Checkers and Wreckers at the Daytona 500

    to go along with the news of NASCAR banning use of the Confederate Flag today


    It wasn't just southern, though. And not just about race. This was related: a working class rebellion against "counter culture" elite college kids.

    The ‘Hard Hat Riot’ Was a Preview of Today’s Political Divisions

    Mayor Lindsay saw a country “virtually on the edge of a spiritual — and perhaps even a physical — breakdown.”

    photo caption: On May 8, 1970, construction workers violently disrupted a peaceful demonstration on Wall Street before marching to City Hall and Pace College. The event became known as the “Hard Hat Riot.”Credit...Neal Boenzi/The New York Times

    By Jefferson Cowie @, May 11

    This was something genuinely new, and raw. Even jaded viewers tuning in to the network news on May 8, 1970, must have been shocked to see helmeted construction workers waving enormous American flags and chanting “All the way, U.S.A.” as they tore through an antiwar demonstration in Manhattan’s financial district — all of it just days after four students had been shot dead by National Guardsmen during a peaceful protest at Kent State University in Ohio.

    Pummeling anyone in their way, the workers kicked and beat demonstrators, battering them with their hard hats. News cameras shakily recorded the workers as they stormed the steps of Federal Hall on Wall Street. One of the workers, upon reaching the top, delivered a vicious right hook to a demonstrator, dropping him to his knees, just below the statue of George Washington.

    As they jubilantly raised their flags over the crowd and burst into a chorus of “God Bless America,” the mass of workers seemed, from a distance, to have restaged the raising of the flag over Iwo Jima. “It damn near put a lump in your throat,” said Joe Kelly, an elevator builder who was working on the World Trade Center. Cliff Sloane, a student interviewed later that month by The New York Times, felt differently. “If this is what the class struggle is all about,” he said, “there’s something wrong somewhere.”

    Today, the chaotic scene looks like a harbinger of current divisions, which have only become deeper with the recent public health crisis and economic tailspin.

    Back then, it looked like proof of something John Lindsay, New York’s mayor, had said earlier that week: “The country is virtually on the edge of a spiritual — and perhaps even a physical — breakdown.”

    Lindsay’s remark came two days after the Kent State shootings, six days after President Richard M. Nixon’s announcement of the invasion of Cambodia and five years after the deployment of U.S. combat troops to Vietnam, where some 50,000 Americans had already been killed, with no end in sight. At home, there were racial uprisings in cities like Newark and Detroit, students occupied universities, women protested the Miss America pageant, and gay people fought with police at the Stonewall Inn. [....]

    want to plop these here too including the old graph on rapid change in attitudes towards gay marriage from this 2018 thread on rapid culture change (which is worth revisiting for comments as well)


    the lovely anti-Semitic undercurrent raised its head recently in anti-police protests in Paris, see this thread. Police reported the slurs, and they would, as police they are one and the same with the Israeli police state, mais non!.

    Can't copy it, but google "Hunter Thompson Wallace Daytona" for a great passage how Muskie spent 2 weeks campaigning on a "whistlestop" train only to have George Wallace shove him off the front page with a picture of Wallace chatting to Richard Petty in front of 98,000 Daytona 500 fans. 1 appearance in front of his base. Free. ( Fear And Loathing '72 )

    Bubba has his challenges, but kudos for playing the game. It's not just about finishing on top.

    Just interesting to delve into these young creatives talking about this

    18 years/24 seasons to get a Black Man - why was that so touch? Pretty sure there were blacks on The Dating Game back in the 70's. Make that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in 1967, Dionne Warwick 1969, Nipsey Russell sometime before 1970.

    One NASCAR driver is quitting because flags are no longer allowed

    A comment on Twitter


    Jun 11

    Ray Ciccarelli (0-31 in his career) has announced his retirement from NASCAR due to their decision to ban confederate flags. NASCAR is scrambling to find someone else to regularly finish 28th. It's no surprise. Ciccarelli has never been good at anything race-relate

    So? I don't get the point about bringing that up, neither in the context of culture change or institutional change. If it becomes a group, yes, but not one person's choice, that tells you zip in this context.

