Obama's Man at AEI- Teacher Bonuses Waste of Funds (But OK for Crook$ on Wall Street)

    Do we need any more reason not to support the Obama administration?

    That's not the sound of fingernails being scratched across a slate blackboard. Its just Obama's own Secretary of Education speaking at the American Enterprise Institute (you know, the one that was the cheerleader for the Iraq War, the 'neocons' who still believe it all worked out peachy) railing against teacher pay. The fact that the American Enterprise Institute seems to support this subversion of educational standards would intuitively lead one to believe it must be a very bad idea.

    This from an administration now planning on spending hundreds of billions to fight the locals in Afghanistan for another 4,6, or more years, and thinks that money is well spent.

    The Obama administration's Arne Duncan speaking at the AEI said that the approximately $8.6 billion in bonuses paid to American teachers who have earned Masters Degrees is 'not worth it'. America has about 6.2 million teachers. If less than 1 out of 6 teachers have Masters the bonus would be about $8,600 dollars.

    Meanwhile on Wall Street in 2010, Goldman-Sachs has a bonus pool of $16 billion to pay out to about 32,000 employees, averaging out to about half a million per employee. But they deserve it, right?? Look at all the good they have done for the economy! Goldman-Sachs says they may even pay the bonuses early in case the tax rates go back up in January! How clever and greedy of them!

    If it were not for Obama's Secretary of the Treasury bloviating about Wall Street needing to tie pay to 'long term performance' the Christmas bonanza in our wonderful financial institutions might be even larger. Geithner demanded a 'new bonus system', in 2009, but....meet the new bonus, even bigger than the old bonus!

    Geithner/Obama and Bush/Paulsen both showered money on Wall Street to 'save the economy' and in doing so they did not mention the fact that apparently the pay on The Street has no known connection or correlation to anything good for this country.

    But teachers, who are in the trenches every day trying to educate children in this country where almost 1 in four children live in poverty, where class sizes are rising, they must justify every dollar they are paid. Why should teachers have any degrees at all if Masters Degrees make no difference? Why should they even be High School grads?

    The AEI must have salivated at the presentation by Obama's Education Secretary attacking education. They may have loved it almost as much as they enjoyed Dick Cheney talking about the success of the Iraq War in protecting America.

    One report mentioned the shocking truth that:

    .....more than 2 percent of total education spending in 13 states — Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Connecticut, Delaware, Kentucky, Minnesota, Nevada, New York, Ohio and South Carolina, plus Washington and Nebraska, where the dollars topped 3 percent — went to masters degree bonuses.

    Wow! 2%!

    The national total of teacher bonuses cost $1/2 billion a month, Obama just promised $3 billion to Israel in stealth fighter jets, so Israel stops building settlements FOR THREE MONTHS!  THAT is certainly 'worth it'.

    If teachers are not rewarded for the time, money and effort to advance their skills, perhaps they might not bother at all to continue their personal education.  Teacher bonuses and jobs can then be decided on the old system of work place politics, who the Principal likes, who is related to who, or on BS like standardized test scores.

    Obama and Arne Duncan, Secretary of Education.

    Obama and Arne Duncan

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    2%? incredible. I am losing touch with reality more and more every day.

    I did some post on the bonuses just at GS and discovered that they were paid quarterly before, during and after the crisis/bail-out. And during that four year period GS fired thousands upon thousands of employees with some explanation about down-sizing due to the financial crisis.

    And what the frick are the dems doing at AEI which is only a front for distributing repub propaganda?


    The Republicans have five hundred people with one single message to the public--Obama created the deficit. Obama has five hundred people with five hundred messages.


    What is Arne doing at AEI? He is kissing the ass of those neocon sociopath nation wreckers, who when they are not applauding the perpetrators of crimes against humanity, are planning less notable ways to wreck and disgrace our country.

    It is a stark fact that bonuses for a double dealing economy robbing nightmare bunch of fraudulent paper pushing sleaze bag bankers rescued from their malfeasance by taxpayers just two years ago, at just ONE Wall Street firm get paid bonuses worth over two and a half times all the bonuses paid to all the teachers in the nation, and low and behold our 'liberal' in the White House thinks the teachers pay is 'wasted' and cutting their pay is a big step forward in getting our fiscal house in order and improving education!

