MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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By John Wagner @ WashingtonPost.com, June 26
President Trump sought Tuesday to keep a spotlight on Rep. Maxine Waters, a veteran Democratic lawmaker whose call for aggressive protests of administration officials prompted rebukes from members of both parties.
In a morning tweet, Trump said that the California congresswoman is now “the face of the Democrats” and that Waters and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) make a “fine leadership team.”
“They should always stay together and lead the Democrats, who want Open Borders and Unlimited Crime, well into the future....and pick Crooked Hillary for Pres,” Trump wrote, referring to Hillary Clinton [....]
Trump’s campaign also made a mention of Waters later Tuesday in a fundraising email to supporters under the subject line “Harassment.” Trump’s tweet was an attempt to leverage more political advantage from a Los Angeles rally over the weekend at which Waters told supporters, “If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them!”
Her call for political harassment was criticized Monday by Republicans and Democrats, including Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.). [....]
Comments
The midterms are about where the country is headed. If Republicans remain in control of the House, it will mean that voters are comfortable with an authoritarian government. Maxine Waters bears no responsibility. We will document that we have to fear our fellow citizens.
Edit to add:
Trevor Noah pointed out that the people who are asking current activists to be civil like Martin Luther King Jr. conveniently forget that King was considered an agitator. Trump would be using King as the face of the Democrats.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trevor-noah-wow-racists-back-then-were-so-eloquent_us_5b3311b1e4b0cb56051d28aa
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/27/2018 - 9:03am
If Trump were using a 2018 King as the face of the Democrats, the Democrats would win. King didn't throw away votes and support with sloppy public presentation or rhetoric, and ill-considered and ill-advised approaches to confrontation.
Yes, to repeat, again, King was an agitator. He was a sharp, savvy, disciplined, effective agitator. He had a sense of who he might be able to influence, along with a hard-headed sense of what he could not change and what would get in the way of his efforts by muddying the message he sought to convey.
You keep trying to make this discussion about: some people have spine and others do not. Some people, the brave people, the people with integrity, are willing to confront. Others, those who are weak and cowardly, are not.
There may be some here who would react negatively to almost any sort of confrontation tactics, civil or not. I don't believe that is mostly what is at issue in this thread, though. Most of the discussion here seems to be about better and worse, more and less effective, ways to confront.
In quoted remarks by Corey Booker in the story you linked to in this thread http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393988-booker-ok-with-calling-out-tru...
I infer that his take is that if many take up Rep. Waters' call to harass--her word--Trump administration officials who are eating out, going to the movies, shopping, etc., this will be counter-productive to the chances of a favorable outcome in November. That assessment makes sense to me. I've not been a Corey Booker fan. But I don't think this statement--perhaps others suggest otherwise--means Corey Booker needs a spinal transplant. I think it means he is thinking clearly about this situation, what will help and what likely will not in November.
by AmericanDreamer on Wed, 06/27/2018 - 3:00pm
In his time, King was considered much worse than Maxine Waters.
By the way, Maxine Waters is getting actual death threats.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/rep-maxine-waters-cancels-events-due-to-very-serious-death-threat/2018/06/28/b5aca1c0-7b1c-11e8-80be-6d32e182a3bc_story.html?utm_term=.03469f6f2c43
Edit to add:
William Barber said that Franklin Graham needed to stop lying and that Franklin Braham had been bought off
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/1/21/1734763/-Reverend-Dr-William-Barber-GOP-chooses-Whites-Only-platform-Trump-a-consistent-scum-bag
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 06/28/2018 - 11:09pm
link (note-the Casey Michael link has a twitter post, in which Ramos uses a picture of 2011 Gazette reporter Eric Hartley, who was involved reporting Ramos criminal harassment case. He wis with the Virginia Pilot now)
Jarrod Ramos
by NCD on Fri, 06/29/2018 - 12:03am
Let's not go there, NCD.
by barefooted on Thu, 06/28/2018 - 11:49pm
The President attacks the media, an apparent supporter murders media employees, the President's spokesman is asked about any connection with Trump's anti-media rhetoric, and he ignores the question.
Hate and lies have consequences. We need to go there.
by NCD on Fri, 06/29/2018 - 12:14am
No, we don't. It's far too early to say that "an apparent supporter" of Trump did this, what, because of his support of Trump? And as for the spokesman ignoring the question? I would have, too.
If this guy supported Democrats, but had some twisted vendetta against the paper, would you be as quick to opine?
by barefooted on Fri, 06/29/2018 - 12:20am
No Democratic President (or any Democrat in government) ever said reporters (or any group of Americans) are enemies of the people.
See below.
by NCD on Fri, 06/29/2018 - 12:43am
Be careful of declarative statements (especially parenthetical ones).
by barefooted on Fri, 06/29/2018 - 1:07am
BBC, February, 2017
by NCD on Fri, 06/29/2018 - 12:38am
And?
by barefooted on Fri, 06/29/2018 - 1:07am
“And?” Well, there’s this:
This guy did murder members of the press, and someone else is likely to do the same. “Enemies of the people” is powerful. It is horrible, and his salivating crowds love it. Do you see how these crowds treat the press at trump’s
kkkrallies? These are the same people who are told that Obama tried to take their guns away. And they believe it to their core.He has normalized hate and he has given permission for violence.
by CVille Dem on Fri, 06/29/2018 - 10:53am
Trump also advocated assault and violence against protesters at his rallies, told police they should smash suspects heads on cars, talked about personally shooting people on 5th avenue, used a word associated with vermin, "infesting us", to describe people seeking asylum, at his rally in Missouri said Democrats who don't applaud him act like traitors and international rights officials have declared that mass incarceration of infants and children by order of Trump is a crime.
