artappraiser on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 3:03pm

wow, now that's what I call impactful protesting:

i would like to pay honor to LCpl. Todd Winn for his bravery to stand alone✊#WeRespectVets #DevilDog pic.twitter.com/FSdxAEKpcz
— the choice is this & only this: #AmericaORtrump (@WearADangMask) September 4, 2020

by artappraiser on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 3:09pm

I served under both a Republican and Democratic president and regardless of my personal political leanings, I never questioned the propriety of the President’s role as Commander In Chief... until now.#WeRespectVets pic.twitter.com/NymE6fmqNG
— Amber (@AmberD1116) September 4, 2020

by artappraiser on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 3:11pm

over 10,000 tweets:

#WeRespectVets is #1.

Share your photos of you or your family members who served.#WeRespectVets pic.twitter.com/5dp9PnAKqN
— The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) September 4, 2020

a selection of the above

Mia Farrow:

My nephew died in Iraq #WeRespectVets pic.twitter.com/TucPWkEgse
— Mia Farrow (@MiaFarrow) September 4, 2020

#werespectvets

Served in the 1st Ranger Battalion during the invasion of Grenada in 1983.

Reenlisted in 2000 after seeing the USS Cole bombing and went to Iraq with the 82d Airborne Division in 2003.

The entire Trump family are nothing but cowards. pic.twitter.com/2MeQ22FejD
— Eric Foltz (@EricFoltz) September 4, 2020

Too young to join his brothers in WW2, my father quit his job & willingly volunteered to serve in Korea. He & tens of thousands of fellow Nisei veterans heroically volunteered in WW2 & Korea even when exempt so losers with ‘bone spurs’ could shirk their duties. #WeRespectVets pic.twitter.com/my88FCHdGj
— (@kentmatsuoka) September 4, 2020

Dad on Dec 7 ‘41 was a Marine on Corregidor. So was a POW most of WW II. It wasn’t enough, he also fought in Korea & Vietnam. He passed in 2010, my Mom passed last year. They are both in Arlington. Selfless Citizens & Parents. Something Trump would never understand #WeRespectVets pic.twitter.com/5FCcGOzBmV
— The Honorable Ron L Pitts (@RonLPitts) September 4, 2020

Corpsman Up! In 2004, I served as a Hospital Corpsman with the Marines in Iraq and now I'm an ER doctor on the frontlines of the pandemic. Trump calling dead soldiers "losers" & "suckers" is causing traumatic memories to surface in Veterans nationwide #WeRespectVets pic.twitter.com/lhO12mLep6
— Cleavon MD (@Cleavon_MD) September 4, 2020

Which one is the hero and which is the sucker? #WeRespectVets pic.twitter.com/cri5qae89w
— Jericho Armstrong (@JerichoArmstro1) September 4, 2020

#WeRespectVets
Our Marine, our , our pride. https://t.co/fwJ72whCBD pic.twitter.com/3iUWJsUhLq
— RBGfan (@americangirl194) September 4, 2020

My nephew, godson, EMT/paramedic, fire jumper and, now, Pvt. Patrick Wallin, medic-in-training, United States Army. Fort Jackson, SC. I asked him not to go until Trump is out of office. He wants to serve our country.
#WeRespectVets pic.twitter.com/CsfOe5QJhl
— SueVanProudDem (@ProudVan) September 4, 2020

by artappraiser on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 3:37pm

Thread

Fox News has confirmed parts of the Atlantic story. @JenGriffinFNC reports https://t.co/6KRiMmDVG2
— Yashar Ali (@yashar) September 4, 2020

by artappraiser on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 4:00pm

YUGE! ^^^^^

edit to add:

Worth noting that the Fox reporter in question, @JenGriffinFNC, is well-sourced, non-partisan & deeply respected by her colleagues in the Pentagon press corps. https://t.co/cIuS2oeZQc
— Mary Louise Kelly (@NPRKelly) September 4, 2020

by artappraiser on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 4:07pm

bias verification for me:

Trumpers watching that Fox news report confirming the Atlantic story pic.twitter.com/WyY19xTKHt
— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) September 4, 2020

by artappraiser on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 4:48pm

causing pile on, sources coming out of hiding:

Ex-DHS official says Trump tried to rescind order for half-staff flags for John McCain https://t.co/wRY1xIyQZY
— J. W. (@wolfjon4) September 4, 2020

by artappraiser on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 4:09pm

Ret. Maj. Gen. Eaton did a video response:

Read Jeff Goldberg’s article in The Atlantic. How could anyone support Trump? pic.twitter.com/xqfnklmCBq
— Major General (ret) Paul Eaton (@PaulDEaton52) September 4, 2020

by artappraiser on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 6:12pm

Ken White on the Sully Sullenberger statement:

Trump sure is losing a lot of people of character and service.

But hey, he’s still got Greg Gutfeld and Geraldo, and Jerry Falwell Jr., and, um, Chachi, and, and that Bingo guy what hates lemons. So he has that going for him, which is nice. https://t.co/9jslxs0icf
— SwearOnWhateverOrWhoeverHat (@Popehat) September 5, 2020

by artappraiser on Fri, 09/04/2020 - 11:44pm

More confirmation!