    I know our education system needs improvement, but I have known people with advanced degrees and I have known people no degrees, and although what exactly makes a great educator is difficult to create or measure, those with more education cannot be tossed on the rubbish heap because a gang of right wing economists at AEI say 'they aren't worth it'.


    I wish I had an even passable memory, NCD, but I don't, so I can't relate much of what I learned a few months ago about what Arne is doing to gut public education.  I read online for a good part of a day, following link after link about his moves (prompted by the always-lauded-by-America) Bill Gates to 'transform' public schools using the best business models possible.  These models, of course, include massive expansion of Charter Schools, allegedly aided by corporate funding, which somehow ends boomeranging back onto taxpayers after start-ups.  Wish I could remember how it worked, and the huge downsides.

    It may have been Gates who originally called not only to end bonuses for teachers getting Masters degrees, but also for abandoning the notion of smaller class sizes, which is disgusting, at best.  It all seems to be about the privatization of schools; you know, where the private sector does it best: less cost for better results? 

    Imagine states and districts strapped for cash.  They will be eager to hand over some of the decision-making on budget to folks who have been 'successful' in the business community, i.e., Gates and pals.  I understand why there are some 350,000 kids on waiting lists for charter schools: some schools are crappy, and it may not all be due to under-funding per pupil, and there's plenty of room for improvement.  but Arne's Race to the Top seems to be NCLB on steroids, only with more corporate influence.  And the more money you drain out of the system for those new pet schools, it seems like less cash and will to change/reform other schools will be. 

    Sorry for just dislocated, stream-of-consciousness rambling; here's at least one page I found trying to re-create some of the reading I did.

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9594965

    (Arne was a terrible choice for Secretary of Education, IMO.  Have you ever heard him speak???  I watched him and one of his deputies on C-SPAN for an hour one evening; better than Sominex or Lunesta...)


    Right. Take as much money out of the public school system as possible. Makes sense. My daughter diligently worked on a master's degree to improve her mastery of her subject--in this case Spanish--only to find out that the schools were hiring less experienced teachers because they were'nt required to pay them as much and funds were tight. My daughter is now working in retail.


    Read, though, Oxy.  Please don't trust my crap memory.  Here's some of what Diane Ravitch has to say about Arne's Race to the Bottom: The Carrot That Feels Like a Stick:

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7389364

    I'm concerned too, that since in Colorado (which per pupil funding is near the bottom of the states) state funding for education is based on mill levies on property, what effects the mortgage fraud and lack of wet-ink registrations will have.  During the bubble our taxes doubled, but they may not want to take current prices on housing sales to set their valuations.  What a mess; some people have speculated that wet-ink deed owners will pay an even larger share of the tax burden. 

    There have been two attempts to switch the Colorado lottery from paying for the Great Outdoors Colorado program to funding schools.  Bad form.  Lotteries for schools.  Don't know how school funding works in other states...

    And how sad for your daughter and others like her.


    Good link stardust, thanks. After reading them, I wonder, why anyone would want to start a career in teaching in America when wealthy individuals and corporations with the ear of gov't talk about teachers as 'widgets', and say they intend to destroy public schools to make them better, while privatizing them to suck billions in profits? Talk about uncertainty!

    Gates has taken on some great endeavors but he may be better at garnering action and expertise in fields other than education, which I have to believe has something to do with making money for Microsoft as the Windows operating system and desktop computers fade in importance.

    I think a big part of the education problem is families with both parents holding jobs and no time to help their kids, and children (1 in 4 in US) living in poverty, who are not expected to achieve. Also, our experience with our local schools is the few and the best teachers seem to have retired or been beamed to other planets, and the Principals change yearly.

    I don't see how anyone can question that smaller class sizes promote better learning.

    As to private schools, the Republicans love to contract gov't work out to the private sector (schools, wars, prisons, security etc) so they can get campaign contribution kick backs-its easy to game the system with political patronage, by getting the (gov't) money back from the private company CEO who is dependent on continued taxpayer funds.