    And maybe he's just a crap driver but this gave him an irrelevant excuse to hang it up while saving face somehow.

    Now a saleable meme for the kids:

    gawd I could really use her now

    If you haven't checked in a while I've become like the statue story lady over at the other place-to the point of embarrassing obsession-as I find it all very interesting

    BUT the only one that I consider "perfect" for this thread it this one

    Dolly Parton statue may replace KKK leader monument in Tennessee

    A petition is gaining steam to honour the 'true Tennessee hero.'

    It's real, too.

    Runner up would be this one which I simply do not buy as an ideological action, this is no different than a panty raid or frat initiation. If you are a college student these days you gotta be there tearing down a statue or be square.

    Grant statue toppled today - idiots can't see an ally... even when he was largely the general who freed the slaves.
    But we knew this would get to nonsense sooner than later.

    With the cavael that I don't want to spend time on lots of discussion of the statue mania as I am deeply involved in that elsewhere, I would just like to make the point here that I do think that the anti-Columbus, Columbus as colonialist symbol that must come down, that particular one strikes me as something that could definitely affect the election. Italian-Americans are still somewhat tribal, not all assimilated, some still nurse a persecution complex, especially in like "Staten Island Republican" country and like: swings in Joisy, rust belt (Columbus, OH for example) You want a stereotype I'll give one everyone knows: Tony Soprano's family types.They might be thinking their vote for Trump was a mistake. But if they start to feel culturally threatened via symbolic attack on their symbolic guy, Columbus, I think they'll go with the racist.

    What I think the smart thing for Joe to do-cynically politically-is to support removal of Confederate symbols but make a hard stop and draw the line right there. Because carrying to further to the anti-colonialist movement (which is quite strong among the younger educated elites) is gonna hurt him precisely because it is still associated mostly with elite intellectualism and radical leftists. Looking forward to seeing how he addresses it

    (of note, perhaps an indicator of establishment Dem opinion-both Cuomo and DeBlasio drew the line at Columbus, but they are also lucky to have had to address this long ago, had an independent commission to study and recommend keeping Columbus as symbol, this is their CYA.)

    P.S. I will just throw in this one-is a thought provoker culture-wise, about public symbols, not every western culture has the same attitude, there is not such magic power seen in symbols, their tradition is rationality and order, not to mention what happens when society loses those qualities...

    "But if they start to feel culturally threatened via symbolic attack on their symbolic guy, Columbus, I think they'll go with the racist."

    Funny thing about all this statue mania is the Italian Americans see this as anti-Italian racism. 

    Leif Ericsson beat his wife and left trash on the beach in Vinland. Rumored to have made fun of hairless natives as "lab bunnies" (not quite sure what labs he was referring to). Known to favor development of ICE boats over sails for North Atlantic marauding, affecting pollution and sea residue.

    Columbus was Catalonian (Colón). I've lived in Barcelona, speak Catalonian. You've got your statue, we've got ours - bottom of Las Ramblas. Italians have the Pope and that weird angled thing they couldn't put up straight. (And that nice fountain where Swedish girls come to také off their clothes, but they chained that off now, so I don't include it). Ever seen Italians venture out on the open ocean? Laughable. Bunch of Adriatic sunbathers.

    well, yeah, I saw very recent evidence. Spain, it appears, she is not so upset about that Catalonian/sometimes Italian dude's statues but she sounds extremely unhappy about what happened to the statues of St. Junipero Serra and Cervantes in San Francisco and would like further discussion with Americans...

    Shouldve at least preserved his hair.

    Reminded of Comolá when everyone's forgetting names for things, so they put up post-its but soon forget what the post-its are for. (Yes, García-Márquez invented post-its in the 60's, just didnt have a physical implementation, screw you, 3M. And Romy.)