Trump believes troops who go missing in action are not worth finding: Former administration official https://t.co/JdqIuc6y5c
— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) September 5, 2020

Raw Story using an excerpt from this WaPo article today: Trump said U.S. soldiers injured and killed in war were ‘losers,’ magazine reports

By Colby Itkowitz, Alex Horton and Carol D. Leonnig, September 4, 2020 at 11:35 a.m. EDT

[....] A former senior administration official, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak candidly, confirmed to The Washington Post that the president frequently made disparaging comments about veterans and soldiers missing in action, referring to them at times as “losers.”

In one account, the president told senior advisers that he didn’t understand why the U.S. government placed such value on finding soldiers missing in action because they had performed poorly and gotten caught and deserved what they got, according to a person familiar with the discussion.

Trump believed people who served in the Vietnam War must be “losers” because they hadn’t gotten out of it, according to a person familiar with the comments. Trump also complained bitterly to then-Chief of Staff John F. Kelly that he didn’t understand why Kelly and others in the military treated McCain, who had been imprisoned and tortured during the Vietnam War, with such reverence. “Isn’t he kind of a loser?” Trump asked, according to the person familiar with Trump’s comments [....]

by artappraiser on Sat, 09/05/2020 - 12:15am

Mayor Pete on Fox News, retweeted by Anthony Scaramucci

If you're used to voting Republican, years from now your grandkids will ask what you did in this moment and you will have to tell them if you were a 'John McCain Republican' or 'Donald Trump Republican.'

You can't be both. The choice is yours. pic.twitter.com/q18qWHERYZ
— Pete Buttigieg (@PeteButtigieg) September 5, 2020

The Scaramouche also tweeted these along with retweeting other things:

Then you would lose “good money.” I put my name on things when I speak to press. https://t.co/tEnHg5EbT7
— Anthony Scaramucci (@Scaramucci) September 5, 2020

John Kelly is an American hero. He distinguished himself over four decades in the US Marine Corps. He is a gold star family member and someone I am proud to call a friend. Mr. Trump is one of the most reviled people on our planet today.
— Anthony Scaramucci (@Scaramucci) September 5, 2020

by artappraiser on Sat, 09/05/2020 - 12:20am

Trump attacks Fox News reporter after she backs up key details of Atlantic story https://t.co/x5wRc55t6T
— J. W. (@wolfjon4) September 5, 2020

by artappraiser on Sat, 09/05/2020 - 4:18pm

Nikki Haley tweets in support of Trump on topic and it's "trending":

Biden should take this down. All of us who worked with @realDonaldTrump witnessed the tremendous amount of love and respect he has for our military. He was determined to protect them. We had many conversations in NSC meetings about protecting them. #TakeItDown #MilitarySpouse https://t.co/aS8l94tuhi
— Nikki Haley (@NikkiHaley) September 5, 2020

by artappraiser on Sat, 09/05/2020 - 8:35pm

Haley is nationally recognized for removing the Confederate flag fro state grounds. Her supposed courage gave her a spotlight.

It is important to remember, Haley did not see removing the flag as important before the massacre at Mother Emanuel

All through her re-election campaign last year, she claimed the flag was just a symbol of Southern grit, and said it wasn’t a problem because no CEO ever complained about it. Well, apparently CEOs began weighing in, and the flag suddenly became a noose that was strangling the state’s business future. Just since Haley’s announcement, Walmart and Sears have announced they’ll no longer sell Confederate flag merchandise.

The presence of Priebus was the tell that Haley’s move was about politics. By what stretch of imagination did he belong on that stage, which was otherwise occupied by South Carolina leaders? Reportedly Haley invited him; but DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz received no such invitation. If the point was to be united and bipartisan, why was one party’s chair invited and the other's not?

https://www.salon.com/control/2015/06/23/no_i_won’t_praise_nikki_haley_it_shouldnt_have_taken_a_massacre_to_do_the_right_thing_on_the_confederate_flag/

(for some reason the entire link doesn't post)

Before she became a cult member, Haley said Trump was unqualified.

"During anxious times, it can be tempting to follow the siren call of the angriest voices," Haley said from the governor's residence in Columbia. "We must resist that temptation. No one who is willing to work hard, abide by our laws, and love our traditions should ever feel unwelcome in this country.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/17/politics/nikki-haley-donald-trump-south-carolina/index.html

by rmrd0000 on Sat, 09/05/2020 - 10:00pm

A video of Trump taking a whiz on a grave at Arlington would not lose him one vote with his core base. There would be viral requests from the base for him to do the same annointment for .....

by NCD on Sat, 09/05/2020 - 10:56pm

GOP Rep. Adam Kinzinger (Ill.) on Saturday defended Fox News reporter Jennifer Griffin after President Trump targeted the journalist on Twitter and called for her to be fired.... ~ TheHill.com. Sept. 5

She’s one of my favorite reporters. Fair and unafraid. https://t.co/dfieE7HqL4
— Adam Kinzinger (@RepKinzinger) September 5, 2020

by artappraiser on Sat, 09/05/2020 - 9:59pm

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Central Africa’s dinosaur regimes and the art of coup-...
Central Africa’s dinosaur regimes and the art of coup-proofing

submitted by artappraiser 11 months ago

"Both the AU and the intl community place more weight on whether elections are held than whether they are free and fair. Sanctions/expulsions occur when there is a coup but not necessarily when elections are rigged or if an “institutional coup” occurs." https://t.co/m9dNimJP0D
— Cameron Hudson (@_hudsonc) November 28, 2023

Read the article at https://africanarguments.org/2023/11/central-africas-dinosaur-regimes-and-the-art-of-coup-proofing/

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