    I read the NYT piece

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/19/us/19gates.html

    in the print edition on Friday and the situation is indeed confusing that they are saying the same thing, because it reports Gates was saying those things in a invited speech to the national convention of school state superintendents. But reading it over more carefully now I see it says

    Secretary of Education Arne Duncan delivered his own speech in Washington this week, titled “Bang for the Buck in Schooling,” in which he made arguments similar to those of Mr. Gates.

    Still, if also says

    Mr. Gates accepted an invitation to speak to the council, he said in an interview, because many of the key decisions in America’s decentralized education system are made by state superintendents and local school boards.

    “These are the leaders,” he said.

    Steven Paine, the West Virginia superintendent who is the council’s president, said the group invited Mr. Gates because “he has a perspective that we need to consider.”

    It looks to me that it could be a case of serendipity, that Gates and Duncan have talked to each other about these points and agree on them, but no real plot to say the same thing, no in cahoots with the Obama administration? After all, the state education budget problem is a big one in the field and a related convention is going on.

    Also, part of the reason I suspect this is that to me Gates always seems to stay away from saying anything about national or macro government anywhere in the world, his approach is like "what can we do when government isn't getting it done?" I.E. he never goes into "if Africa would just fix its government corruption, there'd be clean water," his general approach is doing an end run around politics, get what I am saying?  So it may indeed be originally coming from Gates, but only because Duncan liked it? (or vice versa, whatever.)

    I took Gates' advice to the superintendents as described in the NYT article, reading it without knowing Duncan was saying the same thing: while confronting this problem, use it as an opportunity to restructure your systems so when the money comes back in you can be using it to better results. It avoided the idea of changing the Federal government or working on politics to get more funding, It was a businessman's approach of dealing wiith the practicalities as they are. I suspect he's just not coming at it from the same angle as Duncan.


    P.S. I think one mistake being made by some on this thread is not recognizing that

    "Good teachers should be paid more"

    and

    "All teachers should be paid more"

    and

    "Teachers who get Masters Degrees in Education should be paid more than other teachers"

    are three separate and different arguments.

    I will point just one complicating factor I have read about and also know about from relatives and friends in teaching jobs. There is controversy in the field itself about the quality of university Education Departments and what they teach. Example: If you want the best teacher for the autistic kids in your little district, it might not be one with a Master's Degree in Education, but a Master's Degree in something else. Or you know this guy who is a Jaime Escalante type wiz at getting kids interested in math, and you want him for your school, but he doesn't have a degree in Education--same for that former big band leader who is great with kids for your music teacher.

    As a college dropout who went on to do a few things, I suspect Bill Gates might be susceptible to negative arguments about the quality and usefulness of college Education curriculum. Just sayin'


    I think Arne was talking about K-12 education not college. 

    Until personal favoritism, nepotism, office politics, parent politics, cherry picking of students into certain teachers classes, and reliance on standardized testing which (as an example of their uselessness and ease in fudging/manipulating results) a former NYC teacher at one of stardusts links showed could be passed by guessing 'C' on every question, I would rely on the facts of a teacher's years of experience and education attained as a basic framework for pay, not necessarily the sole factor. Of course, 100%, or even 50%, of teachers in a school do not need masters degrees and should not be paid if they get one. The Arni/AEI article seemed to state that extra pay for masters degrees should be thrown out in total.

    I don't think privatizing our education system is going to be any more successful at increasing learning or achieving cost savings than our system of private medical care has been at keeping costs down and health outcomes up.

    Additionally, disruption and or abandonment of the long standing commitment to public education in the country, the specter of school closings and take overs by for-profit corporations, may seriously discourage those considering a career in this challenging field.


    Bob Somerby over at The Daily Howler does some great analysis of education issues mixed in with his posts on other issues. I really don't have time to try and summerize the many articles I've read but if you're interested check it out.

    I did do a quick search of the archives and found one of his better posts as a teaser for you.

    http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh100410.shtml


    Thanks for the link, interesting points including:

    “Finland, what’s your secret?” Duh. Finland is a middle-class nation whose children come from high-literacy backgrounds."

    Reminds me of a survey that said (?)% of American homes had more TeeVee's than books. I'll bet there are no neo-cons in Finland or Saddam getting War Presidents. It seems being so close to the commie Russians for so many years hasn't set the them back.