    After the end of the Revolutionary War, a mob destroyed much of a statue to George III. We still remember that war.

    Let's just knock down all status - who needs em?

    (i never realized people paid attention to most statues except Statue of Liberty or Columbus in Barcelona...)

    The vast majority don't give a fuck about any of these statues either for or against. Two fringe groups fighting over them and I and most don't care which side "wins."

    I would bet your type is the most common. Truth be told, even though public art advocates would disagree, few pay attention to public art BUT most architecture these days has more iconographic meaning to most people. Nearly everyone definitely has strong opinions about how they would like their environment to look. That's why murals and street paintings are the preferred choice of activists, because people actually notice them.

    As far as symbolic revolutionary actions, already back in the 70's, The Weathermen skipped over the statue phase and went straight for the military industrial complex.

    None of the statues of famous men I've seen in public parks ever moved me. To my uneducated eye they never seemed like good art let alone great art. I find it hard to care about them. I've seen sculptures in museums that moved me to some reaction, in other words they had an impact so  I noticed them. They drew me in to seeing them.  

    Though I've often admitted that my eye is uneducated and this analysis could be off. I can hear music with a lot of deep knowledge and sophistication but I look at art without really knowing what I'm seeing.

    Here's a brain teaser for you. Greece has long fought to get the "Elgin" marbles back from the British Museum to put back on the Parthenon where they came from. Many intelligentsia support this movement.  But at the same time that the Parthenon was built by the ancient Greek EMPIRE, mostly slave labor was used to quarry marble with which the Parthenon was built. Soooo: is it sort of a secret plot to get everything back together at the Parthenon site to blow it all up at once? It is a landmark of western civilization, after is the idea of a "nation state" owning stuff...

    Wasn't almost every major construction project a couple thousand years old built by slave labor? We're gonna have to spend so much time tearing stuff down we won't have any time to build anything new.

    Your post has no connection to removing statues of Confederate soldiers or replacing the names of traitorous Confederates from military bases.

    That's because the "tear down the statues" mania has gone waaaay beyond that worldwide. Don't worry, your side won on your myopic concerns about Reconstruction memes. You don't seem to realize it, but that's what this thread is about: when NASCAR banned the Confederate flag, you won. NASCAR is far more important than statues. Most of the military is with you on the bases. MOVE ON for chrissake, try to keep up, don't just keep hammering on the same things as if it's still 1965. I know you wish it was still 1965 and you could fight those old glamorous romantic fights, but they are history now.

    I hear Greeks are gonna run NASCAR next year for the first time.
    It'll be called "The Classic". Some concern about the Platonic Ideal,
    the slogan "Keep the Pedo to the Meto(nymy)" might not make it in final release,
    nor that thing they have for Asia Minors.

    Oh right they were pedophiles too, thanks for reminding me. cheeky

    Or pederasts - still not sure the difference. Afraid to Google (hi, FBI pals!!!)

    Well yeah they didn't have TV or YouTube, NASCAR, rap idols, Bachelor, nor American Idol winners.

    Hmmm, I notice most the article is based on that over the centuries people went around trying to find as many pieces and parts as they could of the statue and then did scholarly research on them and they are scattered allover various museums. So that the full story could be told. Oh wait maybe we don't have the full story because we don't have the full statue.

    Hey are we gonna resurrect doing the head on the spike thing too? The plan was to put the head on a spike for public display, as was done with the heads of common criminals at the time. Like: anybody caught teaching colonialist math at Oxford, we put head on spike at the gates.

    *pike* please - then we'll spike the punchbowl.

    ok thanks for the correction, not very scholarly of me!

    Feeling all grammar Nazi, jackbooted & ready to go.

    JUST IN | After 131 years, PepsiCo is retiring the controversial brand name and mascot, Aunt Jemima, acknowledging that the brand is based on a racial stereotype.

