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I'm happy enough. But you're telling me I need to respect a state because a good democrat just barely eked out a win against a pedophile who also attempted to rape a 17 year old. Our idea of what merits respect differs.

The nuance on that, NCD, is that while you might still be able to tar 65% of white Alabama women voters (in this election, we don't know how many stayed home out of disgust) as diehard GOP voters and possibly racists to boot, it does look like a lot of them couldn't stomach voting for Moore. And that was necessary help in defeating him:

Fifty-eight percent of Alabama women voted for the winner, Democrat Doug Jones, including 35 percent of white women, according to exit polling. While that latter figure might not sound like much, it’s more than twice the 16 percent of white Alabama women who voted for President Barack Obama in 2012, the last presidential race in which exit polling was conducted.

Outside a Montgomery polling place on Tuesday afternoon, Sandra Davis, a self-described independent, said she was tired of her state being the “laughingstock of the nation.”

“One reason,” she said, when asked why she voted for Jones: He’s “not Roy Moore.”

To get to the point where women could put him over the top in one of the most conservative states in the country, Jones needed everything to go right. Just 13 months ago, Donald Trump took 62 percent of the vote in Alabama.

But every factor lined up in Jones' favor [....]

from Jonathan Allen @ NBCNews.com, Dec. 13  "Alabama’s women wrote the verdict on Roy Moore." Would these women still vote for someone like Trump, was this just because of the special over the top extra added assholishness of Moore? That to my mind, is the real question. Because it looks like these votes were definitely needed to add to the results of GOTV effort as regards Dem faithful, blacks and black women, in order for Jones to win.

In the end, what it makes me think: I don't envy Doug Jones his job from now on. He's got to keep these people happy that voted for him as "not Roy Moore" as well as the ones who are his real supporters, or he is outta there next election. Looks to me like a GOP candidate who was not an out and out nut would have won, and what Jones does on his shift will decide whether Alabama turns quickly red again. He's still going to have the "vote moderate" problem most liberal bloggers like to scream and yell about as regards Congresspersons, I predict many "Doug Jones needs to get a spine" comments coming to a blog near you in the future.

no here's the loony "genius" plan, Stan, at least what it looks like to me, only one person needs to worry about getting re-elected here:

first tell the surrogates to tell the media that you never cared that much about the Alabama election anyhow

brag about winning the tax bill, even though nobody really knows what it does, much less you

then move on to pretending like you're an Independent again

Trump’s Infrastructure Plan Is Almost Done – and Already Dead: The president is betting that Democrats will vote for $200 billion in cuts to social programs for the sake of giving him a win

and maybe later next year,

Back to ZOMBIE-CARE!  working with zombie lame duck House Speaker and maybe Dems in districts where Obamacare is crashing because of the lack of mandate