    It is interesting that the thread has turned against the people.  Obama received a lot of shit for telling people not just their kids in front of the television sets.  Now it seems people here are saying the problem may not be Arne and Obama but anti-intellectual populace.  If so, bravo.


    That's not what Somerby is saying in the link and not my intention in posting it. That's a simplistic rational just as its all the lousy teachers and the unions that enable them is a simplistic rational.

    We seem to do almost as well as Finland and better than many European nations in educating our white students but we seem to be failing badly in educating our black and hispanic students. Figuring out why that is would move us foward better than finding a scapegoat to blame.

    Some of the suggested reasons are its poverty both household and community poverty,  its a legacy of centuries of slavery when it was illegal to teach a slave to read, its a legacy of racism, its an immigrant population with children that are just learning english, it may be antiauthoritarian cultural patterns of an oppressed minority. It might be all those and/or many other reasons.

    Whatever the problems charter schools don't seem to solve them. A few do better than your average public schools, they're the ones you always hear about in media discussions. What doesn't get much play in the press is that some of the most successful charter schools have outside sources of income and spend more per child than the public schools and that most charter schools do about the same as average public schools and some do worse.


    Friedman had a column on education in yesterday's NY Times. Like a lot of people he cites the good results in Finland, but focuses on the high standards in hiring the teachers: "If you look at the countries leading the pack in the tests that measure these skills (like Finland and Denmark), one thing stands out: they insist that their teachers come from the top one-third of their college graduating classes." But even a casual glance at Finland shows another big difference from our system - smaller class size.

    How does its approach differ from other European countries? For one thing, students stay in the same school from the age of seven through to 16. They are not sorted into different groups or schools. Rather, students of different abilities and ages learn together, allowing high-achieving students to serve as positive models for less advanced classmates. Our education system is not characterised by tracking and streaming. Efforts are made to provide instruction for different learners according to their skills and interests. We believe that personal and encouraging feedback is an integral part of effective learning.

    In the 1990s, the Finnish system began to put more emphasis on individuality and freedom of choice. Schools got more freedom to include optional subjects in their curricula. Consequently, schools started to develop school-based syllabuses in collaboration with teachers, parents, and other stakeholders. The students' own interests and choices are taken into account at school when selecting content, teaching, and assessment methods. Textbooks and other learning materials encourage individualised learning.

    We believe that small class sizes are a prerequisite for effective learning. In Finland, the average class size for Finnish, mathematics, and science is 19 to 20 students. Smaller group sizes make it easier to ensure a peaceful work environment.

    Replacing some teachers is cheap and serves to weaken the unions. Charter schools do the same and are profitable (for someone). But hiring more teachers to reduce class size everywhere would actually cost money.


    If it were up to the GOP we would be teaching kids in dirt floor huts with sticks for pencils and the dirt for math calculations. I recall a GOP guy once mentioning on NPR that he knew a young man from South America who had learned in such an environment and now worked at a university - ergo - that is all you need to teach kids, dirt and sticks.

    I don't think for-profit McSchools are going to be a solution for the country as a whole, with our concentration of wealth at the top and due to the fact we lead the industrialized world in child poverty, and with the GOP pushing for more tax cuts for the rich while also seeking to make more cuts in education, the future for public education is not looking up.


    I'm not sure why you seem to believe that Democrats aren't getting on board the Arne Duncan train.  Friedman loves it!  Merit pay!  Teach to the tests!  Feh!


    Purrrrrr-fect; the Truth Will Out, Arne!  (Truth is, when I did a few years of substitute teaching, I finally started refusing 7th grade; being around those kids made me have Dark Thoughts, so I figured 'discretion...yada, yada...')   Innocent


    The Dems do seem to be looking a lot like the dirt and sticks Republicans, and the Onion article tells it like it like it is in DC ! Good one!


    Should we be pushing more money toward education?  Yes.  Have the Obama administration twice pushed emergency federal dollars to the schools in order to keep teachers in the classroom? Yes.  Is more money needed? Yes. But thanks to the past election we can probably bet we won't see it.  Thank you voters.