    — Adweek (@Adweek) June 17, 2020


    So Black cooks arent acceptable anymore? Young punks who barely know tough  grinding work vs older generations who were online 12 hours a day? Is it patronizing or they just feel ashamed?

    I very much appreciate the points you ar trying to make, PP. I didn't see that angle and now I do. The advertising and design people are going to rid working class images of blacks because of their association with slavery and the tied-in association of later only being allowed menial service or physical labor jobs after slavery. All people with black skin are going to be middle class or upper class.

    It's a big problem with the millennial protester zeitgeist. It's very naive socialism thinking nobody has to do the manual labor.The bigger mixed race gatherings of the protest movement are mostly college educated young people with time on their hands from lockdown. I'm running into them in my field complaining on Twitter what pigs the museum employers are, they demand this and that and won't treat them with the respect they deserve, they think a white collar job is a birthright, and especially is now a birthright if they are a woman or a person with colored skin. That the billionaires need to pony up more (no realization that there are only some 2,000 billionaires in the world and they don't all care about museums) there is a pandemic going on, no money coming in anywhere, essential and health workers ready to crack, highest unemployment since the Depression...there is this thinking that after the protests that everything is coming back except "the man" is now on his knees and will be begging to hire their brain.

    Got one guy (youngish white, happened to sell his one book on CA history well, so is real arrogant) basically complaining that all the museum boards are pigs who need to kick in more, that the curators and directors shouldn't be  in the position to try to get money from them but should be treated as professionals and paid better. But no, the taxpayers won't have to pay for it. All this charity from the 2,000 billionaires in the world is just going to falling from the sky.

    The further de-glorification of manual labor was going to happen with robots, I guess. But no one wants a robot doing their home health caretaking.

    Everyone's gotten used to cooking for themselves, though. As if were not a job. Good thing, as cash cow jobs with tips at restaurant and bars are probably never coming back the way they once were. Actually not coming back at all for quite some time. They're all fast food workers now, no charming the customer behind a mask.

    Products meanwhile just magically appear from a click, no workers will be glorified for making them and getting them to you.

    p.s. come to think of it,  I can't remember ever seeing a "Bernie bro" type ever try to glorify manual labor and service labor is basically below contempt? Basic minimum income is the answer, of course...still, what happens to those who can't do everyday basic things for themselves?

    You are in a bubble. The image of the black chef has moved from the subservient Ben and Jemima to Marcus Samuelson, etc. Samuelsson was preceded decades ago by black restauranteurs in places like New Orleans and New York who established their own businesses. Even celebrities have there own social media and books pushing their recipes. It is hard to keep up with the cookbooks written by black chefs covering classic soul food, healthy variations on soul food, Caribbean cuisine, African cuisine, African cuisine, etc. The black work ethic in the kitchen remains intact. Ben and Jemima simply don't reflect what is happening today.

    Sure, everything is woke "today". Hipster habitat. In heaven, they're eating fried plantanas, right? No one eats anything average no more.

    People eat regular things. There are are social media sites and podcasts that give tips and conversation for everyday meals.

    There were products that used black caricatures in the past. Those products went out of style.

    Ben, Jemima, and Cream of Wheat are being put out to pasture. They are relics. There is no great loss.

    The images are collateral damage caught up in a bigger discussion. There is no longer a justification for their existence. 

    Obviously original Aunt Jemima with headscarf is a caricature,
    especially with GWTW Mammy similarities.
    But tell me the caricature re: Uncle Ben.
    How is he significantly different from Paul Newman's Barbecue Sauce?
    How is he made fun of, to make him an offense to Blacks?
    Again, his character is based on a Chicago maitre d'. He's got class.
    So explain. The Statue of LIberty still inspires - not all relics have to be trashed.
    Explain the deal.

    I'll go slow

    There was an African American rice farmer known for the quality of race

    The black rice farmer was named Ben

    An white entrepreneur put Ben's name on the rice that the entrepreneur's company produced

    Ben never sold his rice to the company.

