This is another example of your apocalyptic mindset. Technology created both solutions and problems. It made things better and worse. Leaders have solved problems and created them. You see only the problems created, but overall leaders and technology have made the world a better place. I don't have time to list all the details and changes but compare life today with life 100 or 200 or 300 years ago. Life expectancy, ease of life, comfort, equality and freedom have all increased.

30 years ago the peak oil crowd and the survivalists were right. Renewables could not replace fossil fuels. But the tech has improved, solar panel output has increased dramatically and while we'll eventually reach a point of diminishing returns most scientists in the field think  there are still improvements to come. You're stuck in the past with your armageddon philosophy.

Look I know I eat more meat than is healthy but I hate to cook and meat is easy. I wasn't suggesting everyone could or should live like I do. I was just responding to your erroneous idea that I am a consumer eating my seed stock etc.

I'm not a prepper. I think you're likely wrong about the "coming collapse." so what would I prep for? Like Obama with his "clinging to guns and religion" speech it appears you just don't understand what it's like to grow up in a rural community. I simply grew up in the country hiking around eating wild berries and nuts and as a child I got interested in edible wild plants. My dad bought me Stalking the Wild Asparagas by Gibbons and got me started. I went from edible wilds to botany and plant identification to medicinal wilds. Everybody hunted a bit where I grew up and none of them were preppers. Most everybody had a gun. I hunt a lot now simply because I'm in a position to do so. My job of the last 5 years has me a bit isolated but before that I lived in Gainesville FL. Life changes and I'm not tied to any path.

But you know, everyone doesn't have to live like me. The earth produces more than enough food for seven billion people. We discard vast quantities because food is so plentiful and cheap. Hunger is a problem of distribution and politics. It's another problem we could solve if we had the political will to do so. imo population is too large for what I consider a joyful existence and which is fair to the other species we share the planer with and I'd prefer we began to confront that problem before we exceed the carrying capacity of the earth. But right now we can easily and sustainably feed 7 billion people.

Ok, you got me. These posts were getting so long I exaggerated a bit. Kaida has a high quality dry food out constantly that she eats as much as she wants. Once a day i give her a bowl of meat. I try to get kidney or liver in regularly. Fish occasionally. I'd estimate 85% to 90% of her diet is meat. For brevity's sake I didn't get into the details. I should have said almost only meat. My bad.

If you start giving a dog sufficient daily quantities of meat you'll quickly learn how much they hate dry food. Dogs survive quite well on a mostly meat diet and are much happier. Kaida is 11 and has so much energy many people think she's a puppy. She's never had health problems and has only vomited twice in her life. I think she'll live to a healthy old age but if she loses a year or two she was much happier for the years she lived. I have that same attitude about myself. A few less years lived happily is better than less happiness and more years. That's why I don't deprive myself of creme filled chocolate topped eclairs.

I just said I eat a lot of meat, too much really.  I didn't say I didn't eat vegetables, beans,  grains, nuts, or fruit. When I lived with women we cooked together and I ate better. But I'm alone now and I hate to cook.

I think the seed vaults are great but less for apocalyptic reasons than for the loss of biodiversity. When I garden I always buy some heirloom seeds to support those who maintain that biodiversity. The apocalyptic scenario peter pushes isn't impossible but there are other scenarios and I just don't think apocalypse is that close or that likely. Who knows, a decade or two I might change my mind. Especially if republicans win the presidency or a democratic president can't make some serious progress on climate change.