    Now lets look at what Arne was saying:

    So, what do I mean when I talk about transformational productivity reforms that can also boost student outcomes? Our K-12 system largely still adheres to the century-old, industrial-age factory model of education. A century ago, maybe it made sense to adopt seat-time requirements for graduation and pay teachers based on their educational credentials and seniority. Educators were right to fear the large class sizes that prevailed in many schools.

    But the factory model of education is the wrong model for the 21st century. Today, our schools must prepare all students for college and careers--and do far more to personalize instruction and employ the smart use of technology. Teachers cannot be interchangeable widgets. Yet the legacy of the factory model of schooling is that tens of billions of dollars are tied up in unproductive use of time and technology, in underused school buildings, in antiquated compensation systems, and in inefficient school finance systems.

    Rethinking policies around seat-time requirements, class size, compensating teachers based on their educational credentials, the use of technology in the classroom, inequitable school financing, the over placement of students in special education—almost all of these potentially transformative productivity gains are primarily state and local issues that have to be grappled with.

    These are tough issues. Rethinking the status quo, by definition, can be unsettling. But I know that these discussions will be taking place in the coming year in schools, in districts, in union headquarters, in statehouses, and the governor's mansion. The alternative is to simply end up doing less with less. That is fundamentally unacceptable.

    So I guess using the logic of this blog, since he said doing less with less is fundamentally unacceptable to this particular group of people than we should believe that doing less with less is acceptable.  Of course none of us want to do that. 

    Unfortunately in this country, there is a little the federal government can do. In fact there is little state legislators can do as the power is in school district by school district.  As someone who is involved in working with community programs that seek to increase the effeciency and effectiveness of providing services to families in poverty, the simple fact we have to cut a deal with each district is hugely time consuming.  If the superintendent is "too busy" to rethink how the schools can collaborate with the nonprofits in the community then the families in that district are out of luck.

    So not only does most of the funding comes from non-federal dollars, there is a basic roadblock thrown up to do anything innovative on a national level.  The fact is the fundamental models that are set up for funding schools is on state and local levels.  The reality as Arne points out is that they will have to do more with less, especially in these days when the people in all their glory don't want to be taxed. 

    So how do we deal with this?  Arne is providing a framework of approach.  One of these things is looking at performance based bonuses.  Since there isn't any causal link between an advance degree and student performance, he suggests maybe bonuses should be based on something else.  He does not suggest that bonues be thrown out altogether.  I should repeat that, but I won't. Just like bonues on wall street, the bonues in the public sector of education should be based on performance.

    Now how we measure performance, and by extension success, is whole another topic. 

    And let me say that I intensely concerned about the push for charter schools.  There are a number of charter schools that provide an excellent model of how schools can work with the community and do wonders.  But it has been co-opted by the wealthy interests to push model that sucks energy and resources from the public schools. 

    Now some more words from Arne

    I anticipate that a number of districts may be asked next year to weigh targeted class size increases against the loss of music, arts, and after-school programming. Those tough choices are local decisions. But it important that districts maintain a diverse and rich curriculum--and that they preserve the opportunities that make school exciting, fun, and engage young people in coming to school every day.

    Many high-performing education systems, especially in Asia, have substantially larger classes than the United States. According to OECD data, secondary school classes in South Korea average about 36 students. In Japan, it's 33 students per class. In the U.S., it's 25 students per class. In fact, teachers in Asia sometimes request larger class sizes because they think a broad distribution of students and skill levels can accelerate learning.

    We have to learn from high-performing school systems in other nations, including how to elevate the teaching profession and better support our neediest schools.

    The United States currently spends more per student than almost any nation in the world on education. Yet we are only one of three OECD nations—along with Turkey and Israel--that do not devote at least as much resources or more resources to schools with the greatest socioeconomic challenges. We must question our priorities and strategies if we are serious about closing achievement gaps.

    Again I have to ask: because of who he is speaking to, should we assume that the way to go is the opposite of maintaining "a diverse and rich curriculum--and that they preserve the opportunities that make school exciting, fun, and engage young people in coming to school every day"?  Should we wag our finger in digust at Arne for suggesting that we devote more resources schools with greatest socioeconomic challenges? 