    Ben is just Ben. No last name

    The entrepreneur saw an African American maitre d'hotel named Frank Brown in Chicago

    The white entrepreneur used Brown's image without compensation on the rice.

    So, a rice product was created based on the reputation of a black man

    The image used to sell the rice was that of another black man.

    Neither black man was compensated.

    Wonderful. Now, aside from side issues of compensation, why Is he an offensive caricature? (PS - a lot of brand

     models are compensated poorly)

    David Pilgrim, founder of the Jim Crow Museum of Racist Memorabilia at Ferris State University, said that historically commercial images like Aunt Jemima and others reduced African-Americans to one-dimensional servants who were happy to be serving white people.

    The Aunt Jemima image ties into the history of portrayals of black women as “mammies,” while the “aunt” and “uncle” modifiers in that brand and in Uncle Ben’s products dismissed black people of their identities, he said.

    Obviously original Aunt Jemima with headscarf is a caricature, especially with GWTW Mammy similarities.
    But tell me the caricature re: Uncle Ben.

    So they didnt like calling him "Uncle" so had him taken out & shot. (figuratively)

    I'm not seeing a lot of dancing at your Revolution.

    BTW, "Uncle" in many cultures (including where I live) Is a warm polite term for an unknown male visitor or friend of the family, nicer than kids having to say "Mr. Peracles", I become "Uncle Perry" or just "Uncle", not "Sir". It can also be a divorced (or sometimes pre-divorce, wink wink) woman's new lover to introduce to the kids. Similarly for females with "Aunt". New woke folk may feel they're too modern for this "relic", archaic habit.

    Here may be the actual Uncle Ben, as presented on their website, known for his excellent rice, but now a source of embarrassment.

    "The Statue of LIberty still inspires"

    Perhaps some men who like their women barefoot and in the kitchen. Do I really have to explain how sexist it is that she's not wearing shoes? 

    Here's a smattering of quickly found more scintillating commentary on topic than we're getting here:

    You link to Red Nation Rising.

    You started the thread about Aunt Jemima.

    Edit to add:

    Now you make the brilliant observation that removing the logos will not end rascism

    Talk about whitesplaining

    That's right, I look at all kinds of opinion about CULTURAL issues,  A BROAD MIX, I don't CHERRY PICK to my preferences or tribe. I want to know what all kinds of people are thinking about whatever it is.

    You want to hear something even more "OMG! shocking: I actually have zero opinion on who should be pictured on those boxes!  It's all interesting.

    How about this for talking down to someone: It's called marketing, it's done to sell stuff, doh. If it hurts their sales, they'll change things or go broke, if it doesn't they'll keep on. It's got zero to do with politics.

    Here The Onion, just for you:

    Quaker Oats Replaces Historically Racist Aunt Jemima Mascot With Black Female Lawyer Who Enjoys Pancakes Sometimes

    — The Onion (@TheOnion) June 17, 2020

    I am so sick of your deadly serious comments about this stuff,and your inquisition like tactics trying to divine hidden motives about my interest in pancake boxes and NASCAR, alternating with splainin' about how serious it all is. Lighten up. Do jihad against whypipple elsewhere, puhleez. We are only less than half a dozen and we are older and less likely to change in the face of haranging and preaching. You take all the joy out of posting about this stuff.

    My comments were "Next Uncle Ben" followed by "Now on to Cream of Wheat". You went full attack mode.

    For chrissake popular chefs are cultural elites!!! Elites above other elites, actually, the powerful known to crawl for their attention, just to be able to get a seat in their restaurant or an autographed cookbook.

    I was talking about lauding the working class, in restaurant work, that would be cooks, line cooks and waitpersons

    And puhleez with the elite category too--once again you make a fool of yourself with the bubble accusations, my favorite current food/travel show is No Passport Required with Marcus Samuelsson.