He has condoned violence.
Politically incited violence has been a practice of fascists, to create designated scapegoats, and social coherence of the (mob) base of supporters.
by NCD on Fri, 06/29/2018 - 11:16am
All true, and yes, I've always seen. I'll leave it to Margaret Sullivan ...
by barefooted on Fri, 06/29/2018 - 3:40pm
Why would the BBC report Trump using the exact same rhetoric as tyrannical mass murderers of the last century?
Don't they know his worse trait, as you said recently is "sloppiness"?
Why woud an award winning reporter say rhetoric from a President could get somebody shot?
by NCD on Fri, 06/29/2018 - 11:12am
Waters issued a call for concerned citizens to harass Trump Administration officials.
King, following careful thought and consultation with concerned others, sought to, and did spur campaigns of disruption, with specific, thoughtful, publicly articulated demands/aims.
It is inevitable that when a public official calls upon concerned citizens to do something as broadly described as, in this case, purposely harass Trump Administration officials, that is going to be interpreted, and acted upon in a myriad of ways by those listening who choose to take some public action. Inevitably, opponents will seek to pin responsibility for actions they are critical of on that public official (or on the face of a targeted advocacy organization).
While someone in Waters' position cannot "control" what those listening to her take away from what she is saying, she has to know that opponents will make every effort to hold her selectively responsible for consequences deemed unfavorable to her efforts. She has to know that before she speaks, and take that into account before she decides whether to speak and if so, what to say.
So does that mean, therefore, don't say or do anything, because it might be misinterpreted and acted upon in ways that could create blowback and damage one's cause?
Of course not.
These same realities were true for, and fully known by, King.
But the campaigns he helped mobilize and participate in that involved acts of protest, and in some cases civil disobedience, were defined, focused, targeted to a particular, carefully chosen place. They were typically accompanied by vigorous efforts by King and action supporters to talk to fellow participants before the action to make it crystal clear that there was an expectation of nonviolent behavior, and to provide training in civil disobedience to those recruited to, or known to want to, engage in such acts where intentional civil disobedience was planned. And, in those campaigns, action was taken, deliberately, before the media and the wider public. That sort of transparency conveyed a powerful message that the protestors had nothing to hide. On the contrary, they were holding themselves fully accountable to the court of public opinion, and indeed insisted that that be the case, for their adversaries as well as for themselves.
Does that mean there were no actions taken by participants in King-led actions that were contrary to the spirit and intended MO of the organizers? Of course not. And where a minority of participants went over the line and engaged in, for example, acts of vandalism, as was true in one of the Memphis marches just before the end of his life, the criticism was merciless and the cause was set back.
There was, however, a deep underlying ethic of respect for adversaries' humanity underlying those efforts. And this over time built up at least something of a reservoir of good will to partially cushion the blows when a minority of participants in the deliberately non-violent campaigns would sometimes engage in problematic actions. Perceptions of what King-led actions were about were heavily contextualized by his public words and actions, and the actions of the vast majority of those who sacrificed and risked all to join in his efforts.
All of these strenuous, disciplined efforts cracked open, even if often only slightly, the window of receptivity to what the movement was about among a minority of whites, beyond the much smaller minority of whites who were active supporters and participants in the actions that were undertaken. To have positive impacts of the sort he was seeking, that needed to happen. He knew that. With a great deal of hard, brilliant, disciplined and focused work, restraint, and sheer courage, it did happen. Real, substantial progress was fought for and made. We are not where we need to be. But we are all much the better off for that.
Rep. Waters is in no position to help develop, plan and execute a specific, focused advocacy campaign like King did. That just isn't compatible with her day job, so to speak. But those of us who want to see successful--contributing towards, rather than working against, success in the November elections, in particular but "success" has additional dimensions--protest and advocacy over the recent developments can hope that these sorts of considerations are factored into her decisions (and those of others as well, of course) about what to say publicly, if she is going to speak publicly. And perhaps they were, and she simply reached a different conclusion from the one I hoped for. So it goes.
Actions have consequences. I don't by any means believe this was a disastrous mistake, if it was a mistake. We just move on and continue working to create the appealing narrative we want the voting public to embrace. I believe all of this is relevant now and it will be relevant after the elections as well, no matter the outcome.
by AmericanDreamer on Fri, 06/29/2018 - 10:46am
C’mon. King knew his protests would result in violence. He even used children.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/10/01/dont-criticize-black-lives-matter-for-provoking-violence-the-civil-rights-movement-did-too/?utm_term=.cc2e711d2ab3
8 clergymen told King that he was too aggressive.
Edit to add:
Here is a link to a NYT article noting that King would attempt to provoke violence as a tactic.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/29/opinion/civility-protest-civil-rights.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 06/29/2018 - 12:38pm
I don't know why you distort the points people are attempting to make with people who clearly know the history. Of course King attempted to provoke violence from police and the government but he also attempted and was largely successful in keeping his protesters totally non violent. When the protesters marched across Edmund Pettus bridge they had ample justification to fight back against the brutal onslaught from the police but they didn't. It was the horror the images of the brutal assault that turned public opinion and sympathy toward King and his movement.
I don't criticize BLM for provoking violence. I criticize them mostly for not having clear goals and a clear list of changes they want. Also even if it's not the core group of BLM protesters if many use the protests to break into stores, loot, and burn them down the protests will fail. Little girls in pigtails doesn't work if at the same time men are marching down main street smashing store windows and stealing the contents.
by ocean-kat on Thu, 07/05/2018 - 10:34pm