    The education of our children is too important to twist it to fit some desired narrative against the current administration.


    Wow; you should apply for Robert Gibbs' job, though you might have to edit yourself a bit...


    so i can use you as a reference then?


    I will testify!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Wink


    I agree with Arne that there a lot of things we could learn from other countries, a whole lot, cutting pay for teachers with advanced degrees is not very high on that list.


    where is cutting teachers pay with advanced degree mentioned?  the issue is whether one gives bonues to those based on their degree or is the bonus based on performance.


    The day the chicken-shit administrators of most schools come up with a measure of 'performance' that cannot be influenced by all the bogus favoritism factors that I mentioned above, or by 'standardized testing' for unstandardized children,  is the day I'll abandon the belief that the seniority and education level of a teacher should come before 'performance' measures in determining teacher pay.


    What he said.   Innocent


    I'm not against including seniority and education level of a teacher into performance considerations, but aren't they also biased measures? In my experience, teachers with more seniority and more education were usually better teachers, but not always. I also agree emphatically that standardized testing by itself is a horrible idea, as teachers with less experience typically get stuck with worse students, thus skewing the results against them. Where I used to teach, we had a performance evaluation system that seemed quite reasonable. Of course, maybe it worked exactly because it wasn't tied to your pay (or rather, was very very loosely tied to your pay*). These performance reviews required having a senior teacher or administrator (at least one of each for different reviews through the year) come to your class and evaluate your teaching. I found that they often provided valuable feedback (more so from the senior teacher than from the administrator). The only problem with that system is that it required common sense, and hence was fallible. Eliminating common sense isn't the answer, though.

    In short, I support increased pay with seniority and education, but only if along with that comes the ability to get rid of bad teachers when they are identified, and the ability to reward exceptional teachers (beyond what their experience and education would suggest) when they are identified.

    *If you failed 3 or more performance reviews a year for three years in a row, your pay was frozen. In my opinion, if you failed 3 or more performance reviews in a year (let alone for three years in a row), you shouldn't be teaching.


    "In short, I support increased pay with seniority and education, but only if along with that comes the ability to get rid of bad teachers when they are identified,..."

    Yes, agreed.  I spoke above that teachers in our district never even had performance jackets in their files, so no trends could accumulate for them.  In our system, teachers evaluated the principal, and vice versa.  Guess how that worked out?  ;o)


    From oceankat's NYT link, an analysis of success of schools in poverty areas:

    When he tightened the definition of success to include only schools that had high scores in two subjects in two different grades over two different years, Harris could find only 23 high-poverty, high-minority schools in the Education Trust’s database, a long way down from 1,320....

    They offered an extended day and an extended year that provided KIPP students with about 60 percent more time in school than most public-school students.

    The 'success' measure of these schools in high poverty communities dropped by 98% with the same data when the requirement for success was expanded from 1 subject 1 grade 1 year, to 2 subjects 2 years, 2 grades. It shows performance and measures of success are easily manipulated.

    In my experience with public schools the administrators at the school level change every year or two. They try to survive long enough to go somewhere else, often to a district job where they don't have to deal with hundreds of kids, parents and scores of teachers. Many principals wind up as bean counting managers, counting kids, classes, teachers, budgets etc., the ones that know about education often don't have the time or the budget to put their knowledge into action. I note the school in the quote above had 60% more time in class for the students, what public school has the staff or budget to do that? In the article it also says the teachers had a higher level of advanced degrees.

    The best teachers are usually the more experienced ones, they have been around for many principals.  A good young teacher may leave the school for another profession with higher pay or status.  Of course, not all experienced ones are great, they may be not so great but the only ones left who didn't leave or retire. On administrator 'peformance' evals, I saw a superb teacher with a heavy Hispanic accent marked down, for the accent, even though the grade schoolers she taught understood her every word, and paid attention like troops in basic training because she knew every child's name and weaknesses/strengths and demanded they pay attention, respect classmates, and work hard. The evaluator never understood all that, although wiser heads prevailed, fortunately, the teacher was not let go. It's just an example of eval BS.