    You'd really fare so much better here if you stopped with the condescending blacksplainin implying the others on Dag are all hicks that know nothing of American subcultures. You especially fall down when you imply everyone with black skin lives in the same subculture.

    You always do this nonsense implying that I speak for all blacks. The companies are removing or considering removing the images. I feel no sense of loss at the images leaving the packaging.

    You always take things over the top. This is why I don't take you seriously. You do seem to be a hick.


    Who's the chic woke Black Jamie Oliver face soon to grace glazed donuts, sugar pops and waffles packaging. America's got to get serious about breakfast. I suggest boycotting White Milk. Soy's just off-color enough. #BlackCerealMatters #EyesOnTheFreePrizeInside

    Whoa fuck! Ya think they'll notice almost everything is a stereotype about women - in the kitchen, tits out, can't drive, soccer moms, Karens, you have it?!?!!?
    Nope, not likely.
    At what point is the objectionable part about Aunt Jemima that she's an outdated character fixing food for able-bodied men, or that she's got an old-fashioned apron and used to have a scarf?

    So, Uncle Ben's Rice - but the picture of him is actually a Chicago maitre-d' - qué trendé.
    Why does that make his photo racist? Or just "Uncle" reminds people too much of Uncle Tom?

    Anyway, I thought Aunt Jemima had *already* upgraded their logo. But pretty sure *nothing's* going to fix the brand.

    this was trending on "black twitter" last night (where I saw that tictoc video retweeted a lot,) it was interesting that there were plenty of tweets upset about the whole thing, not like half, but plenty of them, along the lines of she's part of their childhood or whatevah. I forgot what hashtag, it was something like "Aunt Jemina Uncle Ben"

    I have Black friends who watched Partridge Family and Room 222. Everyone had bad haircuts and looked really geeky, but it's our shared awkward cultural kitsch, even between colors, just as every generation has. Had a discussion this morn whether white women would be maids in the South, and my guess (dont remember) is that it'd be considered by Whites in the 60s as culturally a step down, that theyd choroše other avenues when desperáty, but isnt it awful to dismiss those Black women who did what they had to to raise their families anyway? Should we hide how lower class Black women looked/dressed because now we're all Beyoncé chic?

    We all ate the same cereal and porridge. Poptarts? Check. We know how much Niacin they contained And what good additives. All over America, Black, White, Asians, whoever looked ať that Quaker Oats dude and never batted an eye - he's imprinted. Did he build a bridge? Molest his child? Save US from the British? Snooker some Native Americans? Found a University? Run a sweatshop? All of the above? One of life's mysteries.

    Interesting thread.  Thanks for the shout-out, Arta.

    One short thought about statues - if something created by man causes pain to a large portion of the population, it does not need to be.

    Another about NASCAR - what took so long?

    Oh, and ... rename the Washington team, already.


    Izadi has a lot more tweets with summary thoughts from her article but since each one I quote also has the same picture with it, gonna let those interested just go to the whole thread

    Meta note: the older version of Twitter let me quote tweets without the illustration but ever since them finally forcing the switch, can't find no availability to embed without media. I've found how to embed without quoting father tweets as well, but not without media. If anyone knows a simple way, would love the tip.

    I find if i edit an embedded Tweet post, the image doesnt show up anyway. Or just mangle the GIF/jpg/png URL in the embed code?

    NASCAR is truly no longer a home for the segregationists, that's proven over, a troll tried and it backfired:

    Several reactions. No, it's not over. Bubba Is a likeable guy - not a trash-talking fighter lijesay Charles Barkley. He's also a driver, not on the pitcrew or in the audience. He's a symbol as first to cross the color line, one to rally around, after big protests about acceptance. It's a perfect kumbaya moment, but we will see how well kumbaya lasts.

    Still, we see lots of rednecks & hillbillies & trailer trash & more upscale southern/rural people doing the right thing, marching fór civility. So Will we start to temper our words towards Southern whites a) if they vote 80% GOP b) if they vote 60% GOP? 