    I agree with pretty much everything you've written, but I want to point out that the existence of bad evaluations does not preclude the existence of good evaluations. Without some form of evaluation, how do we identify which teachers to get rid of, or less drastically, which teachers to devote extra time to? (I.e., in order to help them become better teachers, something that evaluations helped me with.) So, yes, we need to fix evaluations where they are broken, but we must not eliminate all evaluations because some are broken, right? (Just to be clear: I'm not saying that you're claiming otherwise.)

    I should also point out that the school I taught at was near-poverty level, if not below-poverty level, and it also happened to be the school I attended. When I was a student there it was majority white (and the income level of the students' parents was higher). As a teacher, it was majority minority. Some differences were undeniable (such as demographics), other differences might have been merely perceived, since I was a student primarily in advanced classes, and a teacher for all levels. What I saw in the advanced classes was not significantly different from what I remembered, but I also witnessed the racial and income-level stratification of advanced versus basic/remedial classes that has been much reported on. I was only able to withstand two years of the soul-sucking experience, so I have a lot of respect for those who manage to hang on for longer.


    Interesting article about how and how early poor children begin to fall behind wealthier children. By age three there is already a significant difference. Also some information about type and amount of effort it takes for schools to make up that achievement gap

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/26/magazine/26tough.html?pagewanted=2&_r=...

    There had, in fact, been evidence for a long time that poor children fell behind rich and middle-class children early, and stayed behind. But researchers had been unable to isolate the reasons for the divergence. Did rich parents have better genes? Did they value education more? Was it that rich parents bought more books and educational toys for their children? Was it because they were more likely to stay married than poor parents? Or was it that rich children ate more nutritious food? Moved less often? Watched less TV? Got more sleep? Without being able to identify the important factors and eliminate the irrelevant ones, there was no way even to begin to find a strategy to shrink the gap.

    Researchers began peering deep into American homes, studying up close the interactions between parents and children. The first scholars to emerge with a specific culprit in hand were Betty Hart and Todd R. Risley, child psychologists at the University of Kansas, who in 1995 published the results of an intensive research project on language acquisition. Ten years earlier, they recruited 42 families with newborn children in Kansas City, and for the following three years they visited each family once a month, recording absolutely everything that occurred between the child and the parent or parents. The researchers then transcribed each encounter and analyzed each child’s language development and each parent’s communication style. They found, first, that vocabulary growth differed sharply by class and that the gap between the classes opened early. By age 3, children whose parents were professionals had vocabularies of about 1,100 words, and children whose parents were on welfare had vocabularies of about 525 words. The children’s I.Q.’s correlated closely to their vocabularies. The average I.Q. among the professional children was 117, and the welfare children had an average I.Q. of 79.

    When Hart and Risley then addressed the question of just what caused those variations, the answer they arrived at was startling. By comparing the vocabulary scores with their observations of each child’s home life, they were able to conclude that the size of each child’s vocabulary correlated most closely to one simple factor: the number of words the parents spoke to the child. That varied greatly across the homes they visited, and again, it varied by class. In the professional homes, parents directed an average of 487 “utterances” — anything from a one-word command to a full soliloquy — to their children each hour. In welfare homes, the children heard 178 utterances per hour.

    What’s more, the kinds of words and statements that children heard varied by class. The most basic difference was in the number of “discouragements” a child heard — prohibitions and words of disapproval — compared with the number of encouragements, or words of praise and approval. By age 3, the average child of a professional heard about 500,000 encouragements and 80,000 discouragements. For the welfare children, the situation was reversed: they heard, on average, about 75,000 encouragements and 200,000 discouragements. Hart and Risley found that as the number of words a child heard increased, the complexity of that language increased as well. As conversation moved beyond simple instructions, it blossomed into discussions of the past and future, of feelings, of abstractions, of the way one thing causes another — all of which stimulated intellectual development.

    Hart and Risley showed that language exposure in early childhood correlated strongly with I.Q. and academic success later on in a child’s life. Hearing fewer words, and a lot of prohibitions and discouragements, had a negative effect on I.Q.; hearing lots of words, and more affirmations and complex sentences, had a positive effect on I.Q. The professional parents were giving their children an advantage with every word they spoke, and the advantage just kept building up.


    I sent 2 bright, eager to learn children to public school, was involved in their clases, and provided enrichment over and above what was offered at school. I was rewarded with children who learned that there was no point to working hard, when they could slide and get by, and who resented the extra I required, because the teacher said we don't need to do that. They both found school boring, and couldn't wait to get out. We had so many bizzare experiences with teachers you would think I was making them up.

    Additionally, my husband was on the school board for years, and we had numerous friends that were school teachers. The attitude of the teacher's union, and the individual teachers was never one of wanting what was best for the students, but rather looking out for themselves. I do not remember one proposal the unions made that would have a positive effect on the kids. Had we had the option of a private school, we would have taken it.

    Now I am encouraging my kids to send their children to private school, which, so far they are doing. We're just a few months into our 1st year, and so far I am very enthusiastic about the private school. The teacher is more responsive than all but one I encountered in all of our time in public school, the school's commitment to kindness is readily apparent, and the class sizes are fantastic (the kindergarten class has 10 students.)I may yet find something to complain about, but so far, I like what I am seeing.

    I wish public schools could be the same.  I suspect there is a combination of problems, but I highly resent the notion that teachers would teach better if they made more money, that they are entitled to a job for life even if they are no good at what they do, or that they resist merit pay because they think it would result in a popularity contest.

    As with most problems, this one has been left unresolved for so long the entire system has rotted, and finding a solution will be way too hard. It's easier to just keep pushing it off on the next generation to deal with. Who cares how many kids get lost in the process.

     


    There is no doubt public schools often do not give a crap about, or respect, individual students. I don't know how many times I have had to intervene over the years with teachers and principals. One principal in a big city school district here in Arizona was so out of line he was forced to send a letter of apology to us over his handling of case of grade school bullying of our daughter, and was let go a month later (likely due to more than our complaint).

    Some of the teachers think they can say anything and disrespect your kids because so many parents don't have the time or the knowledge of what goes on in class, and only a face to face visit with them/dept. supervisor/or principal will get them to lay off and stop saying the problems are all the students fault. I would certainly agree private schools may be a great alternative if you have one available that you and your kids like.


    NCD, I saw this comment at Huffpo under Arne Duncan's column about national-blogging-about-education day or some such.  Thought you might be interested:

    (Tim McCown   44 minutes ago (8:54 AM) )

    As a Special Education Teacher, Arne's reform is to sell our public system to those who wish to turn education into their private cash cow. None of the solutions posed so far are real bonafide solutions. First of all children are not products yet we educate them using a factory production model where everyone has the same books and reads the same material and then the high stakes test is more like a quality control device at the local Ford factory. We know children learn in at least seven different ways yet our education system teaches to only visual and auditory. We also need to depoliticize the curriculum. To many of the ideas conveyed are ideas that represent someone's ideological beliefs as opposed to material for careful consideration. Three years from now more than half of this years graduating class of teachers will no longer be in a classroom. Much of that is because we force teachers to teach only one way. Teachers teach seven different ways because we learned seven different ways as children ourselves. There is no room for creativity in the classroom. Behaviorism like Free market capitalism is dead. It doesn't work and free will is alive and well. Classroom management has become a series of bribes and consequences instead we should be creating curriculum that engages students and isn't based on teaching methods that made education even before the video age more like waterboarding than learning how to think. Creativity not Charter Schools is the answer.
    
    I'm sure the reason I liked it was because it ballasted some of my opinions, but he mentions seven learning styles; more than I knew about...  Innocent
     

    Thanks, nothing like advice from the front lines of education. I fear with the bean counting, talk of privatizing, and the lack of financial support, while the US shovels out bribes in cash ($100K, $1M?) to Pakistani shopkeepers masquerading as Taliban commanders, it may be that the 50% of teachers still left in education 3 years from now will have no respect for education, students or themselves.

    The GOP loves to privatize public services to create a cash flow back to themselves through political contributions from the contracting corporations, they have no more interest in improving education than they have in improving the economy, the government, the deficit, our infrastructure, or ending the perpetual wars they got us into under GWB.


    Privitization may be more bi-partisan than you think; Arne's a Dem, Race to the Top is the Democrats' baby now, and is well-funded.  Just sayin'.


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