    As protesters take out statues of Churchill, Teddy Roosevelt, Cervantes, northern commanding general Ulysses S. Grant who defeated the Confederates, a Spanish monk in California territory who looked after the indigenous in contrast to typical Spanish cruelty in the Americas... how will our oerception of art, memorials and historical outrage evolve? (statues being quite different from flags, real people different than symbols)

    He's a symbol as first to cross the color line

    Except he is not the first, e.g.

    Wendell Oliver Scott (August 29, 1921 – December 23, 1990) was an American stock car racing driver. He was one of the first African-American drivers in NASCAR, and the first African-American to win a race in the Grand National Series, NASCAR's highest level.

    Achievements: First African-American in NASCAR; First African-American winner in the Grand National Series

    Awards: 1999 International Motorsports Hall of Fame inductee; 2015 NASCAR Hall of Fame inductee

    The film Greased Lightning, starring Richard Pryor as Scott, was loosely based on Scott's biography.

    From <>


    Good story. Shitty as this country can be, there seem to be 1000s of stories how someone who tries hard, thinks different makes it. Maybe a million how they fail, but the pyramid scheme keeps 'em lining up.

    Good simple point. For a reason I don't know because I don't understand sports-for-money enough

    There are 35 full-time drivers, along with 18 part-time & special/subs.
    Bubba is one of 35. So we're talking about a tight, tiny sport.
    Highly personal. It's a family.
    Plus they face death every race, so there's a bit more on the line, a bit more respect.
    And Bubba seems straight up a very nice guy. Doesn't come across pretentious at all,
    no axes to grind - someone can easily rally behind.
    A perfect combination from NASCAR's view - how to go modern with someone who deserves it.

    Oh the humanity! This trash offered as click bait (of which many undoubtedly partake or they wouldn't spend time creating it) in order to sell advertising, it begs the question: who is the slaver now, the NFL, the players, or the wives? Meet The Wives of NFL Biggest Stars.

    Damn that NASCAR, we can't let them git away with having the bigger audience, ask the ad people WTF we can do to one up them:

    to these whiners, we say so what, this is about mass audience share. And who said it was a national anthem, anyways, we are all about entertainment, watching grown men get their brains turned into mush over time, with the festivities introduced by whatever fucking tune plays well with our focus groups:



    TBI matters?


    — Puff the Magic Hater (@MsKellyMHayes) July 4, 2020

    Is very true: culture change is totally separate from political change, totally separate systems and operations.

    The flip side is important to see: you can not force culture change by law! You can make the law but the culture may not obey it if it is not ready.

    Culture change happens through pop culture, not law or politics. This is why the  Christian right has long seen "Hollywood" as an enemy, and why they will protest controversial public museum shows or theater acts. It's all about money, really, as is almost everything above on this thread, if the audience is there in sufficient numbers with cold hard cash to spend on the product, producers will change in a NY minute. Therefore boycotts also work, but only if they have sufficient mass to hurt profits.

    It is actually baked into our Constitution--the judiciary is there to protect minorities who otherwise would suffer if judged by popular standards.They can sue if they are being treated unfairly by the majority.

    from your favorite sociologists, Proctor & Gamble:

    Link to the 2+hour #TalkAboutBias video. Haven't watched it yet because 2+hours!!!

    More stereotypical Black women - why dont they dress less funny? Just perpetuating stereotypes of the 1800's.

    "Ain't I a Black Woman?"

    Hmm, I noticed that some players took both knees while others just took a knee. I'm wondering if this indicates only a half hearted commitment. We need to get the names of those who only took a knee and vigorously question them to get to the bottom of this controversy.

    National in red took 2 knees. Maybe they're the "red skinned" knees we've been hearing about.

    I would think arthritics are a legitimate identity group as are those who have been crippled by overuse of and addiction to steroids. Just sayin'

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